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« Reply #50 on: June 06, 2013, 11:48:03 AM »

It seems like there is now a definite rift between the two camps. Mid tour, Brian said something  like he was done with solo albums and only wanted to do new BB albums. Al said they were going to finish the left over Radiio tracks for MIC.

Then Brian, Al, and David were "fired", and DBA are recording and touring on their own. And apparently, no new Radio tracks on the boxed set.

I am very curious about the terms of Mike's BB license. How bad is the riff between camps and will it go farther?
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« Reply #51 on: June 06, 2013, 11:50:52 AM »

I have all along said, "There will be a studio album."  Nothing more, nothing less.

OK, you did say that.  In the thread "Information on the next BB album," you said, simply, "there will be a new studio album in 2013."
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« Reply #52 on: June 06, 2013, 11:58:56 AM »

I'm just gonna say... DEAR GOD PLEASE DON'T LET JOE THOMAS f*** THIS UP!!!!!!!

with that being said, I'm pumped to hear BW and Jeff Beck!!

That is all.
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« Reply #53 on: June 06, 2013, 12:05:23 PM »

It seems like there is now a definite rift between the two camps. Mid tour, Brian said something  like he was done with solo albums and only wanted to do new BB albums. Al said they were going to finish the left over Radiio tracks for MIC.

Then Brian, Al, and David were "fired", and DBA are recording and touring on their own. And apparently, no new Radio tracks on the boxed set.

This is why even though I have tempered excitement for Brian's new solo record, I think what we've lost here collectively as a fanbase is far more than anything we'll gain.  I think there are a number of us who last year we ready for The Beach Boys to reform as a living, breathing entity in the world of pop music.  I think while many of us have enjoyed or continue to enjoy Brian Wilson's solo work it comes down to do you want to see Brian Wilson perform with a band that while extremely talented essentially apes The Beach Boys or do you want to see The Beach Boys with Brian Wilson as a member of the group?  To me to even ask such a question is ludicrous.

As for Brian Wilson's comments, we all know his comments change with the weather.  This time next year he could be onto something else but something to keep in mind is the man is seventy years old.  Now I know there are many pundits here who will point out many examples of artists who performed well into their eighties and beyond but realistically there are probably only so many years left that Brian, Al, Mike, Dave and Bruce have either individually or collectively as a recording and touring unit.  So I don't think it's unfair for Beach Boys fans to want to see the C50 lineup as often as they can before it no longer becomes realistically feasible for them to be a touring outfit.  So I can totally understand that perspective.

The thing is though aside from optimism on the part of certain fans on this forum, there has been literally nothing even remotely positive about the C50 lineup ever collaborating or performing together again since the C50 tour ended and I at least have accepted that.  Doesn't necessarily mean I'm happy about it but I'd be a fool to remain in a state of permanent denial.
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« Reply #54 on: June 06, 2013, 12:08:21 PM »

DEAR GOD PLEASE DON'T LET JOE THOMAS f*** THIS UP!!!!!!!


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« Reply #55 on: June 06, 2013, 12:16:47 PM »

All Brian albums get hyped like crazy. TLOS is the only one that has really held up to it over time. I have a wait and see attitude about anything, especially with JT aboard. I wish he'd use a less safe choice.
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« Reply #56 on: June 06, 2013, 12:17:50 PM »

It seems like there is now a definite rift between the two camps. Mid tour, Brian said something  like he was done with solo albums and only wanted to do new BB albums. Al said they were going to finish the left over Radiio tracks for MIC.

Then Brian, Al, and David were "fired", and DBA are recording and touring on their own. And apparently, no new Radio tracks on the boxed set.

This is why even though I have tempered excitement for Brian's new solo record, I think what we've lost here collectively as a fanbase is far more than anything we'll gain.  I think there are a number of us who last year we ready for The Beach Boys to reform as a living, breathing entity in the world of pop music.  I think while many of us have enjoyed or continue to enjoy Brian Wilson's solo work it comes down to do you want to see Brian Wilson perform with a band that while extremely talented essentially apes The Beach Boys or do you want to see The Beach Boys with Brian Wilson as a member of the group?  To me to even ask such a question is ludicrous.

As for Brian Wilson's comments, we all know his comments change with the weather.  This time next year he could be onto something else but something to keep in mind is the man is seventy years old.  Now I know there are many pundits here who will point out many examples of artists who performed well into their eighties and beyond but realistically there are probably only so many years left that Brian, Al, Mike, Dave and Bruce have either individually or collectively as a recording and touring unit.  So I don't think it's unfair for Beach Boys fans to want to see the C50 lineup as often as they can before it no longer becomes realistically feasible for them to be a touring outfit.  So I can totally understand that perspective.

The thing is though aside from optimism on the part of certain fans on this forum, there has been literally nothing even remotely positive about the C50 lineup ever collaborating or performing together again since the C50 tour ended and I at least have accepted that.  Doesn't necessarily mean I'm happy about it but I'd be a fool to remain in a state of permanent denial.

I would postulate that the only way the 5 are going to band together again is if Brian and Al get the license.  Mike would have to tour under his own name and that would be slim going financially.  Then it would only a matter of time for Mike to return, tail between his legs. And Bruce always follows Mike.

As for Brian's new album, Joe Thomas has a sound, the JTS. Expect nothing else.
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« Reply #57 on: June 06, 2013, 12:30:58 PM »

I'm just gonna say... DEAR GOD PLEASE DON'T LET JOE THOMAS f*** THIS UP!!!!!!!

with that being said, I'm pumped to hear BW and Jeff Beck!!

That is all.
Was it "Surf's Up?" that Jeff Beck did at the Brian tribute concert?  It was real nice. 

With Brian's often complicated chords/melodies, I hope he is given space to add his creativity.  Also, hope he's on the whole thing, not just a strange (and thus out of place) track like Clapton was on GIOMH.

Not too worried.  Sounds like he will be more "integrated"... but, we'll see.
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« Reply #58 on: June 06, 2013, 12:34:41 PM »

I think we all need to learn to be happy with the fact that we're getting some creative output, and patient enough to observe the proceedings from afar, which is where we're at.

To me a BW product is gold dust. A BBs product would be gold dust and we've just had that.

I dunno… one BBs album in 18 years, and suddenly some folks are acting like the sky's falling because they're not suddenly pumping them out annually.  Be thankful, I reckon, that we've had that and that the guys are still putting out product and performing live, in whatever entities.

Anyone here want to be working into their 70s?  We'll never have it this good again…
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« Reply #59 on: June 06, 2013, 12:36:20 PM »

Mike has an incredible ego and can't handle the adulation Brian receives constantly. Notice how in most of the interviews around the 50 Big Ones period, how Bruce, Al, David, and Brian would constantly go out of the way to specifically call Mike a genius, often when the questions were about Brian? How many times has Bruce said something like, when asked about his favorite Beach Boys songs, "Oh, probably 'California Girls'. Brian and Mike did a great job on that one. Brian had this wonderful arrangement and that great looping, kinda country & western bassline, but let's also take a moment to appreciate Mike's lyrics. What a genius that guy is with lyrics, sorta tying in all the different regions of the country into this great California dream. I love that record. I love it, and to this day, Brian is still upset with the vocals at the end. He thought we were behind the beat. Can you believe it?"

Or Brian, whenever he was asked about the reunion, says something like, "The fact that we can all sing, all harmonize still, really amazes me. And Mike still has lyrical genius, his way with words. I'm just knocked out, really knocked out."

People want to say Brian's demanding, but I think Mike is to in his own way.
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« Reply #60 on: June 06, 2013, 12:38:34 PM »

Let me offer you this alternate universe scenario:  The Beatles get back together circa mid 80s and record an album that is critically well received and backed by a successful tour.  The following year John Lennon begins work on a solo album, invites George Harrison and Ringo Starr along but not Paul McCartney.  I guarantee you Beatles fans would've been bummed about that too.
Well, in that scenario, I'd just be grateful that my favorite musician had survived the nightmare of Dec 8, 1980.

I mean, I'm pulling your leg a bit here, but as a Beatlefan, the loss of John just makes it so very hard for me to compare the two.  It would be like saying "Hey, if you could have had Carl and Dennis back last year for one final album and tour, wouldn't you be disappointed not to get even more?"  Meanwhile, all you can think is "I'd just be happy to see them alive, and anything else is gravy!"

That said, I do take your meaning, and well, yes, a part of me wishes it could be another full Beach Boys album coming our way, because those voices are just magical together, even today.  But I cannot pretend that I haven't been dying of curiosity and excitement over the Ocean Way photos every time a new one is released, and the welcome addition of Al and David make the prospects for the new Brian LP all the more enticing to me.

Concerning the album itself, I'm with Paulos, let's hear some more of the "Life Suite" tracks, please, Brian!  Al and David will be there to help lend their talents and hey, for all we know, there's the possibility that Mike and Bruce cut some vocals for these numbers last year, too.  Maybe we could see a few more of the suite numbers on Brian's new album, before the final pieces are released on Made in California or the (hopefully coming) next Beach Boys album, and then we can assemble all of the pieces ourselves?

What are the odds that Brian names this rock 'n' roll album "Pleasure Island"?  I mean, when the press release specifically mentions that Brian has "a rock & roll-driven album in mind," are we to surmise that this is the fabled project Brian has had in mind for so long, now, or something different?  I know Wilson said something to the effect of "no concept, just music" this time, but one cannot help but wonder.
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« Reply #61 on: June 06, 2013, 12:50:51 PM »

I'm just gonna say... DEAR GOD PLEASE DON'T LET JOE THOMAS f*** THIS UP!!!!!!!

with that being said, I'm pumped to hear BW and Jeff Beck!!

That is all.
Was it "Surf's Up?" that Jeff Beck did at the Brian tribute concert?  It was real nice. 

With Brian's often complicated chords/melodies, I hope he is given space to add his creativity.  Also, hope he's on the whole thing, not just a strange (and thus out of place) track like Clapton was on GIOMH.

Not too worried.  Sounds like he will be more "integrated"... but, we'll see.


Yes, it was at the MusiCares 2005 Person of the year award.

I'm not worried at all. Check out Jeff Beck's "Blow by Blow" album! Full of very complicated chords/melodies. Even if it's one track, Beck is way more versatile and experimental than Clapton, so I doubt it will sound so stock. Beck can do it all.. fusion, jazz, blues, rock and even BW compositions.

Here's the full Blow by Blow album http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdwzXnWa_x4
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« Reply #62 on: June 06, 2013, 01:07:43 PM »

Totally agree.

EC is absolutely capable of brilliantly succinct, clear, beautifully articulated guitar playing... but I see a guy like Beck going deeper and working with the artist/song more.  And hanging out before and afterwards.  It's often in during those times that musical spirits and ideas emerge and "gel."
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« Reply #63 on: June 06, 2013, 01:19:50 PM »

I think we all need to learn to be happy with the fact that we're getting some creative output, and patient enough to observe the proceedings from afar, which is where we're at.

To me a BW product is gold dust. A BBs product would be gold dust and we've just had that.

I dunno… one BBs album in 18 years, and suddenly some folks are acting like the sky's falling because they're not suddenly pumping them out annually.  Be thankful, I reckon, that we've had that and that the guys are still putting out product and performing live, in whatever entities.

Anyone here want to be working into their 70s?  We'll never have it this good again…

Well stated, John.
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« Reply #64 on: June 06, 2013, 01:27:32 PM »

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« Reply #65 on: June 06, 2013, 02:12:47 PM »

The most creative mind in modern music is making a new album. Am I excited. YES!
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« Reply #66 on: June 06, 2013, 02:36:39 PM »

I like this quote...

“I was really moved by the fans’ excitement about The Beach Boys’ album and tour last year,” says Wilson.  “It charged me up and my head was full of music - I just couldn’t wait to get back into the studio to let it out.”

I know he says that kind of stuff a lot... but it just feels sincere to me.

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C'mon, you really think he says any of the things that are attributed to him in press releases?

Anyone can do a latter day Brian Wilson quote and have it look like he said it. Just replace words that end in ng with n', throw in a "creative" here and there, and end it with love and mercy.
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« Reply #67 on: June 06, 2013, 02:38:05 PM »

We're used to getting BW albums on a pretty frequent basis for 25 years now. I find that breathtaking...  Shocked

When you step back and think about the whole story -- it's pretty amazing to think we're still getting new BW solo albums in 2013.  And thank God for that!  I remember when Imagination came out in 1998 -- thinking it would certainly be his last.  Or when '88 came out -- that would be his only!


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I also remember when Summer In Paradise was going to be THE LAST Beach Boys album.... Thankfully that's no longer a reality.
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« Reply #68 on: June 06, 2013, 03:08:24 PM »

I do this, in general, worries about Joe Thomas are misplaced. His work on TWGMTR (whatever his exact role) was far less obtrusive than his contributions to Imagination. The backing tracks were, generally, consistent with Brian's solo work of the previous decade. The vocals were far more massaged, yes, but generally listenable.

On this new album, as long as he's not trying to market Brian to an adult contemporary audience (the entire conceit behind Imagination), I suspect we'll get something decent. And as long as the vocals are allowed to breathe at least a little bit, I think we'll be fine.

Another interesting question: Who's doing backing vocals on this? Looks like Jeff and Al were doing some, but I wonder if we'll be returning to a wall-of-Brians on some tracks.
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« Reply #69 on: June 06, 2013, 03:41:28 PM »

I am very curious about the terms of Mike's BB license.

Same as it's been for the past decade and more, which in simple terms means Brian, Alan & Carl's estate each get a pretty penny every year for doing precisely squat.
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« Reply #70 on: June 06, 2013, 03:54:47 PM »

I am very curious about the terms of Mike's BB license.

Same as it's been for the past decade and more, which in simple terms means Brian, Alan & Carl's estate each get a pretty penny every year for doing precisely squat.
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« Reply #71 on: June 06, 2013, 03:57:15 PM »

damn i want a title and tracklist  Azn
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« Reply #72 on: June 06, 2013, 04:48:39 PM »

The most creative mind in modern music is making a new album. Am I excited. YES!

This! Big time
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« Reply #73 on: June 06, 2013, 05:06:05 PM »

Mid tour, Brian said something  like he was done with solo albums and only wanted to do new BB albums.


I remember reading that Al said something like that. Did Brian too? What and when did he?




All Brian albums get hyped like crazy. TLOS is the only one that has really held up to it over time.


I think "In the key of Disney" and the Gershwin album are at least as good. To me those three albums (TLOS, BWRG, ITKOD) are Brian's best solo work. And - a little off topic - TWGMTR fits into that as well, although it has more weak points than the other three imo.


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« Reply #74 on: June 06, 2013, 05:11:51 PM »

I am very curious about the terms of Mike's BB license.

Same as it's been for the past decade and more, which in simple terms means Brian, Alan & Carl's estate each get a pretty penny every year for doing precisely squat.
What is a pretty penny? I have never seen any numbers put out there. I know the C50 grossed in the millions and millions.

At what point do they have enough pretty pennies and control of the name becomes priority 1? Must have crossed Brian and Melinda's mind since Mike cut the cord. Just sayin?
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