Carl and Mike's relationship

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

You could say a big part of Mike's odd behavior is trying to live up to that reality without moving on like Brian somewhat did. Mike Love wants to go back to those times and just can't as time marches forward.

"Fun is in, it's no sin, it's that time again"!!!!

That, my friends, is timeless gospel 

[oldsurferdude]

I meant the would-be hit chasing with Kokomo clones and SIP along with the bizarre live show (cheerleaders, Billy H. rapping, etc.) that killed the image of the group.

Yesireebob! Cheerleaders, palm trees, turbans, flowing robes, sandals, costume jewelery, Kohohmoe, failing at being a Jagger clone but succeeding as a true wannabe and the unending obsession of thinking people want to hear fun in the sun crap till the end of time was mYke luHv's pathetic vision for a once great band.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

OSD, the "problem" is: boatloads, stadium-loads, Sea-Worldloads, areanloads, casinoloads of people around the world want to hear the fun-in-the-sun stuff! They always have and always will.....

[Sheriff John Stone]

You could say a big part of Mike's odd behavior is trying to live up to that reality without moving on like Brian somewhat did.

Brian Wilson has NOT moved on, at least not musically. If you think he has, then you haven't been following his solo career very closely. His solo albums and concerts couldn't sound much more Beach Boys-like.

[oldsurferdude]

OSD, the "problem" is: boatloads, stadium-loads, Sea-Worldloads, areanloads, casinoloads of people around the world want to hear the fun-in-the-sun stuff! They always have and always will.....

I just thank the stars that that I'm over that phase of the group, mYke luHv, and all his cheese infested baggage that he unloads in front of his record breaking crowds.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

OSD, the "problem" is: boatloads, stadium-loads, Sea-Worldloads, areanloads, casinoloads of people around the world want to hear the fun-in-the-sun stuff! They always have and always will.....

I just thank the stars that that I'm over that phase of the group, mYke luHv, and all his cheese infested baggage that he unloads in front of his record breaking crowds.

That's it OSD! You're next birthday is at Mike's Club Kokomo! Me and Smile Brian got the bill

[oldsurferdude]

You could say a big part of Mike's odd behavior is trying to live up to that reality without moving on like Brian somewhat did.

Brian Wilson has NOT moved on, at least not musically. If you think he has, then you haven't been following his solo career very closely. His solo albums and concerts couldn't sound much more Beach Boys-like.

WTF???Are you drinking?

[SMiLE Brian]

Even in 1965, Brian was using the BBs and the WC to make "pop symphonies" unlike the 1963 garage material. California girls, the quintessential "formula" song, features a complex backing track based off Bach. The progression with Pet Sounds through love you sound nothing like the early material.

As Brian ages, he likes to look back to his prime and makes new music using his BBs sound. While Mike threw away his talents developed on Wild Honey through Holland to relive the past. It can't be 1964 forever, Mike.

[SMiLE Brian]

OSD, the "problem" is: boatloads, stadium-loads, Sea-Worldloads, areanloads, casinoloads of people around the world want to hear the fun-in-the-sun stuff! They always have and always will.....

I just thank the stars that that I'm over that phase of the group, mYke luHv, and all his cheese infested baggage that he unloads in front of his record breaking crowds.

That's it OSD! You're next birthday is at Mike's Club Kokomo! Me and Smile Brian got the bill

I will join OSD in starting a bar fight with M&B...

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Even in 1965, Brian was using the BBs and the WC to make "pop symphonies" unlike the 1963 garage material. California girls, the quintessential "formula" song, features a complex backing track based off Bach. The progression with Pet Sounds through love you sound nothing like the early material.

As Brian ages, he likes to look back to his prime and makes new music using his BBs sound. While Mike threw away his talents developed on Wild Honey through Holland to relive the past. It can't be 1964 forever, Mike.

You should hurry and tell Mike this....

Living in the past has gotta be rough:

[SMiLE Brian]

God only knows what Mike Love would be without Viagra....

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

He'd be OSD..... 

J/K

[Shady]

Even in 1965, Brian was using the BBs and the WC to make "pop symphonies" unlike the 1963 garage material. California girls, the quintessential "formula" song, features a complex backing track based off Bach. The progression with Pet Sounds through love you sound nothing like the early material.

As Brian ages, he likes to look back to his prime and makes new music using his BBs sound. While Mike threw away his talents developed on Wild Honey through Holland to relive the past. It can't be 1964 forever, Mike.

You should hurry and tell Mike this....

Living in the past has gotta be rough:

I have a folder on my laptop called "It's easy being Mike". A few samples









It's easy being Bruce too



That is just a small sample of Mike's many conquests

[SMiLE Brian]

Meanwhile, Brian is in the studio working on hot new product....

[Shady]

Well Brian has Jeff for eye candy 

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Even in 1965, Brian was using the BBs and the WC to make "pop symphonies" unlike the 1963 garage material. California girls, the quintessential "formula" song, features a complex backing track based off Bach. The progression with Pet Sounds through love you sound nothing like the early material.

As Brian ages, he likes to look back to his prime and makes new music using his BBs sound. While Mike threw away his talents developed on Wild Honey through Holland to relive the past. It can't be 1964 forever, Mike.

You should hurry and tell Mike this....

Living in the past has gotta be rough:

I have a folder on my laptop called "It's easy being Mike". A few samples









It's easy being Bruce too



That is just a small sample of Mike's many conquests

Could that be Mike letting Bruce in on a little action there in the last pic??

.... The lovely blonde lasses in the tree is a sampling of some of his daughters, I think.

[guitarfool2002]

You could say a big part of Mike's odd behavior is trying to live up to that reality without moving on like Brian somewhat did.

Brian Wilson has NOT moved on, at least not musically. If you think he has, then you haven't been following his solo career very closely. His solo albums and concerts couldn't sound much more Beach Boys-like.

This is almost the same point which was ridiculed and eventually thrown out of court when Saul Zaentz sued John Fogerty for copyright infringement issues based around the song "The Old Man Down The Road" on Fogerty's solo album sounding too much like the old Creedence hit "Run Through The Jungle". The case led to Fogerty taking out a guitar in court and playing for the jury and the judge a demonstration of the tunes and the style called "swamp rock" that both songs shared.

Zaentz was suing Fogerty in part for sounding too much like himself, and for essentially stealing his own song and style from Zaentz's Fantasy-owned Creedence hit and putting it onto Fogerty's non-Zaentz-controlled solo album.

Which was and is patently ridiculous to take a case before a court under a pretense where someone sues an artist and writer for sounding too much like himself.

Should Fogerty have tried to sound like Marvin Hamlisch instead?   Should Brian?

And if Brian's original music may sound too much like the Beach Boys records, it would not be a surprise since this man's musical vision, musical mind, songwriting and arranging style, and overall musical muse is what created 99% of the music on those Beach Boys records which are most fondly remembered by the public.

[Nicko1234]

This is almost the same point which was ridiculed and eventually thrown out of court when Saul Zaentz sued John Fogerty for copyright infringement issues based around the song "The Old Man Down The Road" on Fogerty's solo album sounding too much like the old Creedence hit "Run Through The Jungle". The case led to Fogerty taking out a guitar in court and playing for the jury and the judge a demonstration of the tunes and the style called "swamp rock" that both songs shared.

Zaentz was suing Fogerty in part for sounding too much like himself, and for essentially stealing his own song and style from Zaentz's Fantasy-owned Creedence hit and putting it onto Fogerty's non-Zaentz-controlled solo album.

Which was and is patently ridiculous to take a case before a court under a pretense where someone sues an artist and writer for sounding too much like himself.

Should Fogerty have tried to sound like Marvin Hamlisch instead?   Should Brian?

And if Brian's original music may sound too much like the Beach Boys records, it would not be a surprise since this man's musical vision, musical mind, songwriting and arranging style, and overall musical muse is what created 99% of the music on those Beach Boys records which are most fondly remembered by the public.

I'm not sure there is much of a comparison.

It's interesting that since going solo both Al and Brian have gone back to that old Beach Boys image so often.

Al's solo career thus far has consisted of a song paid for by the PT Cruiser and a song and an album about California.

Brian's career has been much more varied but he has still gone back to the fun in the sun image very regularly right from Let's Go to Heaven in My Car. Things like South American, Sunshine, Desert Drive, Forever My Surfer Girl and Mexican Girl (obviously) all fit into the old Beach Boys cliches. The less said about the execrable Speed Turtle the better.

[Cabinessenceking]

I remember as kid that I was pretty depressed with SIP being the last BBs album at the time. The scary thing about the whole 1985-1998 period is Mike regrets none of it.

The man released "Santa's going to Kokomo" only a few years ago.

He regrets nothing.

Recording and releasing that piece of filth music is a statement which puts Myk Luhv in the highest echelon of tastelessness.

[Cabinessenceking]

I meant the would-be hit chasing with Kokomo clones and SIP along with the bizarre live show (cheerleaders, Billy H. rapping, etc.) that killed the image of the group.

But that's what bands do! Wasn't Heroes & Villains a hit chasing attempt/Good Vibrations clone in a way?

This must be a joke. ^^

[Micha]

God only knows what Mike Love would be without Viagra....

He'd be OSD..... 

J/K

To quote OSD on this:
 

[Micha]

The point about not being able to do another Holland is a very good one.

...

Apologies for a long and rambling post. In summary, I don't like what the Beach Boys became and I think a lot of it can be attributed to Mike, but I don't particularly blame him because all of the other Beach boys had the opportunity to create music and push the band in a different direction, but they either couldn't or didn't feel the need to do so. I'll still enjoy Carl's vocal on Kokomo and almost anything else he sang on and be grateful for the brief moments where the light of his beautiful voice still shone through cheese!

That post was a long but very good one. It's all down to taste, though. On Sunday I listened through Holland and was pretty bored. That's just not my music.  On the other hand, it's not unlistenable like parts of SIP.

I like to play BB songs on guitar at birthday parties. Last year someone who didn't know me actually asked for "Kokomo". Another woman was actually surprised this was the Beach Boys. They both were disappointed I couldn't play it. And I don't intend to learn it, even though there are definitely people out there who love the song. It fits their taste.

[Micha]

I think the 1985 album was Carl's last attempt to make the band contemporary. He seemed re-energized and committed to the band after the solo albums and tours - the group even put a few of Carl's solo songs into the shows. When the 1985 album didn't set the world on fire, Carl retreated. It was all Mike's group after that, even if Brian and Al were both allowed a token song on Still Cruisin'. I don't know what else Carl could've done, it was an uphill battle, and the record buyers sure seemed to prefer the retro stuff like Getcha Back to more contemporary sounding songs like It's Gettin' Late. Even Brian, with the music press pushing him as the genius of the group, couldn't get a hit album with his solo debut. The real shame is that the success of Kokomo didn't motivate the band to make one last great album. Landy was not gonna let Brian record with the group unless he was credited as producer and co-writer; Mike just thought the success of Kokomo meant he and Terry should write 12 Kokomo clones; and who knows what Carl and Al thought.

What do you have in mind when you say "allowed"? Mike Love saying "one song each, guys, that's it!"? I think they had to take what was there. And probably the album was handicapped by the usual quarreling, plus Landy. I may be wrong of course.

[guitarfool2002]

This is almost the same point which was ridiculed and eventually thrown out of court when Saul Zaentz sued John Fogerty for copyright infringement issues based around the song "The Old Man Down The Road" on Fogerty's solo album sounding too much like the old Creedence hit "Run Through The Jungle". The case led to Fogerty taking out a guitar in court and playing for the jury and the judge a demonstration of the tunes and the style called "swamp rock" that both songs shared.

Zaentz was suing Fogerty in part for sounding too much like himself, and for essentially stealing his own song and style from Zaentz's Fantasy-owned Creedence hit and putting it onto Fogerty's non-Zaentz-controlled solo album.

Which was and is patently ridiculous to take a case before a court under a pretense where someone sues an artist and writer for sounding too much like himself.

Should Fogerty have tried to sound like Marvin Hamlisch instead?   Should Brian?

And if Brian's original music may sound too much like the Beach Boys records, it would not be a surprise since this man's musical vision, musical mind, songwriting and arranging style, and overall musical muse is what created 99% of the music on those Beach Boys records which are most fondly remembered by the public.

I'm not sure there is much of a comparison.

It's interesting that since going solo both Al and Brian have gone back to that old Beach Boys image so often.

Al's solo career thus far has consisted of a song paid for by the PT Cruiser and a song and an album about California.

Brian's career has been much more varied but he has still gone back to the fun in the sun image very regularly right from Let's Go to Heaven in My Car. Things like South American, Sunshine, Desert Drive, Forever My Surfer Girl and Mexican Girl (obviously) all fit into the old Beach Boys cliches. The less said about the execrable Speed Turtle the better.

What?

It's exactly the same charge pointed at Brian on this page as was used to try to sue Fogerty for sounding like himself when a solo effort sounded like a song he wrote 15 years earlier for his band Creedence. The Fogerty case and charge got thrown out of court on its ass, as it should have been.

If you don't want to see the comparison, that's one thing, but it's the same basis for both points, only one was taken to court by a team of lawyers and the other was posted on a message board.

Case closed.

The original point wasn't about Al, it's not even an issue what his records sound like because he's not primarily known as a songwriter by the majority of the public and the original charge was that Brian's music was still sounding like Beach Boys records. Why even bring Al or his records into this discussion?

Am I the only one who thinks it's absurd to suggest Brian's music hasn't progressed because it still sounds like Beach Boys records?

The same guy wrote it! Naturally it would have the same traits, signatures, and quirks.

Again I ask, should Brian write songs that sound like Marvin Hamlisch instead?

End of story.

[guitarfool2002]

I like to play BB songs on guitar at birthday parties. Last year someone who didn't know me actually asked for "Kokomo". Another woman was actually surprised this was the Beach Boys. They both were disappointed I couldn't play it. And I don't intend to learn it, even though there are definitely people out there who love the song. It fits their taste.

At least they didn't request "Problem Child".