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[Iron Horse-Apples]

I wondered why those two Hawaiian guys I saw in town were doubled over with laughter outside the pie shop.

Like my wife, who's from South Africa couldn't believe we were driving around in a car called a Punta, which translates as c*nt in Afrikaans

[Iron Horse-Apples]

The pies probably do contain anus, along with eyeballs, feet, beaks etc.

I'm craving some cream tea right about now.

Yes, England does have some good food.

Pies just ain't one of them!

[SMiLE Brian]

I know the story, it really speaks to ML's character.

Me too, but I tend to be leery of any story that has a single source, which source being biased against the subject to boot.

Not really, Mike has a reputation and he lived up to it when met surfrider.

You were there ? You can confirm ?

Quit trying to pick a fight with me. How much does Mike and Bruce pay you?

[Mike's Beard]

I wondered why those two Hawaiian guys I saw in town were doubled over with laughter outside the pie shop.

And I wondered why the English tourist walked out of the Hawaiian pie shop with tears in his eyes.

English words that you should think twice about before speaking them in other countries.

Fag.
Pukka.
Punta.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Can I borrow your rubber?

Derailed? This thread is a train wreck

[oldsurferdude]

I know the story, it really speaks to ML's character.

Me too, but I tend to be leery of any story that has a single source, which source being biased against the subject to boot.

Not really, Mike has a reputation and he lived up to it when met surfrider.

You were there ? You can confirm ?

Quit trying to pick a fight with me. How much does Mike and Bruce pay you?

But that's what he does best, man. It's a childhood issue from which he can not escape, thus his petulant, insolate behavior on this and the other boards he posts on. When you study at the feet of mYke luHv this is what you get.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I wondered why those two Hawaiian guys I saw in town were doubled over with laughter outside the pie shop.

And I wondered why the English tourist walked out of the Hawaiian pie shop with tears in his eyes.

English words that you should think twice about before speaking them in other countries.

Fag.
Pukka.
Punta.

And when in England Yanks need to be careful in holding up fingers to order two pints.

Only pies you'll find in Hawaii are  the sweet round ones. Now Malasadas, oh yeah.

[Nicko1234]

I'm so glad I'm not one of the admin on this board...

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I'm so glad I'm not one of the admin on this board...

Most threads always break down. We don't have any info as to what Brian is really up to. Those that know who are on the board won't tell us.

Besides, Brian is in Vegas at Camp. Maybe we will get more photos next week.

[Nicko1234]

Most threads always break down. We don't have any info as to what Brian is really up to. Those that know who are on the board won't tell us.

Besides, Brian is in Vegas at Camp. Maybe we will get more photos next week.

I'm not talking about the thread breaking down...

I'm talking about the admin asking people to take it to PMs and certain children continuing to try to disrupt class. 

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Most threads always break down. We don't have any info as to what Brian is really up to. Those that know who are on the board won't tell us.

Besides, Brian is in Vegas at Camp. Maybe we will get more photos next week.

I'm not talking about the thread breaking down...

I'm talking about the admin asking people to take it to PMs and certain children continuing to try to disrupt class.  

Thought it had gone to pukka pies?

[Nicko1234]

Thought it had gone to pukka pies?

There's always one though isn't there...

[Iron Horse-Apples]

It was the "bitching at each other" that was asked to be taken to PM's. Humour was deployed and saved the day, but I'm, afraid the thread was destroyed in the process.

[Wirestone]

I don't find the arguing particularly productive, especially because everyone is getting so irritated that it becomes harder and harder to empathize with other points of view. I mean, on one hand Mike had this coming, because he did, by multiple accounts (namely one Brian Wilson and one Jon Stebbins), break up the reunited Beach Boys. I think the folks who are rushing to Mike's defense have a difficult time dealing with this, so the preferred tactic is ignoring its existence or throwing out irrelevant details (so Brian might not have done all the shows -- so what?).

On the other hand, this was Mike's right, and he certainly didn't owe anyone anything after gamely going through the album recording, promotion and an extensive tour. And no one can accuse him of phoning it in over the last year. Anyone who saw the C50 shows recognized that Mike was still a peerless front man. Cheesy, corny, yet unarguably compelling. I think those who rush to condemn Mike -- and I've done my share of it over the years -- have a difficult time acknowledging his talents, so they likewise try to ignore their existence or throw out irrelevant details (who cares about Bruce's clapping?).

Regardless, everyone in the band seems reasonably happy now, so perhaps its best for us all to accept that what happened happened, that the album and tour were excellent, and allow ourselves to be delighted and surprised by whatever happens next.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I don't find the arguing particularly productive, especially because everyone is getting so irritated that it becomes harder and harder to empathize with other points of view. I mean, on one hand Mike had this coming, because he did, by multiple accounts (namely one Brian Wilson and one Jon Stebbins), break up the reunited Beach Boys. I think the folks who are rushing to Mike's defense have a difficult time dealing with this, so the preferred tactic is ignoring its existence or throwing out irrelevant details (so Brian might not have done all the shows -- so what?).

On the other hand, this was Mike's right, and he certainly didn't owe anyone anything after gamely going through the album recording, promotion and an extensive tour. And no one can accuse him of phoning it in over the last year. Anyone who saw the C50 shows recognized that Mike was still a peerless front man. Cheesy, corny, yet unarguably compelling. I think those who rush to condemn Mike -- and I've done my share of it over the years -- have a difficult time acknowledging with his talents, so they likewise try to ignore their existence or throw out irrelevant details (who cares about Bruce's clapping?).

Regardless, everyone in the band seems reasonably happy now, so perhaps its best for us all to accept that what happened happened, that the album and tour were excellent, and allow ourselves to be delighted and surprised by whatever happens next.

Well said!

[Nicko1234]

I don't find the arguing particularly productive, especially because everyone is getting so irritated that it becomes harder and harder to empathize with other points of view. I mean, on one hand Mike had this coming, because he did, by multiple accounts (namely one Brian Wilson and one Jon Stebbins), break up the reunited Beach Boys. I think the folks who are rushing to Mike's defense have a difficult time dealing with this, so the preferred tactic is ignoring its existence or throwing out irrelevant details (so Brian might not have done all the shows -- so what?).

Good post and I agree with many of the things that you said but...

I don't think it is a matter of ignoring things. Yes, the C50 could have continued for longer and Mike decided he didn't want to do that. I don't think anyone is denying it. However, it was never going to last forever and I think it's a miracle it went as well as it did. Everybody walked on eggshells for one year and compromised but they were never going to do that eternally.

I'm not sure how Brian not doing all of the shows could be described as 'irrelevant'. If Brian had wanted to work in the studio with Jeff and other band members then they wouldn't have been available for touring. As Mike likes playing a hundred shows a year that would have been a problem. Even if Brian had used other musicians in the studio, I think the least likely scenario of all this year would have been Mike and the other guys going out on tour with Brian's band but without Brian. That was never going to happen.

I agree absolutely about accepting what happened happened and enjoying future projects though.

[Cam Mott]

I don't we have a problem with something that didn't happen.

[HeyJude]

I don't find the arguing particularly productive, especially because everyone is getting so irritated that it becomes harder and harder to empathize with other points of view. I mean, on one hand Mike had this coming, because he did, by multiple accounts (namely one Brian Wilson and one Jon Stebbins), break up the reunited Beach Boys. I think the folks who are rushing to Mike's defense have a difficult time dealing with this, so the preferred tactic is ignoring its existence or throwing out irrelevant details (so Brian might not have done all the shows -- so what?).

Good post and I agree with many of the things that you said but...

I don't think it is a matter of ignoring things. Yes, the C50 could have continued for longer and Mike decided he didn't want to do that. I don't think anyone is denying it. However, it was never going to last forever and I think it's a miracle it went as well as it did. Everybody walked on eggshells for one year and compromised but they were never going to do that eternally.

I'm not sure how Brian not doing all of the shows could be described as 'irrelevant'. If Brian had wanted to work in the studio with Jeff and other band members then they wouldn't have been available for touring. As Mike likes playing a hundred shows a year that would have been a problem. Even if Brian had used other musicians in the studio, I think the least likely scenario of all this year would have been Mike and the other guys going out on tour with Brian's band but without Brian. That was never going to happen.

I agree absolutely about accepting what happened happened and enjoying future projects though.

Was there any true indication that Brian wasn't going to do all of the shows, as in theoretical future reunion dates? I don't know if I missed something regarding that. I know Love said in his statement to the LA Times that initially Brian was only going to join in on a handfull of dates, but that idea seemed to go by the wayside pretty quickly. He did all 74 shows with the band, never missed one. I don't think they would set up a longer "reunion" tour than what Brian could do, which does of course lead us back to another of many reasons Love probably wouldn't be as amenable, because he wouldn't want to only continue to do 30 or 50 or probably even only 75 shows per year. He would want to do more, and more cheaply, etc.

[HeyJude]

I don't find the arguing particularly productive, especially because everyone is getting so irritated that it becomes harder and harder to empathize with other points of view. I mean, on one hand Mike had this coming, because he did, by multiple accounts (namely one Brian Wilson and one Jon Stebbins), break up the reunited Beach Boys. I think the folks who are rushing to Mike's defense have a difficult time dealing with this, so the preferred tactic is ignoring its existence or throwing out irrelevant details (so Brian might not have done all the shows -- so what?).

On the other hand, this was Mike's right, and he certainly didn't owe anyone anything after gamely going through the album recording, promotion and an extensive tour. And no one can accuse him of phoning it in over the last year. Anyone who saw the C50 shows recognized that Mike was still a peerless front man. Cheesy, corny, yet unarguably compelling. I think those who rush to condemn Mike -- and I've done my share of it over the years -- have a difficult time acknowledging with his talents, so they likewise try to ignore their existence or throw out irrelevant details (who cares about Bruce's clapping?).

Regardless, everyone in the band seems reasonably happy now, so perhaps its best for us all to accept that what happened happened, that the album and tour were excellent, and allow ourselves to be delighted and surprised by whatever happens next.

Very well said as always. Those who have lamented Mike ending more reunion possibilities are doing just that, lamenting. At some point, our lamenting does become rather unproductive and doesn't further a conversation as much. But in the world of the BB's where we *still* lament so many things that *could* have happened ("Smile", better setlists, a bazillion tracks that they never released, Beach Boys Central website, Adult Child, Dennis' solo career, and the list goes on and on), I've simply been continually surprised at the number of fans who have been sort of like "Meh, Mike did what he was contractually obligated to do, give the guy a break" when it comes to the reunion.

[AndrewHickey]

But in the world of the BB's where we *still* lament so many things that *could* have happened ("Smile", better setlists, a bazillion tracks that they never released, Beach Boys Central website, Adult Child, Dennis' solo career, and the list goes on and on), I've simply been continually surprised at the number of fans who have been sort of like "Meh, Mike did what he was contractually obligated to do, give the guy a break" when it comes to the reunion.

It's in large part *because* of that that we're saying that, though. Last year they actually managed a base level of competence and acting like sensible human beings for the first time in, what, thirty years? Forty? Get together, make a decent album, promote it properly, do a good tour with a wonderful backing band, playing interesting sets, have no public rows, everyone shows up sober and actually enthusiastic about their parts...
Realistically, how long was that going to last?

The fact that it ended when it was supposed to end rather than three months early was, in itself, a minor miracle. They all did what they said they were going to do, and compared to what we've been trained to expect, basic professionalism is cause for celebration.

[HeyJude]

But in the world of the BB's where we *still* lament so many things that *could* have happened ("Smile", better setlists, a bazillion tracks that they never released, Beach Boys Central website, Adult Child, Dennis' solo career, and the list goes on and on), I've simply been continually surprised at the number of fans who have been sort of like "Meh, Mike did what he was contractually obligated to do, give the guy a break" when it comes to the reunion.

It's in large part *because* of that that we're saying that, though. Last year they actually managed a base level of competence and acting like sensible human beings for the first time in, what, thirty years? Forty? Get together, make a decent album, promote it properly, do a good tour with a wonderful backing band, playing interesting sets, have no public rows, everyone shows up sober and actually enthusiastic about their parts...
Realistically, how long was that going to last?

The fact that it ended when it was supposed to end rather than three months early was, in itself, a minor miracle. They all did what they said they were going to do, and compared to what we've been trained to expect, basic professionalism is cause for celebration.

I think that all makes sense. Situationally, logically, it is indeed a marvel that the thing happened as well as it did. But it still seems like it wasn't just fate or some catastrophic thing that made it stop. It had a lot of momentum and at least three of the guys enthusiastic, with more offers for shows, etc., and then one ingredient made the whole thing end. I'm not big on the "it could have been worse" angle in this case, because the reunion tour was SO far beyond what I expected that it deserved to continue for awhile.

Those posts from Howie Edelson back around the end of the tour were so on the spot, particularly this one from October:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,14421.msg324803.html#msg324803

That stuff needs to remembered. Maybe not continually said anymore, as the points have been made numerous times, but this statement, coming from someone who has actually covered these guys and spoken to them, specifically even spoken to Mike Love about the future of the reunion, is a statement that is both apt and carries a lot of weight to me.

[Shady]

I don't find the arguing particularly productive, especially because everyone is getting so irritated that it becomes harder and harder to empathize with other points of view. I mean, on one hand Mike had this coming, because he did, by multiple accounts (namely one Brian Wilson and one Jon Stebbins), break up the reunited Beach Boys. I think the folks who are rushing to Mike's defense have a difficult time dealing with this, so the preferred tactic is ignoring its existence or throwing out irrelevant details (so Brian might not have done all the shows -- so what?).

On the other hand, this was Mike's right, and he certainly didn't owe anyone anything after gamely going through the album recording, promotion and an extensive tour. And no one can accuse him of phoning it in over the last year. Anyone who saw the C50 shows recognized that Mike was still a peerless front man. Cheesy, corny, yet unarguably compelling. I think those who rush to condemn Mike -- and I've done my share of it over the years -- have a difficult time acknowledging with his talents, so they likewise try to ignore their existence or throw out irrelevant details (who cares about Bruce's clapping?).

Regardless, everyone in the band seems reasonably happy now, so perhaps its best for us all to accept that what happened happened, that the album and tour were excellent, and allow ourselves to be delighted and surprised by whatever happens next.

This is a great post.

Brian is recording a new record. Mike doesn't belong on it..we're back to 2008. Let's move on.

[Jason]

I don't find the arguing particularly productive, especially because everyone is getting so irritated that it becomes harder and harder to empathize with other points of view. I mean, on one hand Mike had this coming, because he did, by multiple accounts (namely one Brian Wilson and one Jon Stebbins), break up the reunited Beach Boys. I think the folks who are rushing to Mike's defense have a difficult time dealing with this, so the preferred tactic is ignoring its existence or throwing out irrelevant details (so Brian might not have done all the shows -- so what?).

On the other hand, this was Mike's right, and he certainly didn't owe anyone anything after gamely going through the album recording, promotion and an extensive tour. And no one can accuse him of phoning it in over the last year. Anyone who saw the C50 shows recognized that Mike was still a peerless front man. Cheesy, corny, yet unarguably compelling. I think those who rush to condemn Mike -- and I've done my share of it over the years -- have a difficult time acknowledging with his talents, so they likewise try to ignore their existence or throw out irrelevant details (who cares about Bruce's clapping?).

Regardless, everyone in the band seems reasonably happy now, so perhaps its best for us all to accept that what happened happened, that the album and tour were excellent, and allow ourselves to be delighted and surprised by whatever happens next.

You might be shocked at this given our past exchanges, but THIS is one of the best posts I've ever read on this board. Seriously. Bravo. You said it better than I could have.

[halblaineisgood]

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[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Lost in pages of garbage was the fact that BRIAN IS RECORDING A NEW ALBUM, and has some topnotch people guesting on it. Those who think it's just going to be another GIOMH are forgetting the fact that except Al the guests are instrumentalists. I noticed in the pictures that when Brian smiles, it looks like he's got his swagger back. I noticed it at times throughout the C50 tour, and it looks like it is going to continue.