I found the tracklist for the live album!!!

[HeyJude]

Mike has clearly stated his reasons for not agreeing to extend the defined end a second time.

It's clear he doesn't want to do more reunion shows. But I disagree that he has clearly stated the reasons. Not extending the end a second time because "the tour had a defined ending, and we extended it once" does NOT explain why it wasn't extended a second time. It only explains what happened prior to not extended it a second time. A simple "I didn't want to do any more shows with the reunion lineup at that time" would suffice. But he won't say this. He continues to cite the "agreement", and continually undercuts the argument by admitting that he agreed to extend the agreement once.

He has indeed made other comments, but they all seem to skate around stating any exact reason. There have been references to "I'm doing my thing, Brian and Al are doing their thing", etc.

The comments from the Lancaster Online interview are the only particularly telling comments:

Though he had some reservations, Love says he did enjoy working with Wilson during the tour last year."If it was just Brian, it would be great," he says, "but it's not just Brian. That's all I care to say about that." And, again with some reservations, he says he was happy with the music and the presentation of the Beach Boys' catalog of songs.
 
"I think there were too many guitarists and too many voices competing for parts for my taste, but it was a good experience musically," he says. "Brian has a good band and there were some good musicians there. We had a good time."

Even here, he refuses to go into detail. Don't get me wrong, it's probably better he doesn't if we want a chance for any other reunion stuff in the future. But the comments above show a few negative feelings about the tour, but even here, we don't get any connecting dots. No "therefore, I felt I wanted to return to my own band with less vocalists and musicians", etc.

Mike's letter to the LA Times of course did mention a few other reasons, but again as we already debated last year, I felt those reasons were also a bit shaky, and skated around just stating he didn't want to peform with the others.

I will reiterate that Mike has left the clear impression that he doesn't want to do more reunion activities and likes his own thing, so in that sense, he has effectively made his point. I hope he will further discuss what went on during the reunion that dictated that he didn't want to continue it.

[Cam Mott]

I just disagree, he's made it clear what his reasons are regardless of whatever judgement we put on them and he has made it clear he is open to working with the other Boys in future.

[Rocky Raccoon]

I think "it's not just Brian" means that while he acknowledges Brian's band is talented, he didn't like how they made up the majority of the people on stage.  Mike's touring band is smaller and might make for a more intimate experience (I'm just speculating, I've never actually seen his band live) and maybe he felt the reunion was a little too glitzy and overblown.  And I think they would have still been capable of putting on a great show if they cut down the size of the band (if maybe they took Scott Totten, Paul Mertens, Jeff Foskett, Darian Sahanaja, and John Cowsill and left it at that).  I wonder if there was an argument that the band was too big but Brian was too loyal to or dependent on his band to leave them all behind.  But now I'm going off on a tangent.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I just disagree, he's made it clear what his reasons are regardless of whatever judgement we put on them and he has made it clear he is open to working with the other Boys in future.

How about some quotes from ML from which you refer Cam?

[Cam Mott]

Too lazy to look them up but basically they were tour had an agreed to limit, that limit was met and exceeded, he didn't think it made business sense, he wanted to get back to his band and their way of touring, he didn't enjoy everybody attached to the tour. I believe Mike said all of that publically unless I'm confusing someone's opinions with actual statements. Anybody got the quotes to those or quotes to dispute any of it?

[SurfRiderHawaii]

A ptretty well written discussion on this at the Beach Boys Opinion Blog

http://beachboysopinion.blogspot.com/2013/04/recent-articles-interviews-discussing.html

[SurfRiderHawaii]

And here's a great analysis of the cd tracks and the songs left off.

http://beachboysopinion.blogspot.com/

[SMiLE Brian]

Mike's argument comes down to this:

"Nevermind touring with you guys, I am just going use the BBs name by myself again."

C'mon, you're better than that. You have to realize that Mike has his own band that relies on touring to make money - and his own son is in that band.

That is true, but after C50 M&B won't cut it in my view anymore. The public saw what the Brian led BBs were capable at this point and want more. M&B are obsolete with Brian wanting to build on the number 3 chart success of TWGMTR.

[Nicko1234]

That is true, but after C50 M&B won't cut it in my view anymore. The public saw what the Brian led BBs were capable at this point and want more. M&B are obsolete with Brian wanting to build on the number 3 chart success of TWGMTR.

It seems like they are cutting it though. More shows keep getting booked and the public seem content enough to go back to the way things were.

[Nicko1234]

It's clear he doesn't want to do more reunion shows. But I disagree that he has clearly stated the reasons. Not extending the end a second time because "the tour had a defined ending, and we extended it once" does NOT explain why it wasn't extended a second time. It only explains what happened prior to not extended it a second time. A simple "I didn't want to do any more shows with the reunion lineup at that time" would suffice. But he won't say this. He continues to cite the "agreement", and continually undercuts the argument by admitting that he agreed to extend the agreement once.

We know they had shows set up for October and beyond though. That was clearly always seen as the end date and Bruce even commented about that on the net while the C50 was in progress.

Personally I'm amazed that the C50 tour happened at all and that it was so successful for so many reasons. From a business point of view having 15 guys on stage to perform those songs is more than is needed and there have clearly been issues between Mike and Al for more than 20 years. No surprise that Mike would rather lead a simple life and tour with his son.

[Shady]

That is true, but after C50 M&B won't cut it in my view anymore. The public saw what the Brian led BBs were capable at this point and want more. M&B are obsolete with Brian wanting to build on the number 3 chart success of TWGMTR.

It seems like they are cutting it though. More shows keep getting booked and the public seem content enough to go back to the way things were.

The Beach Boys are an unstoppable force, no matter who's on stage you will always have a few thousand people in the audience. But to feel the magic like during the C50 tour you have to have them all up there.

People actually go see Guns N Roses with only Axl Rose, it's a crazy world.

[Sheriff John Stone]

That is true, but after C50 M&B won't cut it in my view anymore. The public saw what the Brian led BBs were capable at this point and want more. M&B are obsolete with Brian wanting to build on the number 3 chart success of TWGMTR.

It seems like they are cutting it though. More shows keep getting booked and the public seem content enough to go back to the way things were.

The Beach Boys are an unstoppable force, no matter who's on stage you will always have a few thousand people in the audience. But to feel the magic like during the C50 tour you have to have them all up there.

People actually go see Guns N Roses with only Axl Rose, it's a crazy world.

This might/probably belongs in the M & B Tour 2013 thread (cough), but .... The Beach Boys are unstoppable - because of the music. That music just goes over so well live. The energy and the timelessness (is that a word?) of the material and the fact that the songs are short and they can go from one to the next to the next to the next....

And, after seeing Mike and Bruce last week, I can honestly say that if Bruce left the band, they could still go on with Mike as the only original Beach Boy. I'm not saying I would welcome that, but I could see it happening.

[Lowbacca]

And, after seeing Mike and Bruce last week, I can honestly say that if Bruce left the band, they could still go on with Mike as the only original Beach Boy. I'm not saying I would welcome that, but I could see it happening.

... at least it wouldn't make much of a difference, musically.

[SMiLE Brian]

That is true, but after C50 M&B won't cut it in my view anymore. The public saw what the Brian led BBs were capable at this point and want more. M&B are obsolete with Brian wanting to build on the number 3 chart success of TWGMTR.

It seems like they are cutting it though. More shows keep getting booked and the public seem content enough to go back to the way things were.

The Beach Boys are an unstoppable force, no matter who's on stage you will always have a few thousand people in the audience. But to feel the magic like during the C50 tour you have to have them all up there.

People actually go see Guns N Roses with only Axl Rose, it's a crazy world.

This might/probably belongs in the M & B Tour 2013 thread (cough), but .... The Beach Boys are unstoppable - because of the music. That music just goes over so well live. The energy and the timelessness (is that a word?) of the material and the fact that the songs are short and they can go from one to the next to the next to the next....

And, after seeing Mike and Bruce last week, I can honestly say that if Bruce left the band, they could still go on with Mike as the only original Beach Boy. I'm not saying I would welcome that, but I could see it happening.

I could see Bruce being let go, he barely does anything anymore. But Mike won't do that, because it would look bad for him to tour with the BBs name with the other members left out.

[Cam Mott]

I'm thinking Mike wouldn't do it because he likes Bruce.

[Sheriff John Stone]

That is true, but after C50 M&B won't cut it in my view anymore. The public saw what the Brian led BBs were capable at this point and want more. M&B are obsolete with Brian wanting to build on the number 3 chart success of TWGMTR.

It seems like they are cutting it though. More shows keep getting booked and the public seem content enough to go back to the way things were.

The Beach Boys are an unstoppable force, no matter who's on stage you will always have a few thousand people in the audience. But to feel the magic like during the C50 tour you have to have them all up there.

People actually go see Guns N Roses with only Axl Rose, it's a crazy world.

This might/probably belongs in the M & B Tour 2013 thread (cough), but .... The Beach Boys are unstoppable - because of the music. That music just goes over so well live. The energy and the timelessness (is that a word?) of the material and the fact that the songs are short and they can go from one to the next to the next to the next....

And, after seeing Mike and Bruce last week, I can honestly say that if Bruce left the band, they could still go on with Mike as the only original Beach Boy. I'm not saying I would welcome that, but I could see it happening.

I could see Bruce being let go, he barely does anything anymore. But Mike won't do that, because it would look bad for him to tour with the BBs name with the other members left out.

But, there is SOMETHING to be said for THAT, meaning having another Beach Boy in the band. You can't totally ignore that aspect of "The Beach Boys" as they are being presented.

Don't misunderstand, I think it's good that Bruce continues to tour and is being a productive musician/human being. And, Bruce does make a significant contribution; you have to as that current lineup is constituted. Smile Brian, have you ever seen the Mike & Bruce Beach Boys? Bruce plays a lot of keyboard parts, does harmonies on every song, sings a half dozen lead vocals including "Disney Girls" and the occasional "I Write The Songs", and is very fan friendly which is very important because the other band members aren't the most outgoing guys on stage (sorry, Scott )

I also think it's good for Mike having an old friend to hang out with. There's nothing wrong with surrounding yourself with people who you are comfortable with when you're spending so much time around them!

[SMiLE Brian]

I saw M&B in 2011, Bruce only took two leads and mostly was quiet the rest of the show. I don't think his keyboard was playing anything either. Maybe he had an off night but Bruce didn't seem to really be involved with the show.

[Sheriff John Stone]

I saw M&B in 2011, Bruce only took two leads and mostly was quiet the rest of the show. I don't think his keyboard was playing anything either. Maybe he had an off night but Bruce didn't seem to really be involved with the show.

Fair enough.

[SMiLE Brian]

It was still a good show and I enjoyed it. I also saw Brian in the same summer on the Gershwin tour.

[oldsurferdude]

And, after seeing Mike and Bruce last week, I can honestly say that if Bruce left the band, they could still go on with Mike as the only original Beach Boy. I'm not saying I would welcome that, but I could see it happening.

... at least it wouldn't make much of a difference, musically.

Would anyone notice or even care that mYke and bruTh wouldn't be there?

[Nicko1234]

Would anyone notice or even care that mYke and bruTh wouldn't be there?

You'd care more than most it seems as judging by your posts mYke seems to occupy your thoughts in every waking moment.

[Lowbacca]

And, after seeing Mike and Bruce last week, I can honestly say that if Bruce left the band, they could still go on with Mike as the only original Beach Boy. I'm not saying I would welcome that, but I could see it happening.

... at least it wouldn't make much of a difference, musically.

Would anyone notice or even care that mYke and bruTh wouldn't be there?

Mike has one of the most recognisable voices in mainstream rock history and he's singing lead on 80% of the material the Mike&Bruce band performs. So - yes, one would definitely notice.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I saw M&B in 2011, Bruce only took two leads and mostly was quiet the rest of the show. I don't think his keyboard was playing anything either. Maybe he had an off night but Bruce didn't seem to really be involved with the show.

The man himself addresses his keyboard parts (from the BBB Message Board):

Re(2): Brian Wilson, Allan Jardine, David Marks Atlantic City Tickets On Sale Now Posted on April 9, 2013 at 07:11:40 PM by Bruce Johnston

Ridethatwave: First of all, I really appreciate that you came to our concert and that you took some time to post some of your thoughts. Now to respond to your recent post:

 1) I actually sing a lower vocal background part that is easy to sing for "Isn't It Time" live and I then I sing my live chorus lead in full voice/top of the range (non-falsetto) just the way I was asked to sing it on our recent recording. It's kind of like Carl Wilson singing his full voice/top of the range lead on "Wild Honey." Best of all for me, it's fun to belt the lead chorus vocal out every night on "Isn't It Time." 

2) While I sing, my keyboard playing 'floats' in the mix as a cushion of chords because Tim Bohomme handles the main keyboard/organ/synth chair (parts & solos).

 3) If the venue seems a bit too warm and someone in the audience looks a little over heated, I sometimes pass out one of my two water bottles. I hope to see you again at one of our concerts and I also hope you are able to be at one of the up-coming Brian Wilson concerts (with Al Jardine & David Marks). I'm going to try and find some time to finally sit in the audience for a Brian concert and just enjoy listening to the music. The last time I was able to be in the audience to see Brian, etc., was at the Cow Palace in San Francisco in 1963!!! Terry Melcher, Lou Adler & I flew to San Francisco just to see the band rockin' the house in front of thousands of people.....What a great memory & what a great night! 

Bruce Johnston Pittsburgh, PA April 9, 2013 (a special day today for me)

[oldsurferdude]

Would anyone notice or even care that mYke and bruTh wouldn't be there?

You'd care more than most it seems as judging by your posts mYke seems to occupy your thoughts in every waking moment.

Who pissed on your Wheaties? Little thin skinned there, aren't we? But, I guess someone has to stand up for both of those magnificent, groundbreaking sidemen.

[Nicko1234]

Who pissed on your Wheaties? Little thin skinned there, aren't we? But, I guess someone has to stand up for both of those magnificent, groundbreaking sidemen.

Not standing up for anyone. I personally don't think the average audience member would miss Bruce if he stopped touring.

I just think that you would.