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« on: March 29, 2013, 08:59:58 AM »

So, let us suppose for a moment that Brian and the Boys delivered a Grand Slam instead of a bunt in 1967.
SMILE came out as planned and we never had SMILEY SMILE.

What songs, if any, would you miss having in the catalog?

I'd miss "She's Going Bald".
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2013, 09:02:28 AM »

So, let us suppose for a moment that Brian and the Boys delivered a Grand Slam instead of a bunt in 1967.
SMILE came out as planned and we never had SMILEY SMILE.

What songs, if any, would you miss having in the catalog?

I'd miss "She's Going Bald".

All of them. I'd miss the Smiley version of Wonderful the least, because the Smile version of that is still great, but everything else on that album -- Little Pad, She's Going Bald, the Smiley version of Wind Chimes (which is infinitely superior to the Smile one), Whistle In, Fall Breaks... it's an absolutely gorgeous album from beginning to end.
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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2013, 09:03:04 AM »

What makes you think those songs wouldn't have been released? After all, we didn't have a Smile, but we got Heroes & Villains, Wonderful, etc. Chances are, those tunes would have been out on a different album.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2013, 09:05:34 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2013, 09:09:49 AM »

What makes you think those songs ever would have been written, Luther?

That's where I'm coming from.  If they didn't have to scrape together a "bunt", I don't think those new songs or alternate version of SMILE songs would have ever been conceived.
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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2013, 09:10:56 AM »

So, let us suppose for a moment that Brian and the Boys delivered a Grand Slam instead of a bunt in 1967.
SMILE came out as planned and we never had SMILEY SMILE.
What songs, if any, would you miss having in the catalog?
I'd miss "She's Going Bald".
Glad you looked at this topic.  I've read where this was Carl's characterization of the stripped-down version we've come to know - and love! But, this is a 1967 context, even from a band member, Carl could perhaps not envision how enduring and widely-loved classic old Smiley Smile has become.  And, each of those tracks possesses a unique beauty.  Not unlike Pet Sounds, it just grew on listeners.  What could be omitted from that album, without desecrating it?

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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2013, 09:16:20 AM »

You're talking about a composer who, throughout his entire career, has been known to stockpile and revisit previously sketched ideas or songs. It's moot, obviously, because the album did come out and we can't know what would have happened if it hadn't, but considering the man has probably never done a single album without previously worked ideas, why would you think those particular ideas wouldn't have happened and been finished at another time in the future? Because Smile happens, Little Pad isn't thought of? That just doesn't really make sense to me. Would Wild Honey' have happened? Would Friends have happened? That Smile songs may have been a part of Smile rather than part of Smiley Smile seems pretty irrelevant to me: the guy was going to keep making songs, as he did, so why assume they wouldn't have been the ones that they were?
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2013, 09:31:49 AM »

The thing I'd miss most is just the general mood of that album.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2013, 09:34:21 AM »

I would miss exactly zero Smiley Smile songs.
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2013, 09:47:13 AM »

You're talking about a composer who, throughout his entire career, has been known to stockpile and revisit previously sketched ideas or songs. It's moot, obviously, because the album did come out and we can't know what would have happened if it hadn't, but considering the man has probably never done a single album without previously worked ideas, why would you think those particular ideas wouldn't have happened and been finished at another time in the future? Because Smile happens, Little Pad isn't thought of? That just doesn't really make sense to me. Would Wild Honey' have happened? Would Friends have happened? That Smile songs may have been a part of Smile rather than part of Smiley Smile seems pretty irrelevant to me: the guy was going to keep making songs, as he did, so why assume they wouldn't have been the ones that they were?

However they wouldn't have been the exact same songs. Had SMiLE panned out maybe Brian's would've recorded the Smiley songs songs in an actual studio....rather than in his den/converted studio. Had he gone back and recorded 'Little Pad' or 'Gettin' Hungry' they may have had a totally different sound to them. With that in mind:

I would miss the vibe of those songs. The simple instrumentals, the polished vocals. Had the songs from Smiley never seen the light of day I would really miss 'Gettin Hungry', 'Wind Chimes', 'With Me Tonight'.
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2013, 09:58:40 AM »

more like a blunt instead of a grand slam, amirite Cool Guy

all of them, the entire album rules. more than pet sounds and about equal to love you
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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2013, 10:19:59 AM »

more like a blunt instead of a grand slam, amirite Cool Guy

all of them, the entire album rules. more than pet sounds and about equal to love you

Hear hear!
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2013, 10:32:50 AM »

all of them, the entire album rules. more than pet sounds and about equal to love you

Absolutely.
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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2013, 10:41:14 AM »

i'll tell y'all what i do miss: smiley smile versions of "cabinessence", "do you like worms?", "child is father to the man", and "surf's up". now THAT would've been a truly blunted, lo-fi psychedelic pop masterpiece.
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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2013, 10:50:16 AM »

I know what I mean but I don't know how to say it .... If you took the average music fan, or the casual Beach Boys' fan, or the other 99.99999% of the fan population who aren't on this message board - Smiley Smile would be the first or the easiest Beach Boys' album to drop or delete from the catalogue. With the possible exception of 15 Big Ones, Smiley Smile has done the most damage to the group's career.
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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2013, 10:56:26 AM »

i don't care what some mamas-and-papas-loving pop music fan thinks about smiley smile. it's obviously a weird, insular drug album. hardly surprising most people wouldn't be into it. all the better something like this was released by the beach boys; it doesn't get much more left-field than that! people here are too obsessed with the group's loss of popularity, jeez.
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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2013, 10:58:34 AM »

i don't care what some mamas-and-papas-loving pop music fan thinks about smiley smile. it's obviously a weird, insular drug album. hardly surprising most people wouldn't be into it. all the better something like this was released by the beach boys; it doesn't get much more left-field than that! people here are too obsessed with the group's loss of popularity, jeez.

Have a nice day. Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2013, 11:05:08 AM »

i don't care what some mamas-and-papas-loving pop music fan thinks about smiley smile. it's obviously a weird, insular drug album. hardly surprising most people wouldn't be into it. all the better something like this was released by the beach boys; it doesn't get much more left-field than that! people here are too obsessed with the group's loss of popularity, jeez.

Have a nice day. Smiley

that wasn't a dig at you or anything. merely a point that it would be unsurprising 99.9% of pop music fans wouldn't be into smiley smile because it's nothing like the rest of the beach boys catalogue, especially compared o what came before but after too. even love you had some sonic precursors in the spring album and 15 big ones, for instance. i think as odd as smile might have been, it would've still been a recognisable shift from pet sounds... except then we got smiley smile, beginning the descent into the insular world of the beach boys.
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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2013, 11:06:56 AM »

I wouldn't really miss any of them. With Me Tonight is the best of the bunch though.
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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2013, 11:11:08 AM »

Smiley Smile > Smile
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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2013, 11:12:44 AM »

I want "THE SMiLE" of 1967, but Smiley Smile is more than a great consolation prize.
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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2013, 11:17:49 AM »

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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2013, 11:20:58 AM »

smile is music made on drugs. smiley smile is music attempting to represent drug use, intentional or not.
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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2013, 11:22:44 AM »

i don't care what some mamas-and-papas-loving pop music fan thinks about smiley smile. it's obviously a weird, insular drug album. hardly surprising most people wouldn't be into it. all the better something like this was released by the beach boys; it doesn't get much more left-field than that! people here are too obsessed with the group's loss of popularity, jeez.

Have a nice day. Smiley

that wasn't a dig at you or anything. merely a point that it would be unsurprising 99.9% of pop music fans wouldn't be into smiley smile because it's nothing like the rest of the beach boys catalogue, especially compared o what came before but after too. even love you had some sonic precursors in the spring album and 15 big ones, for instance. i think as odd as smile might have been, it would've still been a recognisable shift from pet sounds... except then we got smiley smile, beginning the descent into the insular world of the beach boys.

No offense taken, Doctor. I realized, even as I was typing my post, that it was a downer. So I thought I would post something, complete with smiley face, going the opposite direction. Sorry for how it came off.

I'm not a fan of Smiley Smile. I think it's overrated and it signifies - to me anyway - Brian throwing in the towel. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy it; I do. But, I enjoy every Beach Boys' album. I compare it somewhat to BWPS. The songs are inferior to SMiLE. Anyway...

I don't think The Becah Boys ever recovered from Smiley Smiley. They went from Good Vibrations and that infamous poll beating The Beatles (yeah, I know it was just one poll) to declining record sales, bankruptcy, and being dropped by their record company. All that in what, 2-3 years. Hard to believe actually. Smiley Smiley was a mistake, and I always thought that Wild Honey was an attempt to apologize for it, in my opinion, of course...
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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2013, 11:57:10 AM »

i'll tell y'all what i do miss: smiley smile versions of "cabinessence", "do you like worms?", "child is father to the man", and "surf's up". now THAT would've been a truly blunted, lo-fi psychedelic pop masterpiece.

"Cabin Essence" is one song that I don't think would have worked in a Smiley Smile form.  I suspect a Smiley Smile version of "Surf's Up" would have been similar to the terrific version on the first disk of The Smile Sessions that was recorded around the time of Wild Honey.

As for the Smiley Smile recordings vs. the Smile recordings, I think the SS version of "Wind Chimes" is clearly superior, the S version of "Wonderful" is clearly superior, and I've never been able to decide about "Vegetables"/"Vega-Tables."
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