New Mike Examiner interview

[Mikie]

Hey Billy, whatia think?  There's at least one guy on this thread who saw Mike's indiscretions first hand during the 50th tour. I saw it in the early 80's (before they booted Foskett from the band for doing the same thing). Would you look the other way if we started a "Beach Boy Mess Around On Their Wives" thread?

And what Hickey said about Mike's possibly having an "open marriage". With Jacqueline? I don't think so. That would mean that she got to stay home in Incline Village and Pebble Beach and Santa Barbara and Hawaii and do that too. Which I doubt. Unless there's a one-sided agreement, but I'd doubt that too.

But anyway, Nicko says Mike's indiscretions have been discussed "numerous times" here. I can't remember reading about this on the board before, but I've heard stories through posters via PM. At first I didn't think it had anything to do with Mike & Bruce going back to their original show schedule, but the more I thought about it and the disapproval from certain members of the band and their wives, the more it made sense.

Where's Steven Gaines for an update on The Beach Boys personal trash?

[Mikie]

Just read that Harry Reems, the actor who starred in Deep Throat, has died.  That's too bad.

[Nicko1234]

Also, do any of you really think Brian can handle the touring schedule M&B have?He did it last year despite having back issues, but to do it again (pardon the pun) immediately after? Notice that Brian only has two shows scheduled this year (so far)?

Indeed. If Brian really wanted to be touring heavily this summer then I'm sure his management could have booked him a lot more shows than that.

[AndrewHickey]

And what Hickey said about Mike's possibly having an "open marriage". With Jacqueline? I don't think so. That would mean that she got to stay home in Incline Village and Pebble Beach and Santa Barbara and Hawaii and do that too. Which I doubt. Unless there's a one-sided agreement, but I'd doubt that too.

Note that *all* I said was that plenty of people do have arrangements like that (far, *far* more than you might imagine), not that I think that's what's happening -- I don't know and don't care. I have no idea what, if anything, Mike gets up to apart from the odd hint dropped on this board, and I really, really don't want to know.

[Myk Luhv]

Someone should get Mike drunk and ask him! Or see if he'd hook up.

[Wirestone]

Also, do any of you really think Brian can handle the touring schedule M&B have?He did it last year despite having back issues, but to do it again (pardon the pun) immediately after? Notice that Brian only has two shows scheduled this year (so far)?

Indeed. If Brian really wanted to be touring heavily this summer then I'm sure his management could have booked him a lot more shows than that.

I suspect there will be a more extensive tour and that the two shows have just been announced early. Nothing at the C50 level, though. Maybe a couple dozen shows.

And please let's give BW some credit here. The man did every single C50 show, including ones where he was feeling pretty iffy. I think this whole, "Oh Brian couldn't take the schedule" thing is a bit silly. Could he do it year in and year out? Maybe not, but the 2012 tour was scheduled to give him some generous downtime, and he seemed to enjoy life on the road.

As for Mike screwing around -- I can't imagine where he would find the energy!

[SMiLE Brian]

Someone should get Mike drunk and ask him! Or see if he'd hook up.

He needs a reality show like Bret Micheal's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MVLe-yqO3E

[Andrew G. Doe]

That was a festival with other acts on the bill. Not that I'm putting them down for playing it.

Not that day - BB were the only act. No time for anyone else between the racing finishing and the noise curfew. How can I be so sure ? I took those photos, from the back of the stage.

And... Brian's never played a festival with other acts on the bill ?

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Also, do any of you really think Brian can handle the touring schedule M&B have?He did it last year despite having back issues, but to do it again (pardon the pun) immediately after? Notice that Brian only has two shows scheduled this year (so far)?

Indeed. If Brian really wanted to be touring heavily this summer then I'm sure his management could have booked him a lot more shows than that.

I suspect there will be a more extensive tour and that the two shows have just been announced early. Nothing at the C50 level, though. Maybe a couple dozen shows.

And please let's give BW some credit here. The man did every single C50 show, including ones where he was feeling pretty iffy. I think this whole, "Oh Brian couldn't take the schedule" thing is a bit silly. Could he do it year in and year out? Maybe not, but the 2012 tour was scheduled to give him some generous downtime, and he seemed to enjoy life on the road.

As for Mike screwing around -- I can't imagine where he would find the energy!

Mike's got turbine power, baby:

[SMiLE Brian]

Then took that lady behind the turbine....

[SurfRiderHawaii]

That was a festival with other acts on the bill. Not that I'm putting them down for playing it.

Not that day - BB were the only act. No time for anyone else between the racing finishing and the noise curfew. How can I be so sure ? I took those photos, from the back of the stage.

And... Brian's never played a festival with other acts on the bill ?

My question is did all those people pay exclusively to see Mike/Bruce or was it a promotion alomg with the race admission ala the Sea World show?

[Mikie]

Man the environment that Mike and his wife are in in that picture really sucks!!

[Cam Mott]

That was a festival with other acts on the bill. Not that I'm putting them down for playing it.

Not that day - BB were the only act. No time for anyone else between the racing finishing and the noise curfew. How can I be so sure ? I took those photos, from the back of the stage.

And... Brian's never played a festival with other acts on the bill ?

My question is did all those people pay exclusively to see Mike/Bruce or was it a promotion alomg with the race admission ala the Sea World show?

Brian opened for Paul Simon.

[Shady]

That was a festival with other acts on the bill. Not that I'm putting them down for playing it.

Not that day - BB were the only act. No time for anyone else between the racing finishing and the noise curfew. How can I be so sure ? I took those photos, from the back of the stage.

And... Brian's never played a festival with other acts on the bill ?

Nothing wrong with playing a festival. It's just when you play a festival you don't say 60 thousand people came just to see you.

That was a festival with other acts on the bill. Not that I'm putting them down for playing it.

Not that day - BB were the only act. No time for anyone else between the racing finishing and the noise curfew. How can I be so sure ? I took those photos, from the back of the stage.

And... Brian's never played a festival with other acts on the bill ?

My question is did all those people pay exclusively to see Mike/Bruce or was it a promotion alomg with the race admission ala the Sea World show?

I'd imagine something like that

[drbeachboy]

Man the environment that Mike and his wife are in in that picture really sucks!!

 

[Shady]

If this threads done one thing it's taken our minds off waiting for MIC.

That's a good thing 

[oldsurferdude]

So I can be insulted  repeatly for no reason because I don't agree with the "truth" which is your opinion.

No, you were given facts by others too. My opinions are based on fact or are adjusted as the facts present themselves. As for The Beach Boys, you don't see me trashing or over praising any of the individuals. First off, their personal life is none of my F-ing business. As professionals, I have my opinions, but overall it is left to them to decide what works and what does not. They have pretty much been an ongoing working band for 51 years. During all those good and bad decisions that they have made, they have had a very successful career. From Carl's death until about 2007, I was a "No Wilsons, No Beach Boys" type of fan, and really disliked Mike Love and what he was doing. But fan boards like this one, as well as people like the Andrew's and Jon and Mike and Stephan have really changed my way of thinking about the band. I have changed my opinion completely around due to being given the facts from the ones who have taken the time to do the research. Sorry for rambling.

No, you're just an everyday flip flopper who, at this time, is enthralled by mYke and Brooth and lives in the past. What will it be two weeks from now, whatever the agdster thinks? Ramble on mYkinista

[AndrewHickey]

That was a festival with other acts on the bill. Not that I'm putting them down for playing it.

Not that day - BB were the only act. No time for anyone else between the racing finishing and the noise curfew. How can I be so sure ? I took those photos, from the back of the stage.

And... Brian's never played a festival with other acts on the bill ?

My question is did all those people pay exclusively to see Mike/Bruce or was it a promotion alomg with the race admission ala the Sea World show?

The ticket got you in to see both the race and the band, but the band were the main event -- the tickets said "The Beach Boys" not "horse racing". The impression I got was that the people who came were there to see the band, and the racing was the equivalent of a support act.
The audience were certainly among the most enthusiastic I've ever seen -- it wasn't an audience of people who came for the racing and hung around to see the band, but definitely people who came for the band and watched the racing while they were there.

[JohnMill]

You're just not getting it.

It was fine when the beach boys were gone and there were no signs of a reunion, a M&B show was better than nothing.

The anger now is that Mike actually put an end to the reunion and decided to go out with Bruce. He is actually denying us more shows this summer

I get it, but all I'm asking is what if Brian had put an end to the reunion? Would he be denying us more shows this summer? Would you post to complain about his decision?

The key phrase here is: "benefit of the doubt".  Brian Wilson gets it from the majority and Mike Love doesn't.  It's just the way it is which brings up the natural question as to whether or not that is fair?  

For a lot of Beach Boys fans, Mike Love has stirred up enough antagonistic feelings among the fanbase over his fifty plus years with the band that many of them will never give him the benefit of the doubt on any matter or just flat out hate the guy.  For me I look at it like this, I'm not going to waste my time burying myself in who owns the legal rights to this name or to do that or not to do that.  From what I understand M&B put on an entertaining show and while in some folks minds they may have damaged the reputation of the band by playing at "Abe's Bar & Grill" many others think that by touring the music they keep the music relevant in the eyes of the general public.  The fact that there is even a debate on this issue to me at least makes it moot and I have no problem with what M&B do as far as their tour presentation.  As an aside it's probably too late to rewrite history on that front anyhow.

That being said, I will never plunk down any of my money to see a M&B show.  To me, it's not The Beach Boys just as seeing a Brian Wilson solo gig isn't The Beach Boys.  However, at least in going to see Brian Wilson I feel as if I'm getting to see the music interpreted through the man who crafted most of these masterpieces to begin with.  I also go in with the knowledge that on more nights than not, Brian Wilson isn't exactly going to deliver a five star show therefore I'm not expecting a replication of the masterpieces on stage.

So long story short would the reaction be different if Brian Wilson was the one who put the halt on the reunion proceedings instead of Mike Love?  Yes because Brian Wilson gets the benefit of the doubt from the majority (and perhaps even vast majority) of Beach Boys fans.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Also, do any of you really think Brian can handle the touring schedule M&B have?He did it last year despite having back issues, but to do it again (pardon the pun) immediately after? Notice that Brian only has two shows scheduled this year (so far)?

Indeed. If Brian really wanted to be touring heavily this summer then I'm sure his management could have booked him a lot more shows than that.

I suspect there will be a more extensive tour and that the two shows have just been announced early. Nothing at the C50 level, though. Maybe a couple dozen shows.

And please let's give BW some credit here. The man did every single C50 show, including ones where he was feeling pretty iffy. I think this whole, "Oh Brian couldn't take the schedule" thing is a bit silly. Could he do it year in and year out? Maybe not, but the 2012 tour was scheduled to give him some generous downtime, and he seemed to enjoy life on the road.

As for Mike screwing around -- I can't imagine where he would find the energy!

that's what I mean...constant year round.

[Shady]

You're just not getting it.

It was fine when the beach boys were gone and there were no signs of a reunion, a M&B show was better than nothing.

The anger now is that Mike actually put an end to the reunion and decided to go out with Bruce. He is actually denying us more shows this summer

I get it, but all I'm asking is what if Brian had put an end to the reunion? Would he be denying us more shows this summer? Would you post to complain about his decision?

If Brian ended the tour to make a solo record I wouldn't care.

In Mike's case he ended a real Beach Boys tour to to continue on his fraudulent Beach Boys tour..

It's like a plot from a twlight zone movie

[oldsurferdude]

Sheriff, good point, and I remember that discussion.  I think my beef is the extreme emphasis on touring and very little on recording.  Why is that?  That's what I don't see a satisfactory response on.  Even given your (sweetdudejim's) item 4, it seems recording would be much easier and much more feasible than touring.

Question: Could Brian, Al and Dave record a new BB album minus Mike?  Not explicitly leave him out, but leave an open invite and still record as The Beach Boys if he declined?

A BB album without Mike wouldn't suffer lyrically or musically (IMO, of course), and frankly his vocal contribution to TWGMTR was less than stellar.  I'd be cool with a Mike-less new BB album.

So would quite a few others. God, I'd luHv to see that happen-please!Of course that means no Brooth as well.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

That was a festival with other acts on the bill. Not that I'm putting them down for playing it.

Not that day - BB were the only act. No time for anyone else between the racing finishing and the noise curfew. How can I be so sure ? I took those photos, from the back of the stage.

And... Brian's never played a festival with other acts on the bill ?

My question is did all those people pay exclusively to see Mike/Bruce or was it a promotion alomg with the race admission ala the Sea World show?

Brian opened for Paul Simon.

So? At several points in his career, like Graceland times, PS was the hottest act in the US.

Somebody threw out this UK show as an example of the Mike/Bruce show drawing 10000 people. Well, that's misleading because the race fans saw them for free. It's not like 10000 people forked over 30 quid each to see M/B.

I am not saying it wasn't a cool gig for them but it doesn't compare to the C50th draw, or when I saw them and Chicago in front of
50, 000 fans or when they played the 4th of July on the National Mall in front of 500, 000, or whatever the crowd was.

[JohnMill]

Also, do any of you really think Brian can handle the touring schedule M&B have?He did it last year despite having back issues, but to do it again (pardon the pun) immediately after? Notice that Brian only has two shows scheduled this year (so far)?

Indeed. If Brian really wanted to be touring heavily this summer then I'm sure his management could have booked him a lot more shows than that.

I suspect there will be a more extensive tour and that the two shows have just been announced early. Nothing at the C50 level, though. Maybe a couple dozen shows.

And please let's give BW some credit here. The man did every single C50 show, including ones where he was feeling pretty iffy. I think this whole, "Oh Brian couldn't take the schedule" thing is a bit silly. Could he do it year in and year out? Maybe not, but the 2012 tour was scheduled to give him some generous downtime, and he seemed to enjoy life on the road.

As for Mike screwing around -- I can't imagine where he would find the energy!

that's what I mean...constant year round.

See I never understood why they have to tour every year to begin with.  With the notable exception of Dylan there aren't many blue chip acts that do that (Insert comment about M&B not being a blue chip act if you feel that way).  I understand that given The Beach Boys up until last year were dormant as far as releasing new studio material to the masses but I've never understood why they couldn't adopt a more conventional touring schedule which would obviously include scheduling in an "off year" once every two years or once every other year?  That would easily make it more convenient for Brian Wilson to play regularly with the band.  

[Rob Dean]

That was a festival with other acts on the bill. Not that I'm putting them down for playing it.

Not that day - BB were the only act. No time for anyone else between the racing finishing and the noise curfew. How can I be so sure ? I took those photos, from the back of the stage.

And... Brian's never played a festival with other acts on the bill ?

My question is did all those people pay exclusively to see Mike/Bruce or was it a promotion alomg with the race admission ala the Sea World show?

The ticket got you in to see both the race and the band, but the band were the main event -- the tickets said "The Beach Boys" not "horse racing". The impression I got was that the people who came were there to see the band, and the racing was the equivalent of a support act.
The audience were certainly among the most enthusiastic I've ever seen -- it wasn't an audience of people who came for the racing and hung around to see the band, but definitely people who came for the band and watched the racing while they were there.

To cement what you said Andrew , we were both there at the front hours before the gig and to be honest there really wasn't that many people on the concourse for the racing BUT from 45 minutes on before show time the place really filled up - I recall speaking to a manager of the course and he informed me that of all the gigs that they put on for that season the BB's was by far the biggest seller.

PS I don't care too much on horse racing , I prefer to eat them