Stone Temple Pilots/Scott Weiland

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

As many of you all know, STP happens to be my favorite band besides the Beach Boys. Brian Wilson is second only to the Beatles (...) in Scott Weiland's list of favorite artists. There are actually more similarities between Weiland and Brian (and indeed, the career trajectories between the BB and STP) than one would initially realize.

Anybody else here a fan?

[JohnMill]

Great band.  I've always been surprised that at least to my knowledge they never released their "Unplugged" appearance on CD.  At the time I found it to be significantly better than Nirvana's much lauded "Unplugged" performance.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Weiland seems to be having some serious issues right now. His current solo tour has been a disaster, and he is starting to come off like Landy-era Brian.

BTW...was chatting with some folks on the STP board and several of them went to the C50 shows!

[cablegeddon]

Pearl Jam knock-offs

[SMiLE Brian]

What was honestly the issue with STP in the 1990s?

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Pearl Jam knock-offs

Dude, have you even heard anything from them that wasn't a single off of their first album? That's like saying Girl Don't Tell me is a Surf City knockoff.

[Mike's Beard]

I used to be a big fan back in the day. Didn't bother with any of the reunion stuff. It seems that Weiland's drug habits have cost the group dearly in the long run. They should hold the same kind of status that Pearl Jam has these days but Weiland keeps blankety-blank things up. He killed Velvet Revolver's momentum the same way.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

What was honestly the issue with STP in the 1990s?

Drugs. Lots and lots of drugs.  Plus, the critics hated them because their debut album in 1992 was very much 'of the times' and they wouldn't give STP any credit thereafter, despite the band being more influenced by 60s and 70s music than anything else.

Mike's Beard- I HATE the post-reunion stuff. Their 2010 self-titled album only had a couple of good songs on it. Weiland's current issues aren't just stemming from drugs; he's having personal issues and he's not quite 'there' any more. After his brother died in 2007, Scott relapsed on coke after being clean for four years, and he hasn't been the same since. He quit drugs in 2010 but now is a heavy alcoholic and on a heavy cocktail of anti-depressants. That probably wasn't the best time for him to reveal that a guy raped him when he was 14...


Check out my favorite songs from them:
http://youtu.be/PXjbA_pz1o4
http://youtu.be/sL-Akl7nOjE
http://youtu.be/wiubO7z39Ec
http://youtu.be/enyFv4wqE4s

And here's the band backing up Glen Campbell:
http://youtu.be/skuEiYfnSFg

[SMiLE Brian]

Yikes Billy, sad times for Scott.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

It really is. What's messed up is the fans of STP aren't necessarily fans of Scott Weiland as a solo artist, and he constantly is getting heckled at his solo shows. He had a mini-tour in November that he did pretty well at, but this latest tour...not so much. He's been coming on stage drunk, but also has had a familiar deer-in-the-headlights look about him, and after the first few shows not going over well, has basically began imploding onstage. The last three shows have been out and out disasters. Despite having to use a teleprompter, he still constantly messes up his lyrics, and sometimes is singing a different melody than the rest of the song. Sound familiar?


Now, he is justifiably getting flack for going onstage in no condition to perform , but he's on pretty much  by necessity...he is in so much debt due to alimony (two ex-wives)and child support to the point where he has to bring in $60,000 A MONTH just to break even. You know what the jacked up part is? On the message board, it was brought up how Brian in 1988 was 'much more more together' than Weiland is right now (Scott is going on 46). This is AFTER seeing the BW88 interviews and television appearances, mind you.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

FYI...found out recently they did a Beach Boys cover during the sessions for Purple. I had heard rumors about it but I actually got confirmation.

It's 'In My Room', although I personally would've liked something off of Friends!

[Mike's Beard]

It really is. What's messed up is the fans of STP aren't necessarily fans of Scott Weiland as a solo artist, and he constantly is getting heckled at his solo shows. He had a mini-tour in November that he did pretty well at, but this latest tour...not so much. He's been coming on stage drunk, but also has had a familiar deer-in-the-headlights look about him, and after the first few shows not going over well, has basically began imploding onstage. The last three shows have been out and out disasters. Despite having to use a teleprompter, he still constantly messes up his lyrics, and sometimes is singing a different melody than the rest of the song. Sound familiar?


Now, he is justifiably getting flack for going onstage in no condition to perform , but he's on pretty much  by necessity...he is in so much debt due to alimony (two ex-wives)and child support to the point where he has to bring in $60,000 A MONTH just to break even. You know what the jacked up part is? On the message board, it was brought up how Brian in 1988 was 'much more more together' than Weiland is right now (Scott is going on 46). This is AFTER seeing the BW88 interviews and television appearances, mind you.

As much a dick as Scott can be, this is wrong. Why on earth is he expected to give $30,000 a month each to two ex wives? How much does it cost to raise a child these days?

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

It gets worse when you realize that most of that goes to his second wife and the two kids...I dont think Jannina is still getting anything. Also, the income has been drastically reduced when you realize Scott isn't playing stadiums... he's been playing small clubs and casinos this last tour. Hell the last STP tour they were getting smaller and smaller crowds ( one show had maybe 2000 people). Royalties are drying up as well. And for those who are wondering.... yes he us getting married again, but I'm not sure a photographer's income would be anywhere close to what ex-model Mary brought in. Since he didn't save his money and his designer suit business didn't take off, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up bankrupt within a year or so.

[SMiLE Brian]

Watched some solo shows on youtube, Scott is losing his mind.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Yeah, it's not just pills and drink. I've seen him when he's been on drugs, and that's not it either. He's 'damaged', for lack of a better way to put it.

[Jay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KixbfLxexjI

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Yiiiiiiiiikes. That was the only video from this tour I had not seen, due to the title. Wow

[Jay]

Are Scott and the band even playing the same song? 

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

These days he plays in the key of SW...

[cablegeddon]

Pearl Jam knock-offs

Dude, have you even heard anything from them that wasn't a single off of their first album? That's like saying Girl Don't Tell me is a Surf City knockoff.

From my perspective they got famous with singles where Weiland mimicked Eddie Vedder and the band aimed to recreate Pearl Jam's Ten sound.

Of course I understand that they're decent songwriters and probably much more than that but it's hard to recognize them as anything more than a cash grab.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Well, they started in 1986, although their early recordings & first live shows sounded more like Freakey-Styley era Chili Peppers or Living Colour. And yeah, their 1992 album Core was derivative, but it's their only album in that style. That's usually how a debut album goes for a band. The good ones grow.  Have you heard any of the links I posted here?    http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,15363.msg357277.html#msg357277

[halblaineisgood]

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[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I didnt care for Talk Show much as I thought the vocalist was a bit daft, but I liked the work the DeLeo brothers did with Richard Patrick as Army of Anyone.

[Jay]

Hey Billy, since you're a big STP/Scott Weiland fan, you might want to check out Duff Mckagan's book "It's So Easy: And Other Lies". There is a chapter or two about Velvet Revolver, and he goes into quite a bit of detail about the various issues they had with Scott. He wasn't nearly as sober and/or "with it" as the general public thought at the time.