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« Reply #125 on: January 06, 2013, 10:40:22 AM »


these 'new' finds are really cool, but that clip with the Al lead is absolutely amazing.
Great thread

Yeah, not bad, Dan.  Not sure I care about the droning durge, but it's obviously unfinished, and who knows what it would have become.  Nice vocal by Al there.
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« Reply #126 on: January 06, 2013, 10:43:58 AM »

Huh huh huh huh.  Smilin' Ed and I were thinking of the same thing but have different opinions on it.  Happy New Year, Ed.  Grin
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« Reply #127 on: January 06, 2013, 12:34:52 PM »

Quite a few things don't add up. The major one being a scholar like Mr. Doe, who has devoted his life to chronicling the works of the Beach Boys, has never heard October these works or this guy.

But stranger things have happened. Maybe the son or someone else is doing the videos and is getting the facts wrong.
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« Reply #128 on: January 06, 2013, 01:28:23 PM »


these 'new' finds are really cool, but that clip with the Al lead is absolutely amazing.
Great thread

Yeah, not bad, Dan.  Not sure I care about the droning durge, but it's obviously unfinished, and who knows what it would have become.  Nice vocal by Al there.

I regard the tag as one of those little Beach Boys exquisities* that make me love them so much! Also, is that "dirge" version too fast? The voice handling the opening lines seems rather squeaky, always has.

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« Reply #129 on: January 06, 2013, 01:30:22 PM »

I will respect your copyright. Grin
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« Reply #130 on: January 06, 2013, 01:35:37 PM »

John, I have your "copyright" right here!   Grin

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« Reply #131 on: January 06, 2013, 02:18:23 PM »

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« Reply #132 on: January 06, 2013, 02:54:33 PM »

Quite a few things don't add up. The major one being a scholar like Mr. Doe, who has devoted his life to chronicling the works of the Beach Boys, has never heard October these works or this guy.

But stranger things have happened. Maybe the son or someone else is doing the videos and is getting the facts wrong.

Implied kudos appreciated, but actually it proves nothing: "SOMS" came pretty well out of nowhere, likewise the Wild Honey version of "Surf's Up". It's the inconsistent detail that concerns me more... that and the undeniable fact that there are recent overdubs. I'd like to hear the original recordings.
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« Reply #133 on: January 06, 2013, 03:03:01 PM »

Listen carefully to the organ on the "Al version" of Out in the Country:  the first few bars have a very similar chord progression to the tag of A Day in the Life of a Tree.
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« Reply #134 on: January 06, 2013, 03:14:35 PM »

DonnyL: Can you tell if the "Out In The Country" backing vocals were recorded in the 70's?

I'm trying to pick out any BB's in there.. but I think I'm convinced its a wall of Goldbergs. Most of that track sounds pretty vintage though, so I'm wondering if he did the harmonies under Brian's supervision. Brian's voice was also kinda undetectable by that point, so who knows maybe he's in the stack somewhere.
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« Reply #135 on: January 06, 2013, 04:39:11 PM »

DonnyL: Can you tell if the "Out In The Country" backing vocals were recorded in the 70's?

I'm trying to pick out any BB's in there.. but I think I'm convinced its a wall of Goldbergs. Most of that track sounds pretty vintage though, so I'm wondering if he did the harmonies under Brian's supervision. Brian's voice was also kinda undetectable by that point, so who knows maybe he's in the stack somewhere.

sounds like some vintage BBs in there to me ... but possibly Goldberg more than once as well. I don't think it was a full group session though. If I had to guess I think I hear Al and either Carl or Brian in there ... with maybe two Goldbergs, or other non-Beach Boys.
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« Reply #136 on: January 06, 2013, 05:13:13 PM »

Based on the opening line, I'm wondering if "Bitter and Sweet" is the same song as "Funky Fever", the track for which (according to the AFM contract), was cut at Bolec Studio in Inglewood on February 28, 1972, by Brian and David Sandler along with a handful of studio players?

Incidentally, the "artist" listed on that AFM, and the ones for "Out In The Country" from earlier that same month, is "BeachBoys"...my point being these were definitely cut with The Boys in mind.
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« Reply #137 on: January 06, 2013, 08:52:35 PM »

Quite a few things don't add up. The major one being a scholar like Mr. Doe, who has devoted his life to chronicling the works of the Beach Boys, has never heard October these works or this guy.

But stranger things have happened. Maybe the son or someone else is doing the videos and is getting the facts wrong.

Implied kudos appreciated, but actually it proves nothing: "SOMS" came pretty well out of nowhere, likewise the Wild Honey version of "Surf's Up". It's the inconsistent detail that concerns me more... that and the undeniable fact that there are recent overdubs. I'd like to hear the original recordings.
Its not that the songs might have been buried, it's that Goldberg seems unheard of in any BB history. And that Brian would be collaborating with an unknown 21 year old. Just sayin. I'm still skeptical.

Also, he registered 4 cheesy sounding songs with BMI but not the song Mike Love of the Beach Boys recorded. Seems strange.
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« Reply #138 on: January 06, 2013, 09:37:19 PM »

Al's vocal on "Out in the country" is so beautiful..

Would fit quite nicely on disc six of "Made in California"  Grin
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« Reply #139 on: January 06, 2013, 09:48:18 PM »

I made a comment the other day about Out In The Country that went overlooked, so I'll mention it again, as I'm curios if anybody else noticed this. Part of the background harmonies seems to be taken right from the coda of Wouldn't It Be Nice. SO much so, that I wonder if it wasn't actually sampled from the original WIBN Pet Sounds recording. Can anybody else hear it?
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« Reply #140 on: January 06, 2013, 10:30:05 PM »

Its not that the songs might have been buried, it's that Goldberg seems unheard of in any BB history. And that Brian would be collaborating with an unknown 21 year old.

Like he did with David Sandler ?  Actually... I'll ask David if he remembers this guy.
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« Reply #141 on: January 06, 2013, 11:08:47 PM »

I think I prefer the dirge version...

Uh, yeah.

Also, yeah, Brian was actually pretty well known for his fleeting contributions with unknowns. "Teeter Totter Love", the country album he was helping a guy produce (can't think of the name off-hand), the "Amy" version of "Let The Wind Blow", etc. etc. etc. etc. Let's not forget his countless productions in the early 60s outside the Beach Boys too, although most of those folks were obviously a little more established.
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« Reply #142 on: January 06, 2013, 11:11:07 PM »

the country album he was helping a guy produce (can't think of the name off-hand)

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« Reply #143 on: January 07, 2013, 12:14:00 AM »

Its not that the songs might have been buried, it's that Goldberg seems unheard of in any BB history. And that Brian would be collaborating with an unknown 21 year old.

Like he did with David Sandler ?  Actually... I'll ask David if he remembers this guy.

Exactly! You even know David Sandler.
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« Reply #144 on: January 07, 2013, 05:11:07 AM »

Its not that the songs might have been buried, it's that Goldberg seems unheard of in any BB history. And that Brian would be collaborating with an unknown 21 year old.

Like he did with David Sandler ?  Actually... I'll ask David if he remembers this guy.

Exactly! You even know David Sandler.
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« Reply #145 on: January 07, 2013, 05:18:38 AM »

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« Reply #146 on: January 07, 2013, 07:35:56 AM »

OK, had a quick word with David. Interesting. He remembers meeting DG at Brian's house a few times as someone who wanted to work with Brian. However, he wasn't aware of anything that was recorded at the home studio, and thus doesn't recall the tracks in question. Business as usual in the World of Wilson: one question answered, another one thrown up.
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« Reply #147 on: January 07, 2013, 09:12:31 AM »

The problem I have with this being a hoax, however elaborate, is that it's early 70's era Beach Boys -to be brutally honest- outside of us hardcores, not many people are going to give a monkey's about some newly discovered outtake from that era. If you go to youtube, you can end up wading in Beatles fakes - I think there are about 6 different "Carnival of Light"s. It's not going to gather the attention for it to be a good hoax or trick or whatever, especially two that don't even claim or pretend to have Beach Boys singing lead on them.

That being said, for me, the part that stinks is the recent overdubs, there have been far sloppier outtakes (and official products) released by the band and for the sake of a few drum fills seems needless. The only thing I can think is that in the case of "Sweet and Bitter" especially, maybe a "Soulful Old Man Sunshine" job was done (Compiling a master out of loads of different sources) and what we have is something that bares little resemblance to what the intended outcome was to be when it was recorded.

Or a trick of editing where there is more on the track than actually exists (recent overdubs, copying of recorded parts, etc). No one 40-odd years down the line is going to remember an afternoon spent recording a rough vocal to a rough track which was never completed. For example, the Bridge/Chorus section sounds quite alike on both passes (the double track slipping ever so slightly out of sync on  "It" on "It's meant to be" both times.
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« Reply #148 on: January 07, 2013, 09:38:16 AM »

OK, had a quick word with David. Interesting. He remembers meeting DG at Brian's house a few times as someone who wanted to work with Brian. However, he wasn't aware of anything that was recorded at the home studio, and thus doesn't recall the tracks in question. Business as usual in the World of Wilson: one question answered, another one thrown up.

Ok, so at least the dude is confirmed to have known Brian during the time period in question.
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« Reply #149 on: January 07, 2013, 10:36:31 AM »

OK, had a quick word with David. Interesting. He remembers meeting DG at Brian's house a few times as someone who wanted to work with Brian. However, he wasn't aware of anything that was recorded at the home studio, and thus doesn't recall the tracks in question. Business as usual in the World of Wilson: one question answered, another one thrown up.

Ok, so at least the dude is confirmed to have known Brian during the time period in question.
Yes. So he is the real deal, as is the music. Thanks to Mr. Doe for the investigation!
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