The Beach Boys + Wikipedia = Wrinkles

[Andrew G. Doe]

Well if this is the kind of asinine sh*t that's going to be posted -

""Wrinkles" is an unreleased solo recording by Beach Boy Mike Love. It is quote possibly the greatest song of all time."

- then I don't want 10452 associated with it in any way whatsoever. Cute, runners, very cute. One day you might get to be maybe a quarter as funny as you think you are.

[SMiLE Brian]

Well, edit the Wiki then....

[Aegir]

It doesn't even say that anymore anyway.

[Paulos]

Well if this is the kind of asinine sh*t that's going to be posted -

""Wrinkles" is an unreleased solo recording by Beach Boy Mike Love. It is quote possibly the greatest song of all time."

- then I don't want 10452 associated with it in any way whatsoever. Cute, runners, very cute. One day you might get to be maybe a quarter as funny as you think you are.

Please don't blame Runners, that was me.

[Andrew G. Doe]

It doesn't even say that anymore anyway.

Maybe not, but what's to say whomever won't do something similar in the future. Or some other joker. Point is you've all been banging on about getting a proper, decent wiki for the BB up and running, and then some asshat thinks it's amusing to do that. Very classy. Very mature. Well, to quote the sainted Sam Goldwyn, gentlemen, include me out.

[bgas]

It doesn't even say that anymore anyway.

Maybe not, but what's to say whomever won't do something similar in the future. Or some other joker. Point is you've all been banging on about getting a proper, decent wiki for the BB up and running, and then some asshat thinks it's amusing to do that. Very classy. Very mature. Well, to quote the sainted Sam Goldwyn, gentlemen, include me out.

That's just great. Now al the info from 10452 has to be stolen, instead of being sanctioned

[Paulos]

It doesn't even say that anymore anyway.

Maybe not, but what's to say whomever won't do something similar in the future. Or some other joker. Point is you've all been banging on about getting a proper, decent wiki for the BB up and running, and then some asshat thinks it's amusing to do that. Very classy. Very mature. Well, to quote the sainted Sam Goldwyn, gentlemen, include me out.

Name calling isn't very classy or mature either, so me and Runners had a bit of a joke, no-one got hurt or killed and Wrinkles has been removed.

[mikeyj]

I don't know what you guys think but I much prefer something like this:

http://smileysmile.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page

[EgoHanger1966]

I don't know what you guys think but I much prefer something like this:

http://smileysmile.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page

That looks pretty cool - closer to an actual Wikipedia page. Maybe we can start afresh with this one?

[runnersdialzero]

Well if this is the kind of asinine sh*t that's going to be posted -

""Wrinkles" is an unreleased solo recording by Beach Boy Mike Love. It is quote possibly the greatest song of all time."

- then I don't want 10452 associated with it in any way whatsoever. Cute, runners, very cute. One day you might get to be maybe a quarter as funny as you think you are.

I made a placerholder page for "Wrinkles" as per the suggestion of this thread and included a small joke in there that would eventually be lost once things got off the ground. If you or anyone had removed it that line, I wouldn't have done anything for very, very obvious reasons.

There's no need to have such a miserably serious attitude about this, nor do I see why it's necessary to call me out on the "maturity" of such matters and then turn around and call me an asshat over it. Christ almighty. Also, if you want to be in depth, you should probably go ahead with including everything you can, even things as dire as "Wrinkles".

There's a lot I'd like to say right now about your attitude here and in other recent posts, but I'll bite my tongue. I'm sorry you're going through a bad time. I've been through some bad times myself, one of the better examples of which is going on as I type this. However, I don't take it out on others because it's not their fault, and if I slip up and do take it out on others, I make sure I apologize quickly.

Relax, okay?

[Jim V.]

Well if this is the kind of asinine sh*t that's going to be posted -

""Wrinkles" is an unreleased solo recording by Beach Boy Mike Love. It is quote possibly the greatest song of all time."

- then I don't want 10452 associated with it in any way whatsoever. Cute, runners, very cute. One day you might get to be maybe a quarter as funny as you think you are.

I made a placerholder page for "Wrinkles" as per the suggestion of this thread and included a small joke in there that would eventually be lost once things got off the ground. If you or anyone had removed it that line, I wouldn't have done anything for very, very obvious reasons.

There's no need to have such a miserably serious attitude about this, nor do I see why it's necessary to call me out on the "maturity" of such matters and then turn around and call me an asshat over it. Christ almighty. Also, if you want to be in depth, you should probably go ahead with including everything you can, even things as dire as "Wrinkles".

There's a lot I'd like to say right now about your attitude here and in other recent posts, but I'll bite my tongue. I'm sorry you're going through a bad time. I've been through some bad times myself, one of the better examples of which is going on as I type this. However, I don't take it out on others because it's not their fault, and if I slip up and do take it out on others, I make sure I apologize quickly.

Relax, okay?

I'm with you runners. You are interested in getting serious info to the fore, and engage in interesting conversation, but you also like to have a little fun with this stuff sometimes. I don't see what's wrong with that. And I do have something to say, and I won't bite my tongue.

I gotta say that AGD seems to have been edging towards a humorless, Cohen-esque attitude as of late. I myself greatly appreciate all the tidbits of info that he's been able to give us through the years, and maybe it's just the influx of newbies that is bothering him since he feels he has to correct them so much, but instead of coming off as well-informed, he just kinda comes off as way too anal-retentive and obsessed with minutia. I think it's bullshit that he can come on here and basically call people idiots because they got some piece of Beach Boys history wrong. That's a bit overboard. I get the feeling that if I spelled wrote "here" when I should've written "hear" he'd be there correcting me. It's ridiculous. If he's gonna be so incredibly bitchy that he won't let us use his site for a bit of info on the Wiki, then screw it. There's a lot of other places to link. But hopefully we can all just get along.

[I. Spaceman]

Every Beach Boys fan profits from the great work Andrew has done, and he should be respected. A lot of info on his site was first published there, and Keith Badman's book wasn't completed without ripping off his work without proper accreditation. What is being attempted here is an extremely amateur effort, that could be greatly elevated with the cooperation of a professional.

[Jim V.]

Every Beach Boys fan profits from the great work Andrew has done, and he should be respected. A lot of info on his site was first published there, and Keith Badman's book wasn't completed without ripping off his work without proper accreditation. What is being attempted here is an extremely amateur effort, that could be greatly elevated with the cooperation of a professional.

Absolutely agree that he should be be respected. He deserves respect. But I also think those of us who try to participate in discussion here in good faith also deserve respect. Which I don't think he offers a lot of the time. I don't think it's a lot to ask to maybe think that he doesn't have to call us idiots. We all go through problems, and I wish him the best in getting through his tough times right now, but that is no excuse to be an asshole.

And obviously that Wiki page is extremely amateur. But I don't think the Bellagio page is much more than bare bones either. It's not easily navigable and there's a lot of information on there that's either wrong or not up to date.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Every Beach Boys fan profits from the great work Andrew has done, and he should be respected. A lot of info on his site was first published there, and Keith Badman's book wasn't completed without ripping off his work without proper accreditation. What is being attempted here is an extremely amateur effort, that could be greatly elevated with the cooperation of a professional.

Absolutely agree that he should be be respected. He deserves respect. But I also think those of us who try to participate in discussion here in good faith also deserve respect. Which I don't think he offers a lot of the time. I don't think it's a lot to ask to maybe think that he doesn't have to call us idiots. We all go through problems, and I wish him the best in getting through his tough times right now, but that is no excuse to be an asshole.

And obviously that Wiki page is extremely amateur. But I don't think the Bellagio page is much more than bare bones either. It's not easily navigable and there's a lot of information on there that's either wrong or not up to date.

Which Bellagio page are you looking at ? If it's this one -

http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/

- then yes, that's a good four, five years out of date. However, David Beard & ESQ most kindly offered me a home when BT pulled the free hosting plug (with no warning I might add), thus this one -

http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/

 - was last updated maybe 48 hours ago. And if that's the one you are looking at, let me know what's wrong or out of date and I'll fix it asap. Yup, it's clunky. But then, so is the band.  

And yes, it seems the (personal) events of this summer past have impacted on my usually sunny disposition rather more than I'm willing to admit, even to myself. Thankfully, my overall situation has improved markedly over the last few weeks. Guess it's still working its way slowly through my system (and I know my system - not a place to linger): my apologies to all here who have incurred my recent wrath. Gonna take a few days to chill on the coast.

[Dunderhead]

Ugh, I got sick of working on this. Formating these things can be a pain in the ass.

http://smileysmile.wikkii.com/wiki/Heroes_and_Villains

I guess something like that was what I had in mind for the basic template. Not really decided on what all the info should be.

[Dunderhead]

I think if we all pull together we can make a really good wiki.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I think if we all pull together we can make a really good wiki.

If we sung from our hearts, and syncopated.

[mikeyj]

Ugh, I got sick of working on this. Formating these things can be a pain in the ass.

http://smileysmile.wikkii.com/wiki/Heroes_and_Villains

I guess something like that was what I had in mind for the basic template. Not really decided on what all the info should be.

Nice work. I like the idea of having sub-pages for each song and album to avoid clutter. However, I was thinking with the single and album infoboxes that we could just stick with something similar to what Wikipedia uses. I still need to figure out how to insert the chronology down the bottom of the infobox but here is a basic example:

http://smileysmile.wikkii.com/wiki/Good_Vibrations

Regardless of what we end up going with I think we should agree to try and keep the layout as uniform as possible.

[Aegir]

Ugh, I got sick of working on this. Formating these things can be a pain in the ass.

http://smileysmile.wikkii.com/wiki/Heroes_and_Villains

I guess something like that was what I had in mind for the basic template. Not really decided on what all the info should be.

I never knew Billy Hinsche sang on Heroes and Villains!!!!

[Dunderhead]

http://smileysmile.wikkii.com/wiki/Heroes_and_Villains/Sessions

So I updated this a bit and started putting the article together. I think you can see how this might be useful, I could go to the Hal Blaine article and see every song Hal Blaine worked on, I can go to the Western Page and see every session date done there, etc.

[Quzi]

Okay, I've written a few articles which are currently going through the approval motions and I'm about to tidy up the main article to make it less about Brian Wilson and his eternal suffering and more about... well, The Beach Boys. I'm not discounting the wiki you guys are putting together by the way, I think its essential that we have a site where we can add information without fear of it being deleted because of a lack of sources, however I think it's equally essential to tweak damaging/underwritten articles are continuing to propagate the Beach Boys' mythology in lieu of truth. I've done something crazy like 300 edits in the space of a few days, it's great to channel all this obsession into something "productive" 

Also, Andrew, I've just upped the professionalism of your Wikipedia page a notch or two, I hope that cheers you up 

[Dunderhead]

Also, Andrew, I've just upped the professionalism of your Wikipedia page a notch or two, I hope that cheers you up 

That's a sweet article, Andrew definitely deserves our appreciation. We should all chip in and get him something for his birthday 

[Dunderhead]

I'm about to tidy up the main article to make it less about Brian Wilson and his eternal suffering

I think less is more, I'd like it to be something like:

1. 1961-1964
2. 1965-1968
3. 1969-1974
4. 1975-1983
5. 1984-Present

[Quzi]

I agree less is more. I don't see the point in having 3/4s of the page dedicated to the "Why Murry Wilson is a Bad Person" show, if people want to talk about all his conniving deeds, cool, just do it on the Murry Wilson page, because it's just pushing a whole lot of more general information further and further down.

I'm going to try to model it loosely on The Kinks and The Beatles' page formatting. They're both neat featured articles, and they read well. If you want to get into the nitty gritty, they offer links to articles which go into individual events with further depth, which is ideal since the average fan who winds up on "The Beach Boys" probably isn't interested in the intricities of the band's legal disputes.

[Matt H]

Where is the main article, when I go to http://smileysmile.wikkii.com/wiki/Main_Page it is blank.