50 Big Ones (Remixes?)

[Shady]

oh god Wild Honey is AMAZING WHY DON'T THEY RELEASE THE WHOLE DAMN ALBUM!!!!!!!!!???

It's a mystery

[Cabinessenceking]

oh god Wild Honey is AMAZING WHY DON'T THEY RELEASE THE WHOLE DAMN ALBUM!!!!!!!!!???

It's a mystery

they will, but there is no point dumping 10 albums on the market at one time. because these albums are not only reissues, but stereo mixes, they want people to pick up everything. For example, WH would compete with Smiley Smile, many would perhaps not buy both, but give it a year or so, then perhaps one can get more cash from both of them (whih is the ultimate goal). If this is not the case, then capitol might consider WH so worthless than no one would buy a stereo issue anyway. who knows?

[Heysaboda]

oh god Wild Honey is AMAZING WHY DON'T THEY RELEASE THE WHOLE DAMN ALBUM!!!!!!!!!???

It's a mystery

wrapped in a riddle

[Freddie French-Pounce]

incase anyones wondering, a selection of the remasters got taken down, so i took the rest down to save my youtube channel. Sorry 'bout that, but I like me channel as it is.

[Cabinessenceking]

I am shocked disgusted, that there is no single version of California, R'nR Music, It's OK and Here Comes The Night (1979) on 50BO.

[Pretty Funky]

Sorry if this has been discussed already.  I just found this stereo remix of "Darlin" from the 50 Big Ones Greatest Hits set, and was blown away!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeXHu5-Y_cY

Does anybody have more info on this thing?  Are there other new stereo remixes?  Or anything else new, period?

Uh... try reading the liner notes ?

Those in the US are looking forward to doing so......Oct 9

[Al Jardine: Pick Up Artist]

Hmmm.

Is PLMW from the 2012 mix of Today!? It sounds a lot worse than the one released a few years ago.

Or I'm going insane, and it's the same one.

[grillo]

Hmmm.

Is PLMW from the 2012 mix of Today!? It sounds a lot worse than the one released a few years ago.

Or I'm going insane, and it's the same one.

I don't know, but I've always thought the stereo mix of PLMW sounded kinda out of sync, definitely too mid-rangy and the organ bass is almost inaudible. For some reason those mono mixes from 64-67 sound so fuckin full I think all the stereo mixes (except Pet Sounds) are way lacking.

[Freddie French-Pounce]

Hmmm.

Is PLMW from the 2012 mix of Today!? It sounds a lot worse than the one released a few years ago.

Or I'm going insane, and it's the same one.

I don't know, but I've always thought the stereo mix of PLMW sounded kinda out of sync, definitely too mid-rangy and the organ bass is almost inaudible. For some reason those mono mixes from 64-67 sound so f***in full I think all the stereo mixes (except Pet Sounds) are way lacking.

They've re mixed the mono mix too - it sounds like a mono stereo mix (if that makes sense)

[Cabinessenceking]

The new mixes for WH and Darlin' are slightly disappointing for me in terms of stereo release. I just feel they are hardly stereo at all when I hear them next to the new stereo Smiley material. They sound more conservative, as if longing to be refreshed mono mixes rather than fullblown stereo like on Smiley. The sound is MUCH cleaner and buried instruments (most notably the trumpet on the second verse in Darlin') and harmonies pop out better which is ofc great in any respect, but there is little stereo seperation which makes me wonder why they mixed them in such a conservative fashion?

[drbeachboy]

I think Darlin' sounds terrific. Geez, the opening vocals jump right out at you. It is the rare stereo mix that actually sounds punchier than its mono counterpart. The fact the horns can he heard in the second verse says the stereo really separates the instrumentation. With Wild Honey, I really enjoy hearing those clear, crisp background vocals. They are near buried in the mono mix. I am quite happy with the way both turned out. Cheers to Mark Linett!

[runnersdialzero]

I am shocked disgusted, that there is no single version of California, R'nR Music, It's OK and Here Comes The Night (1979) on 50BO.

"Californa" single mix is said to be in poor shape, R'nR music fair enough, It's OK isn't so much a remix as it is very slightly sped up (thus why bother?), and HCTN79, ehhhh.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I don't understand why they were used on the Best of the Brother Years comp, then.

[runnersdialzero]

They've re mixed the mono mix too - it sounds like a mono stereo mix (if that makes sense)

I think it's just remastered, not remixed. It'd be noted in the insert if it were.

I don't understand why they were used on the Best of the Brother Years comp, then.

"California" sounds like dicks on there, though, and it's not due to being a poor mix. "It's OK" is okay as a completist, but just sounds odd in comparison to the original. Feels unnecessary - the songs really should just be presented in their best form.

[Runaways]

some of the stereo mixes/remasters are pretty narrow for stereo.  Like Linett was going for a stereo mix circa 1965.  PLMW on Summer Love Songs was a lot wider I thought. 

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

They've re mixed the mono mix too - it sounds like a mono stereo mix (if that makes sense)

I think it's just remastered, not remixed. It'd be noted in the insert if it were.

I don't understand why they were used on the Best of the Brother Years comp, then.

"California" sounds like dicks on there, though, and it's not due to being a poor mix. "It's OK" is okay as a completist, but just sounds odd in comparison to the original. Feels unnecessary - the songs really should just be presented in their best form.

I never noticed an issue with 'California' or 'Rock and Roll Music' on that comp, but I hate the single mix of 'It's Ok'. The speed change just sounds off to me

[EgoHanger1966]

some of the stereo mixes/remasters are pretty narrow for stereo.  Like Linett was going for a stereo mix circa 1965.  PLMW on Summer Love Songs was a lot wider I thought. 

That's the thing - 60s stereo mixes were wide! To have them be narrow may make 'em sound more like the mono mix, but a traditional hard left/right/vocal center thing is really a more accurate (and 'honest', to my ears) route.

[Freddie French-Pounce]

They've re mixed the mono mix too - it sounds like a mono stereo mix (if that makes sense)

I think it's just remastered, not remixed. It'd be noted in the insert if it were.

I don't understand why they were used on the Best of the Brother Years comp, then.

"California" sounds like dicks on there, though, and it's not due to being a poor mix. "It's OK" is okay as a completist, but just sounds odd in comparison to the original. Feels unnecessary - the songs really should just be presented in their best form.

I never noticed an issue with 'California' or 'Rock and Roll Music' on that comp, but I hate the single mix of 'It's Ok'. The speed change just sounds off to me

my 45's of the above (UK copies) doesn't feature the single mix of California, but does for R&RMusic. It's O.K. is unsure to me, it has alot more punch in the Bass kicks, but it sounds the same speed to me - or is my turntable too slow (45 can be questionable sometimes).

Which makes me ask the other question, does the "California Saga (California): Sail On, Sailor/Marcella: I'm The Pied  Piper" EP thing have the single mix or not?

[Cabinessenceking]

I am shocked disgusted, that there is no single version of California, R'nR Music, It's OK and Here Comes The Night (1979) on 50BO.

"Californa" single mix is said to be in poor shape, R'nR music fair enough, It's OK isn't so much a remix as it is very slightly sped up (thus why bother?), and HCTN79, ehhhh.

I was joking about the last one  tbh none of this made very much difference other than California and RnR!

[lance]

Personally I don't agree that Linnett should be doing ultra-wide 'sixties style' mixes.

[GuyOnTheBeach]

I always wondered, in cases when the master is f*cked, such as the master for the single mix of "California" (IIRC the title track for The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper album is beyond playable too and every remaster from the 80's C.D onwards are sourced from a dub), why they don't just go back to the multis and  make an identical mix.

[SloopJohnB52]

For recordings made in the sixties, I feel it's only appropriate that they should be mixed the same way as was done at the time:  W-I-D-E STEREO!  The new stereo mixes on the album reissues and compilations are so narrow, they shouldn't have even bothered.  If SMiLE ever comes out in stereo, I'm afraid it will be narrow as well.  (I'm currently working on a super-wide "Wonderful" mix that hopefully will be faithful to that style).

[drbeachboy]

I always wondered, in cases when the master is f*cked, such as the master for the single mix of "California" (IIRC the title track for The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper album is beyond playable too and every remaster from the 80's C.D onwards are sourced from a dub), why they don't just go back to the multis and  make an identical mix.

All those tunes on the Brother Years are digital. Adding them to 50 Big Ones would have been no problem. Except for futzing, they would sound the same as on the 2000 CD. To me there is no excuse not to include them, except that they didn't want to use those single versions.

[lance]

For recordings made in the sixties, I feel it's only appropriate that they should be mixed the same way as was done at the time:  W-I-D-E STEREO!  The new stereo mixes on the album reissues and compilations are so narrow, they shouldn't have even bothered.  If SMiLE ever comes out in stereo, I'm afraid it will be narrow as well.  (I'm currently working on a super-wide "Wonderful" mix that hopefully will be faithful to that style).

Yeah see, I don't agree with that or follow the logic. Why? so we can fantasize we're actually listening in 1965 to a contemporary stereo mix that in reality never existed?
I'm not looking to start a fight, I just don't see the problem, personally. I like most of Linnett's mixes, though I haven't heard the latest ones yet. A few of the Today mixes I've heard were not that great but otherwise, I like them. I think the point of the (new) stereo mixes is to hear the music in a way we haven't heard before, to get more details and such; so that's why I am not bothered if they are 'wide' or 'narrow'. But, to each their own, I'm not an audiophile to nearly the extent that some of y'all are, so...

If they were going for authenticity they'd probably have the backing track in mono and the double tracked vocals on either side of the stereo, Chuck Britz style. Chuck Britz's mixes sound like crap to me.

[Rocker]

Was this already posted? "Remixing GV to stereo"-report

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyk9GKFasjY