If the Reverbation and Add Some Music albums were released instead of Sunflower

[EthanJames]

I've wonder for a while now, what if Sunflower was not released and instead Reverbation and also Add Some Music were released?

[Cabinessenceking]

give me a tracklist to work with, then I might have some ideas/opinions!

[EthanJames]

give me a tracklist to work with, then I might have some ideas/opinions!

Reverberation________________________________________________________________
Cotten Fields
Loop De Loop
All I Wanna Do
Got to Know The Woman
When Girls Get Together
Break Away
San Miguel
Celebrate The News
Deirdre
The Lord's Prayer
Forver

Add Some Music________________________________________________________________
Susie Cincinnati
Good Time
Our Sweet Love
Tears In The Morning
Slip On Through
Add Some Music To Your Day
Take A Load Off Your Feet
This Whole World
I Just Got My Pay
At My Window
Fallin' In Love

[Nicko1234]

They would both have been failures as Sunflower was.

Neither of those albums is bad though and I doubt it would have changed the band`s career that much.

[runnersdialzero]

I can't justify the release of "I Just Got My Pay" if it would have meant no "Marcella" later on. Otherwise, I'm iffy on these tracklists as is (especially the song order), but I think there was enough material lying around to come up with two solid albums.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

They were right to rework the lineup. The label should have intervened more often and alerted the group when they were making boneheaded decisions (see also: Carl & The Passions).

[rogerlancelot]

They were right to rework the lineup. The label should have intervened more often and alerted the group when they were making boneheaded decisions (see also: Carl & The Passions).

What do you suggest for a better line-up for C&TP? I'm so used to hearing it as it is in the order it is so I would be curious to see how you would break it up. Here's an idea, we have 4 separate entities, right?
#1) Brian (sort of): YNAMOHTSA and Marcella
#2) Blondie & Rikki: Here She Comes and Hold On, Dear Brother
#3) Dennis: Make It Good and Cuddle Up
#4) Al, Mike, Carl (possibly Brian): He Come Down and All This Is That

So how about breaking them up per side. Here is a rough example:

Side A:
1) You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone
2) Here She Comes
3) Make It Good
4) All This Is That

Side B:
1) Marcella
2) He Come Down
3) Hold On Dear Brother
4) Cuddle Up

Still doesn't flow right for me. Got a better suggestion?

[MarcellaHasDirtyFeet]

They were right to rework the lineup. The label should have intervened more often and alerted the group when they were making boneheaded decisions (see also: Carl & The Passions).

I cannot stand idly by whilst C&TP is spoken of poorly!

Although the marketing, title and presentation might have been... ill advised, I love that album with every ounce of my being.

[Sheriff John Stone]

Side A:
1) You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone
2) Here She Comes
3) Make It Good
4) All This Is That

Side B:
1) Marcella
2) He Come Down
3) Hold On Dear Brother
4) Cuddle Up

Still doesn't flow right for me. Got a better suggestion?

I use this sequence. I like the flow:

Side A

1. Here She Comes
2. Marcella
3. All This Is That
4. Make It Good

Side B

5. You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone
6. Hold On Dear Brother
7. He Come Down
8. Cuddle Up

[I. Spaceman]

They were right to rework the lineup.  

A rare disagreement. I'd rather the album have more closely mirrored the true, splintered musical directions of the group, and particularly Brian, more than the slick and deceptively "together", Vaseline-on-the-lens sheen of the final product. But I feel the same way about The Beatles' Abbey Road.

[I. Spaceman]

Side A:
1) You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone
2) Here She Comes
3) Make It Good
4) All This Is That

Side B:
1) Marcella
2) He Come Down
3) Hold On Dear Brother
4) Cuddle Up

Still doesn't flow right for me. Got a better suggestion?

I use this sequence. I like the flow:

Side A

1. Here She Comes
2. Marcella
3. All This Is That
4. Make It Good

Side B

5. You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone
6. Hold On Dear Brother
7. He Come Down
8. Cuddle Up

Here's mine:

Side A:

1. You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone
2. Marcella


Side B:

1. Make It Good
2. Cuddle Up

[Myk Luhv]

I still don't think Sunflower holds together very well as a cohesive album -- it might not be as bad as 20/20 but you definitely grasp that they're at odds with each other in terms of musical tastes.

[I. Spaceman]

I still don't think Sunflower holds together very well as a cohesive album -- it might not be as bad as 20/20 but you definitely grasp that they're at odds with each other in terms of musical tastes.

It is very of a piece sonically thanks to Mr. Desper, but yeah, it is a false sense of cohesion, in my opinion. And the album cover is Captain & Tennille level sap.

[Aegir]

I like the album cover just because it means I could have an album signed by Brian, Al, Mike, Bruce... and also Christian Love and Matt Jardine. (Because they're Beach Boys sidemen AND they're on the album cover! Continuity, man.)

[EthanJames]

I like the album cover just because it means I could have an album signed by Brian, Al, Mike, Bruce... and also Christian Love and Matt Jardine. (Because they're Beach Boys sidemen AND they're on the album cover! Continuity, man.)

Yea I like the album cover as well, I don't see how people could not like that album cover, hey it couldn't be as worse as many other album covers they had 

[Aegir]

and childless Bruce, whose sings about his woman leaving him and taking his baby.

[EthanJames]

and childless Bruce, whose sings about his woman leaving him and taking his baby.

I don't know if this is referring to me or not, if it is just stop its just getting really immature now -_- not trying to start problems but just stop with it okay? that's all I ask, if it's actually referring to me, if not than I'm sorry.

[Aegir]

I actually have no idea what you're talking about. on the Sunflower album cover everyone is pictured with their children. Bruce didn't have any children at the time so of course there were none standing by him on the album cover.

"Tears in the Morning", about a breakup, contains the line, "hope you love the baby I'm never gonna see", so the character in that song had a child with a woman and she took child with her.

sorry if that somehow came off as making fun of you or something, though I'm not quite sure how it could've.

[EthanJames]

I actually have no idea what you're talking about. on the Sunflower album cover everyone is pictured with their children. Bruce didn't have any children at the time so of course there were none standing by him on the album cover.

"Tears in the Morning", about a breakup, contains the line, "hope you love the baby I'm never gonna see", so the character in that song had a child with a woman and she took child with her.

sorry if that somehow came off as making fun of you or something, though I'm not quite sure how it could've.

Ohh, sorry about that I actually thought it was some joke about me.

[Jukka]

My guess: they would have sold just as poorly. The only difference would be that the album wouldn't be revered as highly by fans as it is now. It would be another Surf's Up, parts great and parts something else. in fact, it could be more interesting, but not as solid.

[Cabinessenceking]

give me a tracklist to work with, then I might have some ideas/opinions!

Reverberation________________________________________________________________
Cotten Fields
Loop De Loop
All I Wanna Do
Got to Know The Woman
When Girls Get Together
Break Away
San Miguel
Celebrate The News
Deirdre
The Lord's Prayer
Forver

Add Some Music________________________________________________________________
Susie Cincinnati
Good Time
Our Sweet Love
Tears In The Morning
Slip On Through
Add Some Music To Your Day
Take A Load Off Your Feet
This Whole World
I Just Got My Pay
At My Window
Fallin' In Love

I think we should all be VERY glad none of these got accepted. Reverberation is outright horrendous given the inclusion of the utterly obnoxious Loop De Loop, the less-than-interesting Cotton Fields (which would probably be in mono, screwing up everything, and had already appeared on 20/20), the up-beat but low flying San Miguel and Celebrate The News which should remain a single only. I think When Girls Get Together is far superior to the existing Bruce material on Sunflower.

Perhaps my ideal sequence would be like:

Side A:
Add Some Music To Your Day
This Whole World
Got To Know The Woman
Our Sweet Love (hate the lyrics man, but still good song)
When Girls Get Together
It's About Time

Side B:
Slip On Through
All I Wanna Do
Forever
At My Window
Falling In Love
Cool Cool Water

[Smilin Ed H]

I'd rather they just extended Sunflower with a fewe of the better tracks they had at the time.

[EgoHanger1966]

According to AGD's site, it appears that San Miguel was recorded in time to be released on 20/20. Could it have been mixed in time to appear on that album? I can see it fitting there rather than on Reverb./Sunflower/etc.

Ditto "Do It Again" was recorded before the release of Friends, but was it mixed in time to be released on Friends?

[I. Spaceman]

and childless Bruce, whose sings about his woman leaving him and taking his baby.

I don't know if this is referring to me or not, if it is just stop its just getting really immature now -_- not trying to start problems but just stop with it okay? that's all I ask, if it's actually referring to me, if not than I'm sorry.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EthanJames]

and childless Bruce, whose sings about his woman leaving him and taking his baby.

I don't know if this is referring to me or not, if it is just stop its just getting really immature now -_- not trying to start problems but just stop with it okay? that's all I ask, if it's actually referring to me, if not than I'm sorry.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow that was un called for ...

anyhow I think the track listening is decent but could be a little better as well