"Made in California" Box Set

[Nicko1234]

Well, that's not what I heard. I heard from a very very reliable source it was Mike this time around on this box.

That doesn`t mean he is the only one who is allowed to though does it which is what AGD was saying. If Al or Brian or whoever wanted to veto one of their own or Mike`s songs then they could.

[drbeachboy]

Mike is ultimately the one who says yay or nay for the tracks on the boxset. He said he wants it to be more Beach Boys than just an anthology of BW products. So maybe we'll get Country Pie? Or some others from First Love?

No, he's not. Any voting member of BRI can veto any suggested track, just as they did with the 1993 box (Where Carl, Alan & Brian all nixed material) and WOTS (Mike).

Well, that's not what I heard. I heard from a very very reliable source it was Mike this time around on this box.

Did Alan or someone involved tell you that, or did you hear it from a friend of a friend of a friend, like over at the Hoffman board?

[Andrew G. Doe]

No, he's not. Any voting member of BRI can veto any suggested track, just as they did with the 1993 box (Where Carl, Alan & Brian all nixed material) and WOTS (Mike).

Which songs were vetoed?

Soulful Old Man Sunshine?
Let Him Run Wild?
Loop de Loop?

What did Mike veto?

He vetoed WIBNTLA from WOTS, the moron.

I would have done the same thing. It's far less appropriate in that setting than on a box set largely consisting of unreleased material

And, pray tell, who told you that more than half the tracks on a 6CD box will be previously unreleased ?  Allow me to answer for you - no-one did. Because it's not the case.

[onkster]

"Let Him Run Wild" was nixed by Brian himself, no?

I still think he's way wrong on that one. Something tells me Mike told him it was too girly, and made fun of him for it. (Unless of course it was Murry.)

What a friggin' fantastic, perfect vocal, though.

[Andrew G. Doe]

"Let Him Run Wild" was nixed by Brian himself, no?

I still think he's way wrong on that one. Something tells me Mike told him it was too girly, and made fun of him for it. (Unless of course it was Murry.)

What a friggin' fantastic, perfect vocal, though.

Yeah, that goddam Mike Love - everything that the band ever did wrong, or went amiss, is his doing, and his alone. His fault Dennis drowned... hell, I'll bet he even gave Carl cancer and caused Murry's heart attack. Is there no limit to his evil ? I'll wager the Bloo was really his idea too.

[Disney Boy (1985)]

No, he's not. Any voting member of BRI can veto any suggested track, just as they did with the 1993 box (Where Carl, Alan & Brian all nixed material) and WOTS (Mike).

Which songs were vetoed?

Soulful Old Man Sunshine?
Let Him Run Wild?
Loop de Loop?

What did Mike veto?

He vetoed WIBNTLA from WOTS, the moron.

I would have done the same thing. It's far less appropriate in that setting than on a box set largely consisting of unreleased material

And, pray tell, who told you that more than half the tracks on a 6CD box will be previously unreleased ?  Allow me to answer for you - no-one did. Because it's not the case.

Not the case? So that means we're either going to get a) less than 3 CDs worth of previously unreleased material (i.e. not more than half), otherwise it's b) the entire box will be previously unreleased material (nice, but unlikely).

[BergenWhitesMoustache]

And, pray tell, who told you that more than half the tracks on a 6CD box will be previously unreleased ?  Allow me to answer for you - no-one did. Because it's not the case.

Don't talk to me like that you rude little man. It's totally uncalled for.

I didn't even SAY I know that's what the box is going to be like...just said it would be better than sticking it on some random comp.

The smile you send out returns to you. Or whatever.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Look at it logically (hard for some, I grant, but try...): the 1993 box was, essentially, 4 CDs. Did the unreleased material on those four amount to two CDs worth ? No.

My guess - and it's no more than that, before anyone jumps to conclusions - is that the new box will consist of the Top 40 hits, the classics, more deep catalog cuts than before, tracks representative of the period 1988-2012 and some new archive cuts, hopefully including the ones we've been banging on about for, oh, years. Maybe a solo track or two apiece. More Smile material.

[Disney Boy (1985)]

That dreaded phrase: ''tracks representative of the period 1988-2012''

[Andrew G. Doe]

And, pray tell, who told you that more than half the tracks on a 6CD box will be previously unreleased ?  Allow me to answer for you - no-one did. Because it's not the case.

Don't talk to me like that you rude little man. It's totally uncalled for.

I didn't even SAY I know that's what the box is going to be like...just said it would be better than sticking it on some random comp.

The smile you send out returns to you. Or whatever.

You checked the title of this thread recently ?  It's concerned with the upcoming new box set. I assumed, naively, that this was the box you were referring to. I apologise for granting you the facility of logical thought.

[onkster]

"Let Him Run Wild" was nixed by Brian himself, no?

I still think he's way wrong on that one. Something tells me Mike told him it was too girly, and made fun of him for it. (Unless of course it was Murry.)

What a friggin' fantastic, perfect vocal, though.

Yeah, that goddam Mike Love - everything that the band ever did wrong, or went amiss, is his doing, and his alone. His fault Dennis drowned... hell, I'll bet he even gave Carl cancer and caused Murry's heart attack. Is there no limit to his evil ? I'll wager the Bloo was really his idea too.

OK, OK, maybe Mike didn't say that. Maybe it was Murry. Maybe it was just Brian, unbidden by outside castigation. I just have a hard time thinking that a guy could deliberately record a vocal that beautiful, then years later start getting down on himself for being too girly or too unmanly without having somebody bug him to prompt that. There are bunches of interviews in the 70s where he seems to have become worried and revisionist about his wonderful falsetto/soprano singing in the past.

I'm not a person who says Mike Love is evil incarnate and responsible for all the world's ills--but hey: it's undeniably true that he has put his foot in his own mouth rather poorly a number of times. (His LA Times article this week being a MAJOR exception.) Once again, it could've been Murry. Maybe it was the Surfer Nazi, who knows.

Jesus, AGD, I'm merely suggesting the possibility. Don't start putting words in my mouth.

[Nicko1234]

You checked the title of this thread recently ?  It's concerned with the upcoming new box set. I assumed, naively, that this was the box you were referring to. I apologise for granting you the facility of logical thought.

Are you experimenting with the dosage or something?

[BergenWhitesMoustache]

Doe,

You can't understand the difference between hopeful speculation and making a claim regarding the actual contents of a box set that hasn't even been released yet?

You're the guy who has a problem with logical thought.  

If hanging out on Beach Boys forums makes you unhappy/grumpy/unpleasant, perhaps you should try some other pursuits.

[Jason]

All of you either take it to PMs or you're all going to be banned.

[Nicko1234]

Getting back on topic...

I too am glad that WIBNTLA wasn`t included on the WOTS compilation. Compilations shouldn`t include just 1 unreleased track imo as it is taking the proverbial out of the fans (not that I`m saying that was Mike`s reasoning).

For the upcoming box-set I would hope that they wouldn`t include much solo material (if any at all). I suppose though that there could be some huge gaps in the 1988-2012 period if they didn`t. So maybe things like Cool Head, Warm Heart and one or two Brian things might appear. Along with Don`t Fight the Sea from Al`s album I guess.

[Andrew G. Doe]

"Let Him Run Wild" was nixed by Brian himself, no?

I still think he's way wrong on that one. Something tells me Mike told him it was too girly, and made fun of him for it. (Unless of course it was Murry.)

What a friggin' fantastic, perfect vocal, though.

Yeah, that goddam Mike Love - everything that the band ever did wrong, or went amiss, is his doing, and his alone. His fault Dennis drowned... hell, I'll bet he even gave Carl cancer and caused Murry's heart attack. Is there no limit to his evil ? I'll wager the Bloo was really his idea too.

OK, OK, maybe Mike didn't say that. Maybe it was Murry. Maybe it was just Brian, unbidden by outside castigation. I just have a hard time thinking that a guy could deliberately record a vocal that beautiful, then years later start getting down on himself for being too girly or too unmanly without having somebody bug him to prompt that. There are bunches of interviews in the 70s where he seems to have become worried and revisionist about his wonderful falsetto/soprano singing in the past.

I'm not a person who says Mike Love is evil incarnate and responsible for all the world's ills--but hey: it's undeniably true that he has put his foot in his own mouth rather poorly a number of times. (His LA Times article this week being a MAJOR exception.) Once again, it could've been Murry. Maybe it was the Surfer Nazi, who knows.

Jesus, AGD, I'm merely suggesting the possibility. Don't start putting words in my mouth.

Brian's on record as saying he hates the vocal because he rushed it and he thinks sounds like a girl.

[onkster]

If it's a good mixture of released/unreleased/remixed like the GV set, I'll be happy.

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

Funny because it's amazing  

[onkster]

Jesus, AGD, I'm merely suggesting the possibility. Don't start putting words in my mouth.
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Brian's on record as saying he hates the vocal because he rushed it and he thinks sounds like a girl.
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I've heard the "girl" comment, but not the "rushed" comment. Is the "rushed" thing a really obscure quote? I haven't read it. But I haven't read absolutely everything, so my bad.

I was lumping the "girl" thing ("petulant" was used also in that quote, yes?) in with that spate of comments about his falsetto/soprano in general. I was drawing a speculative conclusion about all that.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Interview for the 1993 box set, I think. Can't quote exactly but he said something like "I rushed my vocal on that, maybe I was late for a bowling date or something".

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

All of you either take it to PMs or you're all going to be banned.

Agreed.

It seems like we're all on edge lately. Too much negativity, too much hostility. It stops now. I don't care *who* it is, it ends here.

[Disney Boy (1985)]

Interview for the 1993 box set, I think. Can't quote exactly but he said something like "I rushed my vocal on that, maybe I was late for a bowling date or something".

Realise i'm in the minority here, but i agree with Brian on this, always have - his vocal is too shrill. Great song, but his vocal stops it being a favourite for me - and i'm someone who otherwise adores Brian's early singing voice.

[Menace Wilson]

"Let Him Run Wild" is one of my absolute favorite pre-Pet Sounds BBs tunes, and I think B-Dub's voice sounds amazing on it.  I've never understood his dislike for his vocal.

If it's a good mixture of released/unreleased/remixed like the GV set, I'll be happy.

 

Me too.

[Rocker]

wait what? are you all saying there exists BW version of You've lost that lovin' feeling? in addition to our beloved BB cover of Just once in my life? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeMhUNd439s

Well I guess we don't need it on the box set now.  It's on Youtube.  And it's pretty awful.

Youtube is no substitute for cd quality!!!
But, yeah, I don't think it's any great shakes. Especially compared to the, um, righteousness of the original version.

Really guys? I'm kinda surprised. I think Brian's version of "You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'" is one of the best unreleased things I've heard from The Beach Boys vault. It's a great performance by Brian, and crazy as it sounds, I might even prefer his version to the Righteous Brothers, as wonderful as their version is.

i think Brian's version is good but not very much more. I like the piano sound. Presley's version of that song beats any I've ever heard, though.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I freakin' LOVE Brian's version of that cut. I too prefer it to the original, and to me is one of Brian's last otherwordly vocals.