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For such an original fellow, Brian really "ripped off" a lot of songs and musicians. Or at least knowingly borrowed something from a lot of songs and musicians or even other things. Maybe this will be interesting or maybe not, but I propose making a list of either confirmed or alledged "inspirations" of Brian's that led to songs.
I'll start:
Sweet Little Sixteen => Surfin' USA
When You Wish Upon a Star => Surfer Girl
The Boy from New York City => The Girl from New York City
Ticket to Ride => Girl Don't Tell Me
Watermelon Man => Our Car Club
"Bacharach" => Let's go away for Awhile
James Bond Movies => Pet Sounds
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2006, 12:47:25 PM » |
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Their Hearts Were Full of Spring => A Young Man Is Gone
Save the Last Dance for Me => Heroes and Villains
Mountain of Love => Little Children
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2006, 12:58:29 PM » |
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I thought "Girl Don't tell Me" was recorded before "Ticket to Ride" was released. However, I'm far to lazy to go look up recording and release dates.
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2006, 01:02:56 PM » |
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That's why I allowed "alledged" inspirations on the list. For the sake of interest, you know. But in any case:
Girl Don't Tell Me: April 30, '65.
Ticket to Ride: Feb 15, '65.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2006, 02:36:45 PM » |
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Good topic. Two points: I would say that there was even more "inspiration" flowing back the other way, when you look at how copied Brian was (particularly "Surfin USA") , but also that I think most songwriters work this way. eg:
"Ticket To Ride"=>"Mr. Tambourine Man"
Or at least they have said they were copying the Byrds.
The Beatles (particularly McCartney) have been among the most forthright in saying that a lot of their songs sprung from other peoples' work. McCartney revealed fairly recently that he cribbed the intro to "In My Life" from "Tracks Of My Tears" which suddenly seemed obvious.
Lastly, I would have said:
"Bacharach"=> "Guess I'm Dumb"
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2006, 02:41:36 PM » |
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And there's Brian's homage/obsession with "Shortenin' Bread" on several songs...
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2006, 02:42:02 PM » |
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but also that I think most songwriters work this way. Well, goodness knows I do. Not that I'm a songwriter. |
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2006, 03:00:14 PM » |
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Two Monkees examples: "Last Train To Clarksville" sprang from "Paperback Writer" (including a misheard lyric, but also musically) and when they thought the Goffin/King demo of "Pleasant Valley Sunday" needed a riff, they modelled the one they added on George Harrison's "I Want To Tell You".
Those are more specific swipes than some of the ones mentioned here; except maybe the "Save the Last Dance"/"Heroes And Villains" example, which is similar.
McCartney also said he took his bass part for "I Saw Her Standing There" wholesale from a Chuck Berry song ("You Can't Catch Me"?) and added, "So you see, a bass part doesn't have to be original to be great." (approximate quote).
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2006, 03:05:18 PM » |
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Another Brian one:
Palisades Park => Amusement Parks USA
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2006, 03:17:04 PM » |
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One of the biggest swipes ever would have been Dennis' outro, if it had been used, on the Christmas album (though that's not strictly a song-swipe).
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2006, 03:19:33 PM » |
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Get a Job (by the Silhouettes)---> Night Bloomin' Jasmine
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« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2006, 03:36:44 PM » |
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For that matter,
"Get a Job" (by the Silhouettes)--->"She's Goin' Bald"
...but I'd be tempted to call that more parody than lift.
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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2006, 03:38:04 PM » |
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Twinkle Twinkle Little Star = And Your Dream Comes True . . . (Ha!)
And let's not forget . . . Brian didn't invent the harmonies either. He simply put his own spin on the complex vocal blends of groups like the Four Freshmen.
But that's what it's all about . . . putting your own spin on Rock 'n Roll.
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« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2006, 04:14:44 PM » |
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River deep mountain high - > Heroes & Villains (the bass)
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2006, 04:45:58 PM » |
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Roll Over Beethoven => Fun, Fun, Fun.
Makes you wonder how anyone could take the Beach Boys seriously for a while.
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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2006, 05:04:13 PM » |
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Baa Baa Black Sheep ---> And Your Dream Comes True
Of course, there's a whole other topic concerning Brian's self-plagarizing too...
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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2006, 08:07:53 PM » |
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some of these are getting rediculous. Palisades park and Amusment park USA?  Come on........ thats pretty weak if you ask me |
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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2006, 01:48:01 AM » |
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"Release Me" - outro to "Fun, Fun, Fun"
"Papa Oom Mow Mow" - Water Chant
"Barbara Ann/Rock Around The Clock" - intro to "I Get Around"
"Swanee River" - "Surfin Down The Swanee River"
"Underwater" - chorus to "Do It Again"
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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2006, 02:57:19 AM » |
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Palisades park and Amusment park USA?Huh
Come on........
thats pretty weak if you ask me Have you heard the original PP, with the descending organ riff? It's copied pretty closely in Amusement Parks, just slower. The songs themselves don't really sound anything alike, but I think it's a pretty clear reference to Palisades Park. Just a little wink. |
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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2006, 01:42:31 PM » |
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Be My Baby = Don't Worry Baby
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San Miguel ---> Someone To Love (from Sweet Insanity)  |
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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2006, 04:26:07 PM » |
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Be My Baby = Don't Worry Baby
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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2006, 04:08:00 PM » |
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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2006, 06:42:02 PM » |
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Be My Baby = Don't Worry Baby
it never occured to me! I am in shock. Listen to how they play the live version on the In Concert CD. |
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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2006, 06:20:41 AM » |
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I once heard an old doo-wop-number that reminded me very much of "Gettin' in over my head". I don't remember the name of the group or song. I try to remember, but maybe someone other knows
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