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Question: Favorite Non-Beach Boys Collaborator
Van Dyke Parks
Terry Melcher
Joe Thomas
Jack Rieley
Roger Christian
Gary Usher
Tony Asher
Ron Altbach
Geoffrey Cushing-Murray
Bob Norberg
Steve Kalinich
Gregg Jakobson
Gary Winfrey
Tandyn Almer
Darryl Dragon
Randy Bachman
Myrna Smith-Schilling
John Phillips
Larry Millas
Jim Peterik
Jon Bon Jovi
Eugene Landy

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« on: July 26, 2012, 08:36:38 PM »

Decided to make a list of non-Beach Boys who have collaborated on songs with Beach Boys members that were released on official albums. Unfortunately it left off songs like Breakaway, but for the sake of brevity and sanity, I needed an end point. I was somewhat inspired by the "After the members, who was the most important person to the band" thread.

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Van Dyke Parks: (12)
Heroes and Villains
Vegetables
Sheís Goiní Bald
Wonderful
Cabinessence
Surfís Up
Sail On, Sailor
Do You Like Worms (Roll Plymouth Rock)
Iím in Great Shape
Barnyard
Child Is Father of the Man
Wind Chimes

Terry Melcher: (11)
Getcha Back
Still Cruisiní
Somewhere Near Japan
Kokomo
Make It Big
Summer of Love
Island Fever
Still Surfiní
Strange Things Happen
Lahaina Aloha
Summer in Paradise

Joe Thomas: (11)
Think About the Days
Thatís Why God Made the Radio
Isnít It Time
Spring Vacation
The Private Life of Bill and Sue
Shelter
Beaches in Mind
Strange World
From There to Back Again
Pacific Coast Highway
Summerís Gone

Jack Rieley: (10)
Long Promised Road
Feel Flows
A Day in the Life of a Tree
You Need a Mess of Help to Stand Alone
Marcella
Sail On, Sailor
Steamboat
The Trader
Funky Pretty
Radio King Dom

Roger Christian: (9)
Shut Down
Little Deuce Coupe
Ballad of Oleí Betsy
Car Crazy Cutie
Cherry, Cherry Coupe
Spirit of America
No-Go Showboat
Donít Worry Baby
In the Parkiní Lot

Gary Usher: (8 )
County Fair
Ten Little Indians
Chug-A-Lug
409
Lonely Sea
In My Room
Pop, Pop Play Girl
Weíll Run Away

Tony Asher: (8 )
Wouldnít It Be Nice
You Still Believe in Me
Thatís Not Me
Donít Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder)
God Only Knows
Here Today
I Just Wasnít Made for These Times
Caroline, No

Ron Altbach: (4)
Sheís Got Rhythem
Belles of Paris
Winds of Change
Lady Lynda

Geoffrey Cushing-Murray: (4)
Full Sail
Angel Come Home
Love Surrounds Me
Goiní South

Bob Norberg: (3)
Your Summer Dream
Keep an Eye on Summer
Back Home

Steve Kalinich: (3)
Little Bird
Be Still
All I Want to Do

Gregg Jakobson: (2)
Forever
Baby Blue

Gary Winfrey: (2)
Take a Load Off Your Feet
Lookiní at Tomorrow (A Welfare Song)

Tandyn Almer: (2)
Marcella
Sail On, Sailor

Darryl Dragon: (2)
Make It Good
Cuddle Up

Randy Bachman: (2)
Keepiní the Summer Alive
Liviní with a Heartache

Myrna Smith-Schilling: (2)
Itís Gettiní Late
Maybe I Donít Know

John Phillips: (2)
Somewhere Near Japan
Kokomo

Larry Millas: (2)
Thatís Why God Made the Radio
Isnít It Time

Jim Peterik: (2)
Thatís Why God Made the Radio
Isnít It Time

Terry Sachen: (1)
I Know Thereís an Answer

Steve Korthof: (1)
When a Man Needs a Woman

Jon Parks: (1)
When a Man Needs a Woman

Al Vescovo: (1)
Diamond Head

Lyle Ritz: (1)
Diamond Head

Jim Ackley: (1)
Diamond Head

Joe Knott: (1)
Add Some Music to Your Day

Bob Burchman: (1)
Itís About Time

Ray Kennedy: (1)
Sail On, Sailor

Lynda Jardine: (1)
California Saga/The Beaks of Eagles

Diane Rovell: (1)
Had to Phone Ya

Roger McGuinn: (1)
Ding Dang

Ed Tuleja: (1)
Winds of Change

Karen Lamm: (1)
Baby Blue

Robert White Johnson: (1)
Itís Gettiní Late

Steve Levine: (1)
Maybe I Donít Know

Julian Stewart Lindsay: (1)
Maybe I Donít Know

Eugene Landy: (1)
In My Car

Alexandra Morgan: (1)
In My Car

Scott McKenzie: (1)
Kokomo

Bob House: (1)
Make It Big

Craig Fall: (1)
Summer in Paradise

Jon Bon Jovi: (1)
Summerís Gone
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2012, 08:54:33 PM »

Van Dyke, no question.  He probably inspired Brian more than anyone and his non Beach Boys work is awesome too (including Brian's Orange Crate Art which I think is way too underrated).
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2012, 09:30:58 PM »

Simply balancing the quality and quantity of songs, my top 5 would consist of...

1. Van Dyke Parks
2. Tony Asher
3. Jack Rieley
4. Joe Thomas
5. Roger Christian

I guess it all depends on where their involvement lies.  I'd place musical involvement far higher than lyrics, but the lyrical contributions of Van Dyke Parks and Tony Asher are arguably more significant than anyone actually in the band.
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2012, 09:44:07 PM »

Some tough choices on there.  I voted for Tony Asher but aside from Van Dyke, I'm also a fan of Reilly and Thomas's contributions as well.
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2012, 09:47:36 PM »

I don't know how he did it, but Rieley did a great job of getting the best out of Carl.
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2012, 09:54:42 PM »

I went for Gary Usher, because I liked the handful of early 'landmark' stuff he did - 409, Lonely Sea, etc.  - when it was important for the band to make their mark, so to speak.  I know it wasn't a lot, but to me it was very important.  I got to know Gary Jr. back in the 90's when we were living on Guam and he was managing a record store at the Micronesia Mall.  He had a lot of good history he passed on to me, cleared up a few things, told me some things I didn't know, (and also played a mean guitar in a local band.  They opened for Sammy Hagqr in a street concert when Hard Rock opened thee in 1998 down on the Tumon Bay resort strip.) A really nice guy who was surprised and glad to find a guy on a little island in the middle of the Western Pacific ocean who knew who Gary Usher was.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2012, 09:57:18 PM »

I don't know how he did it, but Rieley did a great job of getting the best out of Carl.

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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2012, 11:27:49 PM »

I went for Roger Christian, because he's an underrated lyricist, some of his stuff is brilliant.  "Shut Down" is incredible.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2012, 11:34:25 PM »

No Charles Manson? OK I'll go for Rieley.
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2012, 05:59:23 AM »

I don't know how he did it, but Rieley did a great job of getting the best out of Carl.

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I went for Tony Asher. You write the lyrics to 8 songs on Pet Sounds, you're OK in my book.
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2012, 08:08:15 AM »

Being the main collaborator/ lyricist on the best BB album, it has to be Tony Asher. 
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2012, 08:21:13 AM »

Tony's lyrics aren't especially bad or anything, but for a lot of songs, I never thought they were especially special. A chorus that consists entirely of repeating "Sometimes I feel very sad" three times? Meh.

There are certainly some good lines in there, but overall I wouldn't rank him as a favorite. I'm sure someone's gonna say "But the simple lyrics are important to Pet Sounds!" or something, and they are to an extent, but they could have been better. Jack Rieley had the same approach but did a better job of it, for instance.
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2012, 08:36:08 AM »

Tony's lyrics aren't especially bad or anything, but for a lot of songs, I never thought they were especially special. A chorus that consists entirely of repeating "Sometimes I feel very sad" three times? Meh.

There are certainly some good lines in there, but overall I wouldn't rank him as a favorite. I'm sure someone's gonna say "But the simple lyrics are important to Pet Sounds!" or something, and they are to an extent, but they could have been better. Jack Rieley had the same approach but did a better job of it, for instance.

I've heard people who don't like Pet Sounds use "Sometimes I Feel Very Sad" as a dismissive comment against the legitimacy of Pet Sounds lyrically. If you're gonna use something to say Pet Sounds lyrics aren't special, don't use that! I think that's one of the best build ups of a chorus ever. Instead of singing three seperate lines, Asher (and Wilson) take the main sentiment ("sometimes i feel very sad") and repeat it thrice becuase it's so important. But that's not all - they know that would seem a bit childish or simple, so they add in "ain't found the right thing I can put my heart and soul into" twice. And if that wasn't enough, there's "people I know don't wanna be where I'm at" at the last line of the buildup. All of these lyrics (while very '60s'), are poignant and meaningful. They are highly personal and developed, paining a portrait of an isolated man feeling out of it in his surroundings. Add in the spanish backing vocals (which translate to something like "when will it be, one day it will be", and you have a lyrical masterpiece.

Far more meaningful than "over and over the crow cries uncover the cornfield" anyway.
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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2012, 08:38:09 AM »

I voted for Tony Asher.  I love Van Dyke and Roger Christian but there's a real timelessness to Brian's collaboration with Asher.

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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2012, 08:58:46 AM »

I voted Asher by the way. Favorite Beach Boys album and favorite lyrics. Roger Christian and Van Dyke are essentially tied for second.

As I stated before, Rieley did something that no one else could out of Carl Wilson and that's help churn out his greatest songs. He definitely deserves some credit there.

Looking at Melcher's songs are interesting, he actually started out pretty strong with the one off singles he was writing. Getcha Back, Still Cruisin', Somewhere Near Japan and Kokomo are all great, underrated songs in my opinion. It's when he and Mike tried to churn out a whole album's worth of material is when things got ugly.

No one's probably going to vote for Joe, but we all love TWGMTR, which is interesting. It's possible the perception of Joe may be worse than the actuality.
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2012, 09:06:33 AM »

With all due respect to many of the others, and especially Van Dyke Parks and Roger Christian, as Pet Sounds is pretty much universally recognized by the industry as the Beach Boys high water mark, best work and one of the top albums of all time (which I agree), I have to give the nod to Tony Asher.
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2012, 10:23:01 AM »

My sons name is Asher if that tells you anything.
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2012, 10:23:47 AM »

My sons name is Asher if that tells you anything.

...that you're a Peter & Gordon fan?  Grin
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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2012, 08:08:07 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2012, 09:02:36 PM »

I don't know how he did it, but Rieley did a great job of getting the best out of Carl.

Jack didn't do badly with the other guys either. I don't know how much he contributed as a collaborator, but I like everything he was associated with. There's some cool stuff there:

The Jack Rieley Collaborations

Side A

1. You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone
2. Feel Flows
3. Long Promised Road
4. Marcella
5. Funky Pretty
6. A Day In The Life Of A Tree

Side B

7. Sail On Sailor
8. Steamboat
9. The Trader
10. Mt. Vernon And Fairway
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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2012, 09:07:23 PM »

Tie with Asher and Van Dyke, I chose Van because I feel he had an overall musical and lyrical effect, while Asher helped Brian achieve on his own.
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2012, 12:35:45 PM »

The Jack Rieley Collaborations

Side A

1. You Need A Mess Of Help To Stand Alone
2. Feel Flows
3. Long Promised Road
4. Marcella
5. Funky Pretty
6. A Day In The Life Of A Tree

Side B

7. Sail On Sailor
8. Steamboat
9. The Trader
10. Mt. Vernon And Fairway

What an obvious but great idea, can't believe I never made such a comp for myself. I would replace the fairy tale with "Fourth of July" though.
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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2012, 06:59:14 AM »

My sons name is Asher if that tells you anything.

...that you're a Peter & Gordon fan?  Grin

Funny you say that, we were having dinner at a Mexican dive near my house and a guy sitting near us asked what his name was, he mentioned Peter & Gordan but was also familiar with Tony Asher.
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Tony Asher! Jedi Duel
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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2018, 10:15:15 PM »

In terms of quality, its got to be Tony Asher. 
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