Somewhat painful Bruce Johnston interview in a Dutch magazine

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Oh, come on, man! This "liberal" "conservative" sham is getting older than the Myke is evil line of thought. Might I remind you that this  "liberal media" is the same one who cheer leaded both Pappy Bush and Shrub into Iraq. For every liberal outlet there is a conservative polar opposite. However, if there are more liberals than conservatives in the media, it might be simply because liberals are generally better educated, so I rest my case.....

The Travon Martin thing is MUCH more shaded than you're pretending and you reek of a gun fanatic who's jumping on a situation as you'd like to see it because you love guns. Martin was NOT armed, and you mean to tell me a 17 year old and a 27 year old is a fair fight anyhow, even without a gun? Certainly not! But, oh, George had a gun and he used it. A big bad 27 year old bully won a fight against a 17 year old kid because he was a big man and shot him in the chest..... C'mon! Nevermind the fact that all Travon seemed to be doing wrong was walking home at night while black.

[SBonilla]

Oh, come on, man! This "liberal" "conservative" sham is getting older than the Myke is evil line of thought. Might I remind you that this  "liberal media" is the same one who cheer leaded both Pappy Bush and Shrub into Iraq. For every liberal outlet there is a conservative polar opposite. However, if there are more liberals than conservatives in the media, it might be simply because liberals are generally better educated, so I rest my case.....

The Travon Martin thing is MUCH more shaded than you're pretending and you reek of a gun fanatic who's jumping on a situation as you'd like to see it because you love guns. Martin was NOT armed, and you mean to tell me a 17 year old and a 27 year old is a fair fight anyhow, even without a gun? Certainly not! But, oh, George had a gun and he used it. A big bad 27 year old bully won a fight against a 17 year old kid because he was a big man and shot him in the chest..... C'mon! Nevermind the fact that all Travon seemed to be doing wrong was walking home at night while black.

Yea, shove that in your bug out bag! It's a good thing that our global moderator is only that and not a judge or lawmaker.

[Jason]

Oh, come on, man! This "liberal" "conservative" sham is getting older than the Myke is evil line of thought. Might I remind you that this  "liberal media" is the same one who cheer leaded both Pappy Bush and Shrub into Iraq. For every liberal outlet there is a conservative polar opposite. However, if there are more liberals than conservatives in the media, it might be simply because liberals are generally better educated, so I rest my case.....

The Travon Martin thing is MUCH more shaded than you're pretending and you reek of a gun fanatic who's jumping on a situation as you'd like to see it because you love guns. Martin was NOT armed, and you mean to tell me a 17 year old and a 27 year old is a fair fight anyhow, even without a gun? Certainly not! But, oh, George had a gun and he used it. A big bad 27 year old bully won a fight against a 17 year old kid because he was a big man and shot him in the chest..... C'mon! Nevermind the fact that all Travon seemed to be doing wrong was walking home at night while black.

Hey, I think liberals and conservatives alike are rather poorly educated and unable to see past the ends of their noses.

The Trayvon Martin case has nothing to do with me "reek(ing) of a gun fanatic who's jumping on a situation as (I)'d like to see it because (I) love guns". I am well aware that the kid was unarmed, yet the kid also attacked the gunman first. Yes, you read that right. No matter who was walking where the fact of the matter is that Trayvon Martin attacked first. Sorry, but walking in a neighborhood with a gun on one's person IS NOT A THREAT. George Zimmerman defended himself; sadly, it cost the life of a 17 year old kid.

What, do you think just because it was a 27 year old against a 17 year old that Zimmerman should have just let Martin beat the f*** out of him? In the same situation, I would have defended myself the same way. Florida has a stand-your-ground law. This means one does not have to retreat if he finds himself to be in danger. Zimmerman was assaulted by Martin.

And if you really think it's just because of that classic race issue (not so coincidentally a favored liberal AND conservative ace when they have no other argument), listen to the 911 tape of Zimmerman's call. I say "liberal media" because it was a liberal network (NBC) that deliberately edited the recording to make this issue of self-defense into a so-called bit of "racial profiling" which led to a "murder". This was not done to "report the news", it was done in order to smear George Zimmerman by pegging him as a "racist". Give me a break.

[SBonilla]

Oh, come on, man!...Give me a break.

Break denied.

[Jason]

Oh, come on, man!...Give me a break.

Break denied.

Nothing constructive to contribute?

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

You really believe Travon just went and attacked Zimmerman? And yeah, since when is two guys having a row OK without one of the two having to defend himself with a gun? In fact, the only reason this was a "I had to defend my life/stand my ground" type of thing  is BECAUSE ZIMMERMAN HAD A GUN. Otherwise it would have (maybe) been a 27 year old getting his ass kicked by a 17 year old. If HE accosted the kid with all his "Hey, what are YOU doing in THIS neighborhood?" bullsh*t and wouldn't let him pass or leave or run away and pursued some type of action, didn't Travon have the right "man to man" to get pissed off and retaliate? ESPECIALLY because since he wasn't doing anything wrong and WAS NOT armed? What was he going to do, beat Zimmerman to death with his pack of skittles? Nope. YOU love guns therefore the gun wins, and in this case the gun won! You should be happy.

[Jason]

So by your quite flawed logic, I'm on the side of the Aurora shooter and the Sikh temple shooter? Just because those individuals had the guns? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but this appears to be where you're going and it couldn't be further from the truth.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

No, I'm talking about this particular situation where a 17 year old kid was minding his own business and walking to his dad's house and was confronted by an armed 27 year old who couldn't figure out a way to defend himself without shooting the 17 year old kid in the chest. It's what you would call a polarizing issue. Gun fanatics assume he had to defend himself with deadly force: the rest of us are simply not sure.... I'm not even trying to say that this guy shouldn't have had a gun. And if you'll recall, I was agreeing with you that responsible gun owners are not the problem, or even A problem. Do I think that self-appointed neighborhood protectors should not be allowed to wander the streets with guns and shooting unarmed people? If they come upon someone actually doing something wrong and who poses a genuine threat to the neighborhood? No, I do not. But such an individual should be able to use proper judgement to identify a threat. If he just goes up to an unarmed kid and accuses him of this or that and a scuffle ensues, I'd think it possible that another outcome rather than him shooting the kid to death should be arrived at. That's all.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Here's a peace offering, Real Historical Pistol-Whippin' Beach Boy:

http://youtu.be/vCLkN1wYCxs

[musicismylife101]

A little off-topic here, but what's the story behind Bruce and the pistol-whipping?

[GreatUrduPoet]

No, I'm talking about this particular situation where a 17 year old kid was minding his own business and walking to his dad's house and was confronted by an armed 27 year old who couldn't figure out a way to defend himself without shooting the 17 year old kid in the chest. It's what you would call a polarizing issue. Gun fanatics assume he had to defend himself with deadly force: the rest of us are simply not sure.... I'm not even trying to say that this guy shouldn't have had a gun. And if you'll recall, I was agreeing with you that responsible gun owners are not the problem, or even A problem. Do I think that self-appointed neighborhood protectors should not be allowed to wander the streets with guns and shooting unarmed people? If they come upon someone actually doing something wrong and who poses a genuine threat to the neighborhood? No, I do not. But such an individual should be able to use proper judgement to identify a threat. If he just goes up to an unarmed kid and accuses him of this or that and a scuffle ensues, I'd think it possible that another outcome rather than him shooting the kid to death should be arrived at. That's all.

You are obviously unfamiliar with the evidence that is now available about this case. Neither party was blameless in this tragic incident.

[GreatUrduPoet]

People need to lighten up around here a little:

Q: What's the best thing about the Travon Martin shooting?
A: Bob Dylan will never write a protest song about it. (What could he say? "Zimmerman took his gun and shot that poor boy down...")


Q: What kind of gun did that skinhead use in the Sikh temple massacre?
A: A "Sikh-shooter".

[Jason]

No, I'm talking about this particular situation where a 17 year old kid was minding his own business and walking to his dad's house and was confronted by an armed 27 year old who couldn't figure out a way to defend himself without shooting the 17 year old kid in the chest. It's what you would call a polarizing issue. Gun fanatics assume he had to defend himself with deadly force: the rest of us are simply not sure.... I'm not even trying to say that this guy shouldn't have had a gun. And if you'll recall, I was agreeing with you that responsible gun owners are not the problem, or even A problem. Do I think that self-appointed neighborhood protectors should not be allowed to wander the streets with guns and shooting unarmed people? If they come upon someone actually doing something wrong and who poses a genuine threat to the neighborhood? No, I do not. But such an individual should be able to use proper judgement to identify a threat. If he just goes up to an unarmed kid and accuses him of this or that and a scuffle ensues, I'd think it possible that another outcome rather than him shooting the kid to death should be arrived at. That's all.

You are obviously unfamiliar with the evidence that is now available about this case. Neither party was blameless in this tragic incident.

To those who find my belief in gun rights offensive...I'll be sure, on the off chance we ever meet in person, not to use my gun to defend you when you're assaulted. You'll probably end up dead but you'll go to the grave with a clear conscience. 

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

No one finds your belief in gun rights offensive. There is a difference in believing in run rights and being a gun fanatic who will take the side of the gun no matter what. Not that this describes you..... Hey, I wonder if Bruce Johnston is stocked up on guns for the coming Socialist revolution....

GreatUrduPoet, don't be so sure about 'ole Bob!

The Ballad Of Travon Martin! .... I can just hear it!

Boots Of Travon Martin

When Travon Paints His Masterpiece

And you are also damn correct that neither party was clear of blame in this incident. I spent a good time researching it last night. You are right.


And Real Historical Pistol-Whippin' Beach Boy, I happen to work for NBC and you'd be happy to know there are many many raging right wingers employed in this building. There are liberals too, as well as moderates, some Socialist leaning folk and some outright commies..... Just like real life.... One producer actually keeps a pair of antique pistols on the wall in his editing bay to remind everyone that they are on the clock

[SBonilla]

No one finds your belief in gun rights offensive. There is a difference in believing in run rights and being a gun fanatic who will take the side of the gun no matter what. Not that this describes you..... Hey, I wonder if Bruce Johnston is stocked up on guns for the coming Socialist revolution....

GreatUrduPoet, don't be so sure about 'ole Bob!

The Ballad Of Travon Martin! .... I can just hear it!

Boots Of Travon Martin

When Travon Paints His Masterpiece

And you are also damn correct that neither party was clear of blame in this incident. I spent a good time researching it last night. You are right.


And Real Historical Pistol-Whippin' Beach Boy, I happen to work for NBC and you'd be happy to know there are many many raging right wingers employed in this building. There are liberals too, as well as moderates, some Socialist leaning folk and some outright commies..... Just like real life.... One producer actually keeps a pair of antique pistols on the wall in his editing bay to remind everyone that they are on the clock

I know this is not the place for this post, but....whatever. My senior most boss at Capitol Records collected Nazi memorabilia. There was but one Jewish vice president in the whole company and that person was not in the record division. It was scary there. In one marketing meeting, just before Made In USA came out, a senior executive made a cruel joke regarding Dennis's drowning; there was scattered laughter at the round table. Another time, right before the holidays, they marched all of the employees down to a refrigerated truck parked in the back lot. We lined up and and one by one, as we passed the side door of the truck, we were handed our gift for that year. a Christmas Ham.  At the end of 1986, a new regime, headed up by Joe Smith, was finally brought in. Many of the okies and good ol' boys were sent packin'. Worst of all, was the Tower itself. If there were bad vibes somewhere in the building, they would not escape, they could only swirl around from floor to floor.
PS - a VP of promotion once used a live cattle prod on one of his promotion directors. That same VP also made some despicable remarks about the promotion guy's disabled child. I think the guy was sued over those incidents. I hated it there; I really did.

[stack-o-tracks]

lets take a break from arguing about useless wars and racial strife and take this quiz: http://www.isidewith.com/presidential-election-quiz?from=48016023

it will tell you which candidate your views most align with. curious to see peoples' results and where they stand on the political ladder

[Jason]

Mine align with Ron Paul, but that's not a surprise to me.

[Moon Dawg]

Re quiz: Gary Johnson for me.

[SBonilla]

Mine align with Ron Paul, but that's not a surprise to me.

I'm all thumbs. Green, that is.

[Mikie]

Re quiz: Gary Johnson for me.

Who??

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Jill Stein for me!!!!?!!!!

[Jason]

Re quiz: Gary Johnson for me.

Who??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_johnson

[pixletwin]

Gary Johnson and Ron Paul.

[Jason]

Gary Johnson and Ron Paul.

That would be the ticket to beat, regardless of who was in the Presidential and Vice Presidential slot. I'd also like to see a Justin Amash/Dennis Kucinich ticket next time.

[SBonilla]

Mine align with Ron Paul, but that's not a surprise to me.

I'm all thumbs. Green, that is.

The Stein lady. I didn't know who she was.