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« Reply #100 on: July 25, 2012, 04:45:20 AM »

To my mind, the dick is the journalist who wrote about it.
He would be kind of a bad journalist if he hadn't. Including that part in his article is justifiable since it happenend within the situation of the arranged telephone conversation. It would be expected of Bruce to behave himself in a professional manner. He did, but only as long as he thought the journalist could hear him. Making that mistake is Bruce's responsibility only. There's nothing more to it.
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« Reply #101 on: July 25, 2012, 05:05:17 AM »

Bruce is the new Mike Love!
He assumed the Mike previous role: be an asshole.
Even Mike now changed his attitude and now he's being a nice person, staying with his ego in off mode.
BJ attitude is dick, not the journalist.
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« Reply #102 on: July 25, 2012, 05:17:24 AM »

Bruce is the new Mike Love!
He assumed the Mike previous role: be an asshole.
Even Mike now changed his attitude and now he's being a nice person, staying with his ego in off mode.
BJ attitude is dick, not the journalist.

I don't think the journalist did anything wrong in reporting this, but really -- have you *never* been friendly to someone you had to work with and then grumbled about them behind their back? Have you never said something about someone when you thought they couldn't hear and then found out they could?

Bruce seems to have made the same effort as the other band members not to publicly say anything stupid or embarrassing, he's just been unfortunate enough to have a couple of slip-ups recorded. It happens to all public figures and doesn't make him a bad person.
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« Reply #103 on: July 25, 2012, 05:19:32 AM »

Bruce doesn't surprise me because I've been told for years what he is like. I'm surprised he is becoming so public with his flaws, but not that he has them. He just isn't a straight forward guy. I know for a fact that Brian or Al or Dave would never bad mouth people like that. Even Mike is far more pleasent in truth. Oh well, but hey he did some cool stuff from 1963-72.


Without having read the last three pages of this thread I apologize if this was mentioned before. What is noticeable is that on this whole reunion/anniversary event nothing like a "scandal" from any of the guys happened. People were probably looking at Mike so that they could talk him down for every little thing he said. But only Bruce had his Obama video and now this. I think management should make sure that that kind of stuff doesn't happen.
And I agree, the other guys seem like cool dudes and you wouldn't expect such things from them. They may indeed share the same feelings, Idk, but seem too down-to-earth to let it slip out like that

I wonder though what Mike, Brian, Al and Dave think about Bruce's behavior. I remember an interview of all of them togetehr where the interviewer asks if Bruce is always like that and all the other guys are quite bored and say "yeah, he's always like that".

On the other hand this led me to remember a 60s magazine where about each Beach Boy a short piece was written and about Bruce all they could say was "he's awfully rich" or something like that  Grin


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« Reply #104 on: July 25, 2012, 05:34:18 AM »

So yeah, not that anybody cares, but I think Bruce is a jackass, mostly because of his ever-so-fake happy-go-lucky persona when he obviously is just a classic older white guy who's mad at President Obama because he might have to pay a few extra bucks in taxes. He likely has no f***ing clue what socialism is, judging by the fact that he thinks the President is. If the President is indeed a socialist, he's one of the worst ever, because this country is nowhere near socialism. He also has never had to worry about money, and apparently since he can afford to send his children to the "socialist" overseas countries, we all must be able to. The "born on third, thinking he hit a triple" thing sums up Bruce Johnston.

Socialism is bankrupting the EU and is about to bankrupt the USA. But that's a topic for the Sandbox. Let's keep this on topic as best we can.

Uh, what? I don't think so. The thing is, a lot of the European countries have been practicing extreme austerity has made their economies stall out. Please don't state your opinion as fact, and then expect us to move on. And if socialism is bankrupting us, what do you call for? Stopping Social Security and Medicare for the older people who don't work anymore? Get rid of more cops and teachers? Get rid of DMV employees, so the lines are even longer? Nobody gave a damn about spending and all this garbage until Barack Obama took over. Never heard of any teabaggers having tea parties until 2009, how convenient. They had no problem with the former President spending money out the wazoo.

The topic itself is confusing; it is BJ or politics?  I will just say that Europeans are always trying to get Americans to say something to acknowledge our role is creating social injustice, so BJ is right.  I always find that Europeans will inject some scorn and provoke self-criticism from us--it's certainly true in academia.  So BJ was trying to escape that trap, which I appreciate, maintaining the apolitical nature of spiritual music, though he may not have made a complex, Maharishi-inspired explanation of spirit and music, as Carl would have. So, let's not fight about politics or call BB names; I have tried simply to gloss the event by identifying the cultural paradigm it reveals.  Good for you Bruce to resist the silly Euro-trash-trap.

Ugh, this guy's fancily-worded BS continues to annoy the heck out of me. Especially when he think he's some kind of moral and intellectual superior and then throws in that arrogant last line as if it's the last word on the subject. Ugh, people bring out the worst in politics and vice versa.

Anyway, yeah I don't understand Bruce, his attitude or his politics but I enjoy his music and voice. I'm just too small a human-being to let the trivial things not bother me.


I agree with you, NuttinAtol. I also would add that "the professor" is probably not a real professor, as most "conservatives" aren't very fond of that thing called "college"? It's for snobs, you know? And anyways, I think this jingoistic "America is number one" thing is ruining America. If we would stop telling everybody how great we were, maybe then we could get back to the business of making ourselves number one.

That's lovely, let's stereotype just as Bruce did and label conservatives as not being fond of collegiate education. Jeez...
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« Reply #105 on: July 25, 2012, 06:02:13 AM »

It does surprise me to see people attacking the reporter for doing his job, and writing about a story that's just been handed to him, especially since the story tells readers quite a lot more about its subject than it would have done otherwise.  And surely if nobody was ever allowed to write about things that they weren't strictly meant to have heard, then (a) the entire history and reputation of the Beach Boys would probably be somewhat different, and (b) quite a lot of threads on this board would fall foul of the same rule.
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« Reply #106 on: July 25, 2012, 06:15:16 AM »

http://www.chrislkeller.com/aps-guidelines-for-off-the-record-background

The Associated Press's guidelines are the standard for the industry.

Bruce did not ask for or expect anonymity in the interview. The fact that he continued to speak on a line that the reporter could hear means that he wasn't speaking off the record. It's embarrassing for Bruce, but quoting him in such a situation is in no way breaking a confidence or behaving unethically.
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« Reply #107 on: July 25, 2012, 06:18:31 AM »

http://www.chrislkeller.com/aps-guidelines-for-off-the-record-background

The Associated Press's guidelines are the standard for the industry.

Bruce did not ask for or expect anonymity in the interview. The fact that he continued to speak on a line that the reporter could hear means that he wasn't speaking off the record. It's embarrassing for Bruce, but quoting him in such a situation is in no way breaking a confidence or behaving unethically.
Exactly.

Stuff like that happens all the time. Let's move on.
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« Reply #108 on: July 25, 2012, 06:27:14 AM »

Bruce said what he did off the record, when he thought the phone was down. He's done it before, he'll do it again, as we all will. To my mind, the dick is the journalist who wrote about it.

Quoting something that was said off the record is, of course, not very nice. But neither is calling someone "a dick" and "indoctrinated". So I'd say they're even.
I think we have all called people names under our breath and off the record. We all blow off steam in different ways. You should hear the stuff I say about some people in here who post some stupid stuff. We all do it. Get over it.
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« Reply #109 on: July 25, 2012, 06:41:17 AM »

http://www.chrislkeller.com/aps-guidelines-for-off-the-record-background

The Associated Press's guidelines are the standard for the industry.

Bruce did not ask for or expect anonymity in the interview. The fact that he continued to speak on a line that the reporter could hear means that he wasn't speaking off the record. It's embarrassing for Bruce, but quoting him in such a situation is in no way breaking a confidence or behaving unethically.
You are good. I love reading your posts. Now I know why; you are a saint. We don't know for sure exactly how things went down, but if it is understood that the interview is over, you hang up. You don't stay on the line and listen in hopes that that you will hear something extra. That to me, is unethical. It's a social thing, you know. This guy is granted an interview by Bruce and I'm sure all he (Bruce) expected to be reported on is the interview. That is fair and what was agreed to. The reporter is a weasel for letting it out. There was really no other reason than he got his feelings hurt and did it for retribution.
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« Reply #110 on: July 25, 2012, 07:00:17 AM »

No one seems to have considered the possibility that Bruce knew the phone line was still on and wanted to have a dig at the journalist "behind his back" so that he'd hear.


And why is it so hard to avoid a "scandal" during the tour? It's simple... don't insult an audience of millions who kept the group's career alive during the late 60s/early 70s.
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« Reply #111 on: July 25, 2012, 07:03:03 AM »

Bruce said what he did off the record, when he thought the phone was down. He's done it before, he'll do it again, as we all will. To my mind, the dick is the journalist who wrote about it.

Oh, and Bruce reads this forum.  Grin

It's funny that he reads it. But he obviously would never post (if just to clear things up) because we're not a Johnston kiss-ass club like BBB. I think it would win him some fans back if he wrote on here and tried to smooth things over.

However, we are the fans he doesn't care about. We're like, way too into the band (way more than he would EVER be) and we don't appreciate the hits (most of which he wasn't even present for). Even though we are among the few who even know what "Disney Girls" is. Or even his name for that matter.
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« Reply #112 on: July 25, 2012, 07:04:55 AM »

I love this band and I love Bruce's voice in the mix. I love SOME of his songs, but this is naive at best and ignorant at worst. That desperate attempt at macho swagger ("so I kicked his ass for ten minutes, with a smile on my face")... Well, Bruce, dude, didn't know you could be so awesome...
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« Reply #113 on: July 25, 2012, 07:08:58 AM »

But he obviously would never post (if just to clear things up) because we're not a Johnston kiss-ass club like BBB.
We probably would be if he would post here, though.  Grin
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« Reply #114 on: July 25, 2012, 07:16:17 AM »

Bruce should have been more careful, but he let his true thoughts show, thoughts that are shared by many.  Europe is broke and in trouble because of its huge social welfare state.   
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« Reply #115 on: July 25, 2012, 07:17:25 AM »

Bravo to the reporter for having the guts to share what he heard. Bravo. I would've done the same thing. In fact, once it goes online, I'm going to share the link with every Beach Boys fan I know. Wake the world and let them know what this entitled Santa Barbara jackass thinks about them.

He opened his mouth. He deserves full blow back.
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« Reply #116 on: July 25, 2012, 07:31:57 AM »

Europe is broke and in trouble because of its huge social welfare state.

Well America is broke and in trouble but at least we all get healthcare Smiley
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« Reply #117 on: July 25, 2012, 07:38:15 AM »

Bruce should have been more careful, but he let his true thoughts show, thoughts that are shared by many.  Europe is broke and in trouble because of its huge social welfare state.   

Once again, to most of us, it's not about politics. It's the fact that he is such a goody-two-shoes when he knows the camera or the microphone is on, but when he thinks we're not paying attention, he's ignorant, pig-headed, egotistical, etc.

Now obviously, none of us are on perfect behavior at all times. But the thing is, especially when approached by fans, and people who are interested in his music, he comes off as a dick, which is odd. I, myself, make music, and any person who comes up to me and tells me they like my stuff, I feel so grateful and make sure to give them the time of day, since they gave my work time. Instead, he seems to think those who are extremely interested in his group are lame.

Lastly, I think the guy should believe in whatever politics he wants. However, he would do better to know what he's fucking talking about. He obviously has no understanding of what socialism is, and therefore should shut the f*** up about it, until he learns what it is.
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« Reply #118 on: July 25, 2012, 07:42:21 AM »

Bravo to the reporter for having the guts to share what he heard. Bravo. I would've done the same thing. In fact, once it goes online, I'm going to share the link with every Beach Boys fan I know. Wake the world and let them know what this entitled Santa Barbara jackass thinks about them.

He opened his mouth. He deserves full blow back.
It's great thinkers like you, that gives us the journalism or lack thereof, that we have today. Pretty bad when what you print from something off the record makes better copy than your own work which was on the record. Fine journalism, indeed!
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« Reply #119 on: July 25, 2012, 07:56:44 AM »

Bravo to the reporter for having the guts to share what he heard. Bravo. I would've done the same thing. In fact, once it goes online, I'm going to share the link with every Beach Boys fan I know. Wake the world and let them know what this entitled Santa Barbara jackass thinks about them.

He opened his mouth. He deserves full blow back.
It's great thinkers like you, that gives us the journalism or lack thereof, that we have today. Pretty bad when what you print from something off the record makes better copy than your own work which was on the record. Fine journalism, indeed!

What we should really do, then, is abolish journalism as a job altogether. After all, if what a journalist's job should be is simply giving us the information that his or her subject wants us to know, then really, the subject could do that without the presence of the journalist.
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« Reply #120 on: July 25, 2012, 08:03:01 AM »

Bravo to the reporter for having the guts to share what he heard. Bravo. I would've done the same thing. In fact, once it goes online, I'm going to share the link with every Beach Boys fan I know. Wake the world and let them know what this entitled Santa Barbara jackass thinks about them.

He opened his mouth. He deserves full blow back.
It's great thinkers like you, that gives us the journalism or lack thereof, that we have today. Pretty bad when what you print from something off the record makes better copy than your own work which was on the record. Fine journalism, indeed!

What we should really do, then, is abolish journalism as a job altogether. After all, if what a journalist's job should be is simply giving us the information that his or her subject wants us to know, then really, the subject could do that without the presence of the journalist.

Actually, crazily enough, Bruce's favorite channel, Faux News, does that exact thing!
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« Reply #121 on: July 25, 2012, 08:10:05 AM »

funny/interesting story - definitely worth sharing. But this is definitely NOT worth 5 pages of comments!!  He didn't say anything shocking. And this is from someone who was snubbed by Bruce at the meet and greet which had a serious impact on my enjoyment of the concert! Like someone else said Al and David (definitely not Brian!!) are probably the only normal ones. And I wouldn't doubt that there's a whole bunch of stuff about those guys that we wouldn't want to know about it either. They're wacky and crazy and that's why we love them.
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« Reply #122 on: July 25, 2012, 08:14:38 AM »

Bravo to the reporter for having the guts to share what he heard. Bravo. I would've done the same thing. In fact, once it goes online, I'm going to share the link with every Beach Boys fan I know. Wake the world and let them know what this entitled Santa Barbara jackass thinks about them.

He opened his mouth. He deserves full blow back.
It's great thinkers like you, that gives us the journalism or lack thereof, that we have today. Pretty bad when what you print from something off the record makes better copy than your own work which was on the record. Fine journalism, indeed!

What we should really do, then, is abolish journalism as a job altogether. After all, if what a journalist's job should be is simply giving us the information that his or her subject wants us to know, then really, the subject could do that without the presence of the journalist.
They, the jounalists, are asking the questions. He should have asked the question if he really wanted to know, not print something that was said off the record. Most journalists today take the easy way out. It is sloppy, lazy, and sneaky work.
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« Reply #123 on: July 25, 2012, 08:21:31 AM »

This whole exercise is not about whether Bruce is right or wrong in his thinking, but rather was the jounalist being unethical or at the least, displaying lazy journalism in printing something that was not part of the original interview, because Bruce hurt his feelings and ego.
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« Reply #124 on: July 25, 2012, 08:25:39 AM »

This whole exercise is not about whether Bruce is right or wrong in his thinking, but rather was the jounalist being unethical or at the least, displaying lazy journalism in printing something that was not part of the original interview, because Bruce hurt his feelings and ego.

So I assume when the mic picked up President Obama talking to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev about "his next term" you stuck up for him because these comments were meant to conveyed in a private, not public manner. Or is this instance different because President Obama is a "liberal" and therefore you don't want to stick up for him?
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