I Never Hated Mike Love Til I Heard This..

[oldsurferdude]

That site is populated by a bunch of morons who don't know sh*t about the Beach Boys. Ignorance is bliss.

Soooo, those who have the balls to possess an opinion that could interfere with what the almighty, all knowing rbb comes up with as far as what he calls thinking is, is, in fact an ignorant moron.  Why then, with your reputed infinite wisdom and legendary moderatum ala Myke Luhv, how do you calculate that the baldster has earned an incredible bulk of not only bad press, but several websites based on the disaffection of him?

[drbeachboy]

That site is populated by a bunch of morons who don't know sh*t about the Beach Boys. Ignorance is bliss.

Soooo, those who have the balls to possess an opinion that could interfere with what the almighty, all knowing rbb comes up with as far as what he calls thinking is, is, in fact an ignorant moron.  Why then, with your reputed infinite wisdom and legendary moderatum ala Myke Luhv, how do you calculate that the baldster has earned an incredible bulk of not only bad press, but several websites based on the disaffection of him?

Mainly because people like you exist and would rather believe the gossip and hearsay, more so than listening to the historians and people who have done the research and try to tell the real story.

OK Jason, he's all yours.

[oldsurferdude]

That site is populated by a bunch of morons who don't know sh*t about the Beach Boys. Ignorance is bliss.

Soooo, those who have the balls to possess an opinion that could interfere with what the almighty, all knowing rbb comes up with as far as what he calls thinking is, is, in fact an ignorant moron.  Why then, with your reputed infinite wisdom and legendary moderatum ala Myke Luhv, how do you calculate that the baldster has earned an incredible bulk of not only bad press, but several websites based on the disaffection of him?

Mainly because people like you exist and would rather believe the gossip and hearsay, more so than listening to the historians and people who have done the research and try to tell the real story.

OK Jason, he's all yours.

Ya see...? Fanboy mentallity at it's mediocre best. Gotta luhv it.

[drbeachboy]

That site is populated by a bunch of morons who don't know sh*t about the Beach Boys. Ignorance is bliss.

Soooo, those who have the balls to possess an opinion that could interfere with what the almighty, all knowing rbb comes up with as far as what he calls thinking is, is, in fact an ignorant moron.  Why then, with your reputed infinite wisdom and legendary moderatum ala Myke Luhv, how do you calculate that the baldster has earned an incredible bulk of not only bad press, but several websites based on the disaffection of him?

Mainly because people like you exist and would rather believe the gossip and hearsay, more so than listening to the historians and people who have done the research and try to tell the real story.

OK Jason, he's all yours.

Ya see...? Fanboy mentallity at it's mediocre best. Gotta luhv it.

It's better than being you. It seems that once you get past Mike Love, you are an intelligent fan of the band. The hate, whether real or fabricated, just never adds anything of value or importance to any real conversation. But it is your thing and I guess you just can't help yourself.

[oldsurferdude]

That site is populated by a bunch of morons who don't know sh*t about the Beach Boys. Ignorance is bliss.

Soooo, those who have the balls to possess an opinion that could interfere with what the almighty, all knowing rbb comes up with as far as what he calls thinking is, is, in fact an ignorant moron.  Why then, with your reputed infinite wisdom and legendary moderatum ala Myke Luhv, how do you calculate that the baldster has earned an incredible bulk of not only bad press, but several websites based on the disaffection of him?

Mainly because people like you exist and would rather believe the gossip and hearsay, more so than listening to the historians and people who have done the research and try to tell the real story.

OK Jason, he's all yours.

Ya see...? Fanboy mentallity at it's mediocre best. Gotta luhv it.

It's better than being you. It seems that once you get past Mike Love, you are an intelligent fan of the band. The hate, whether real or fabricated, just never adds anything of value or importance to any real conversation. But it is your thing and I guess you just can't help yourself.

As you or anyone else here can't  as well.

[Jason]

That site is populated by a bunch of morons who don't know sh*t about the Beach Boys. Ignorance is bliss.

Soooo, those who have the balls to possess an opinion that could interfere with what the almighty, all knowing rbb comes up with as far as what he calls thinking is, is, in fact an ignorant moron.  Why then, with your reputed infinite wisdom and legendary moderatum ala Myke Luhv, how do you calculate that the baldster has earned an incredible bulk of not only bad press, but several websites based on the disaffection of him?

Mainly because people like you exist and would rather believe the gossip and hearsay, more so than listening to the historians and people who have done the research and try to tell the real story.

OK Jason, he's all yours.

Actually you hit the nail on the head. There are three sides to every story - yours, mine, and the truth. "Yours" and "mine" runs against what the "truth" is. None of the band members are saints and none of them are devils. If the Dude wants to live in a world of perpetual ignorance of and disdain for a member of a band he claims to love, that's his prerogative. I'm a Beach Boys fan. However, for a guy who bashes Michael left and right in his praise of Brian...he hates Love You. I'll never wrap my head around that one. Granted...he has the right to his opinion. I may disagree with it as he does with my own, but that's life.

[Newguy562]

Hey c'mon guys love mike love like i do he's awesome!

[drbeachboy]

As with most things, the truth always lies between to the two extremes. While I consider myself a hardcore fan, I also want to be a fan that bases his fandom on the truth. For 40 years Mike was my least favorite Beach Boy, mostly because he never defended himself properly about why he felt the way he did or why he did the things he did. Sometimes he was his own worst enemy. Over the last few years the truth has slowly made it's way out in the open, but some fans just don't want to hear it. It is bad enough that the Summer fan buys into it, but seeing some of the so called hardcores refusing to listen, really bothers me. So, I wind up having to defend a person, that in here, I should not need to defend. For the bad things that Mike did have a hand in, he seems to have confronted them and made amends. If the bandmembers can get past the bad blood, then so should we.

[Autotune]

That site is populated by a bunch of morons who don't know sh*t about the Beach Boys. Ignorance is bliss.

1. That place is like a sewer of the internet. That's why I was surprised to see Ambha, who is a lovely daughter, Steve and Baker there. Wasn't surprised to see oldsurferdude, though.

2. As said by others, if Jackie Love was responsible for some of the decisions that turned Mike's band into a more powerful and artistic unit, then all kudos in the world to her. Baker implies she fired him. If so, she did right.

[Jason]

I Never Hated Mike Love Til I Heard This..

This should make you love Mike again:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe5y7G8RQQ8&feature=youtu.be

That was a great watch.

[Danimalist]

This passes for "touching" in a truly emotionally shallow pool. I guess that's why so many of us prefer to swim in the deep end.

I really need to listen to "'Til I Die" to wash this slime off. Seriously, hugging your family members (wow, never tried that!) and then getting one in below the belt about several of their dad's drugs and alcohol abuse? It's become more and more clear to me that some of us are from (pick your planet) and others from (pick a very different planet, far, far away).

[KittyKat]

This passes for "touching" in a truly emotionally shallow pool. I guess that's why so many of us prefer to swim in the deep end.

I really need to listen to "'Til I Die" to wash this slime off. Seriously, hugging your family members (wow, never tried that!) and then getting one in below the belt about several of their dad's drugs and alcohol abuse? It's become more and more clear to me that some of us are from (pick your planet) and others from (pick a very different planet, far, far away).

You can always atone for the sin of reading these posts on this Mik-ish board by going over to the Blueboard.  The Godhead worship is still happening there even with the format change.  I'm all for people who buy pony books for Brian's needy children. 

[Danimalist]

This passes for "touching" in a truly emotionally shallow pool. I guess that's why so many of us prefer to swim in the deep end.

I really need to listen to "'Til I Die" to wash this slime off. Seriously, hugging your family members (wow, never tried that!) and then getting one in below the belt about several of their dad's drugs and alcohol abuse? It's become more and more clear to me that some of us are from (pick your planet) and others from (pick a very different planet, far, far away).

You can always atone for the sin of reading these posts on this Mik-ish board by going over to the Blueboard.  The Godhead worship is still happening there even with the format change.  I'm all for people who buy pony books for Brian's needy children. 

The Blue Board is hardly "swimming in the deep end!" Now, the old Surf's Up list could've handled platform divers.

[Aegir]

Seriously, hugging your family members (wow, never tried that!) and then getting one in below the belt about several of their dad's drugs and alcohol abuse?

Sure, when you put it that way it sounds bad. but that's not the way it was, or should be interpreted. clearly everyone in the room, many of whom were family members and close friends, didn't think of it that way. and I think they know better than we do.

[Jason]

This passes for "touching" in a truly emotionally shallow pool. I guess that's why so many of us prefer to swim in the deep end.

I really need to listen to "'Til I Die" to wash this slime off. Seriously, hugging your family members (wow, never tried that!) and then getting one in below the belt about several of their dad's drugs and alcohol abuse? It's become more and more clear to me that some of us are from (pick your planet) and others from (pick a very different planet, far, far away).

You, sir...are a troll.

[Danimalist]

This passes for "touching" in a truly emotionally shallow pool. I guess that's why so many of us prefer to swim in the deep end.

I really need to listen to "'Til I Die" to wash this slime off. Seriously, hugging your family members (wow, never tried that!) and then getting one in below the belt about several of their dad's drugs and alcohol abuse? It's become more and more clear to me that some of us are from (pick your planet) and others from (pick a very different planet, far, far away).

You, sir...are a troll.

Uh, let me think way back how to respond to a comment like that...oh, yeah...I'm rubber; you're glue.

It's called having a different perspective. I understand that many people with certain biologically determined ideological tendencies are fundamentally incapable of understanding that the same events can be viewed independently with varying conclusions reached regarding them. So, your reaction is understandable.
For a start, you may wish to consider Kurasawa's Rashomon. If black and white or subtitles scare you, perhaps Vantage Point would be easier on your eyes.

[Jason]

This passes for "touching" in a truly emotionally shallow pool. I guess that's why so many of us prefer to swim in the deep end.

I really need to listen to "'Til I Die" to wash this slime off. Seriously, hugging your family members (wow, never tried that!) and then getting one in below the belt about several of their dad's drugs and alcohol abuse? It's become more and more clear to me that some of us are from (pick your planet) and others from (pick a very different planet, far, far away).

You, sir...are a troll.

Uh, let me think way back how to respond to a comment like that...oh, yeah...I'm rubber; you're glue.

It's called having a different perspective. I understand that many people with certain biologically determined ideological tendencies are fundamentally incapable of understanding that the same events can be viewed independently with varying conclusions reached regarding them. So, your reaction is understandable.
For a start, you may wish to consider Kurasawa's Rashomon. If black and white or subtitles scare you, perhaps Vantage Point would be easier on your eyes.

How in the hell does a dissenting opinion (or, indeed, you being called a troll - we calls 'em as we sees 'em) mean that someone has "certain biologically determined ideological tendencies"? I am quite capable of understanding that the same events can be viewed independently with varying conclusions reached regarding them. I am also equally adept at noting your rather obvious bias in your clearly uninformed opinion. You speak as if you know Michael Love's family life and personal life more than he does. Presumption is a hideous character trait; no wonder it's found in Brianistas.

Kurosawa is also too Western for me. I prefer Dreyer or Lang, myself. You sound like a hell of a guy to talk classic films with, I'll give you that.

[Autotune]

This passes for "touching" in a truly emotionally shallow pool. I guess that's why so many of us prefer to swim in the deep end.

I really need to listen to "'Til I Die" to wash this slime off. Seriously, hugging your family members (wow, never tried that!) and then getting one in below the belt about several of their dad's drugs and alcohol abuse? It's become more and more clear to me that some of us are from (pick your planet) and others from (pick a very different planet, far, far away).

You, sir...are a troll.

Uh, let me think way back how to respond to a comment like that...oh, yeah...I'm rubber; you're glue.

It's called having a different perspective. I understand that many people with certain biologically determined ideological tendencies are fundamentally incapable of understanding that the same events can be viewed independently with varying conclusions reached regarding them. So, your reaction is understandable.
For a start, you may wish to consider Kurasawa's Rashomon. If black and white or subtitles scare you, perhaps Vantage Point would be easier on your eyes.

How in the hell does a dissenting opinion (or, indeed, you being called a troll - we calls 'em as we sees 'em) mean that someone has "certain biologically determined ideological tendencies"? I am quite capable of understanding that the same events can be viewed independently with varying conclusions reached regarding them. I am also equally adept at noting your rather obvious bias in your clearly uninformed opinion. You speak as if you know Michael Love's family life and personal life more than he does. Presumption is a hideous character trait; no wonder it's found in Brianistas.

Kurosawa is also too Western for me. I prefer Dreyer or Lang, myself. You sound like a hell of a guy to talk classic films with, I'll give you that.

Ummm... Replies feed a troll. Why bother?

[ontor pertawst]

Because it's fun and we're all obsessed with the Beach Boys.

It's time for the Jardine faction to get a lot touchier and more militant. Extremist Jardinists! They could be crucial powerbrokers in arranging deals between the Wilson and Love camps.

[Ron]

I just watched this video, had never seen it before.  I found it touching.

What amazes me is how people insist on seeing things from their perspective, and not even considering someone else's.  Mike Love is not the most generous loving individual who ever lived.  In his own way, though, he feels the same emotions and love the rest of us do, and this video is his version of it.  It doesn't make it any less valid that it's not how you would express yourself.


I have Never, Ever, seen a comment from Mike Love that I didn't think was genuine.  The reason he's never defended himself is because he doesn't care if others like him or not.  He calls it how he sees it... that rubs some the wrong way.  It's hard for him to admit his wrongs, but I think he's made about as much of an effort as he can muster these last couple of years.  Good for him. 

As for the drug talk, everybody on that stage feels the exact same way, Mike's the only one who talks about it. Ask Carnie Wilson and Wendy Wilson what they think about drugs and alcohol. 

[Jason]

I just watched this video, had never seen it before.  I found it touching.

What amazes me is how people insist on seeing things from their perspective, and not even considering someone else's.  Mike Love is not the most generous loving individual who ever lived.  In his own way, though, he feels the same emotions and love the rest of us do, and this video is his version of it.  It doesn't make it any less valid that it's not how you would express yourself.


I have Never, Ever, seen a comment from Mike Love that I didn't think was genuine.  The reason he's never defended himself is because he doesn't care if others like him or not.  He calls it how he sees it... that rubs some the wrong way.  It's hard for him to admit his wrongs, but I think he's made about as much of an effort as he can muster these last couple of years.  Good for him. 

As for the drug talk, everybody on that stage feels the exact same way, Mike's the only one who talks about it. Ask Carnie Wilson and Wendy Wilson what they think about drugs and alcohol. 

This, this, AND this.

[Danimalist]

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[Danimalist]

This passes for "touching" in a truly emotionally shallow pool. I guess that's why so many of us prefer to swim in the deep end.

I really need to listen to "'Til I Die" to wash this slime off. Seriously, hugging your family members (wow, never tried that!) and then getting one in below the belt about several of their dad's drugs and alcohol abuse? It's become more and more clear to me that some of us are from (pick your planet) and others from (pick a very different planet, far, far away).

You, sir...are a troll.

Uh, let me think way back how to respond to a comment like that...oh, yeah...I'm rubber; you're glue.

It's called having a different perspective. I understand that many people with certain biologically determined ideological tendencies are fundamentally incapable of understanding that the same events can be viewed independently with varying conclusions reached regarding them. So, your reaction is understandable.
For a start, you may wish to consider Kurasawa's Rashomon. If black and white or subtitles scare you, perhaps Vantage Point would be easier on your eyes.

You speak as if you know Michael Love's family life and personal life more than he does. Presumption is a hideous character trait; no wonder it's found in Brianistas.

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Wow, just utterly clueless. I said nothing about Mike's family or personal life. And then you throw in the "you're a Commie" comment. That says it all. Most telling is you then praise someone (Ron) for assuming he knows exactly why Mike does or doesn't do what he does or doesn't do. You, sir, are a waste of my time.

[Ron]

You're wasting our time too, Commie.

[drbeachboy]

This passes for "touching" in a truly emotionally shallow pool. I guess that's why so many of us prefer to swim in the deep end.

I really need to listen to "'Til I Die" to wash this slime off. Seriously, hugging your family members (wow, never tried that!) and then getting one in below the belt about several of their dad's drugs and alcohol abuse? It's become more and more clear to me that some of us are from (pick your planet) and others from (pick a very different planet, far, far away).

You, sir...are a troll.

Uh, let me think way back how to respond to a comment like that...oh, yeah...I'm rubber; you're glue.

It's called having a different perspective. I understand that many people with certain biologically determined ideological tendencies are fundamentally incapable of understanding that the same events can be viewed independently with varying conclusions reached regarding them. So, your reaction is understandable.
For a start, you may wish to consider Kurasawa's Rashomon. If black and white or subtitles scare you, perhaps Vantage Point would be easier on your eyes.

You speak as if you know Michael Love's family life and personal life more than he does. Presumption is a hideous character trait; no wonder it's found in Brianistas.

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Wow, just utterly clueless. I said nothing about Mike's family or personal life. And then you throw in the "you're a Commie" comment. That says it all. Most telling is you then praise someone (Ron) for assuming he knows exactly why Mike does or doesn't do what he does or doesn't do. You, sir, are a waste of my time.

Please leave.