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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2012, 09:11:46 PM »

I don't think Al wants 150-170 dates a year though anyway. He was getting tired of so many dates in the 90's. Plus he will want to work with his sons at some point,.
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« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2012, 09:25:52 PM »

I really think Mike is making a lot more money than previously..

When was the last time The Beach Boys sold out The Hollywood Bowl? Or be able to charge (and get!) $1250 for a v.i.p ticket?? From what I gathered, before this tour,in the USA at least, they were on the county fair/casino circuit? And have been for many years?

Personally I would love for them to continue as they are now, but like most, cant see it happening,mainly due to the limitations of Brian & age. Which is why we need to appreciate this very real magical time for what it is!
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« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2012, 09:38:09 PM »

Does anybody know exactly what is wrong with Brian's back? Perhaps some type of corrective surgery would help. Maybe it would get him in the mood to do more touring or recording. Although, a 70 year old man is never really a good candidate for a major operation.
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« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2012, 09:42:12 PM »

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Let's assume (for sake of discussion) that, after this reunion tour, Brian will be working on the next Beach Boys' album and won't be touring. What would he tour and why would he tour? So, all they have to do is remove Brian's piano from the stage, and keep everything else in tact - including the band members. If Brian isn't touring, his band members can stay in "The Beach Boys", and Mike will just have to explain things to his son and his band.

Then, when it's time to record the next Beach Boys' album, haul them all into the studio. How 'bout that?

That's what I want.

Add in the occasional date with Brian (previously announced, obviously) and this'd be poifect. Of course that relies on Brian wanting to do this, and while I can't see him keeping up with this as is, I could still see the occasional show or maybe even very short tour with him on stage. Even if the other guys slowed down, only playing a few dozen shows a year, that'd be totally understandable at their age. Or even stopping outright, really (heh Cry )

But yeah - if Brian wants and needs to take it easy from here on out, the group touring with the occasional Brian performance (if he wants to) while still recording as Brian, Al, Mike, Bruce and David would be perfect. If not, I'll take Brian still recording with them and maybe as a solo artist while they tour, still. I'm really hoping they stay together, as what's been going on thus far has been really, really great overall.
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« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2012, 10:21:39 PM »

I wonder how easy will it be for the Mike and Bruce version of the BB's to sell tickets after the reunion tour.  It might be a good thing for the group to go on hiatus for a while and avoid over-exposure, although their time as singers is drawing to a close. 
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« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2012, 11:48:06 PM »

Not to be a "Debbie Downer", but if you think about it, This would be an ideal time for The Beach Boys to break up for good, and even retire the name "The Beach Boys". I mean, they would have done one last tour that was highly successful both financially, and perhaps even more rewarding on a personal level. They would have also done a HUGELY successful final album of original material as "Produced by Brian Wilson", which is an album that I think I can safely say has exceeded miles beyond even the most pessimistic of dreams. And let's face it, the final 30 seconds or so of Summer's Gone is an almost poetic way to close the chapter of a group that should not have survived. The fact that this band has survived beyond the "airplane tarmac fight" or the 1978 Australian tour goes against virtually all forms of logic and common sense.  Grin
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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2012, 12:28:19 AM »

I would not be surprised if we actually get a new entity after the reunion. California Saga have set themselves up and rehearsed. I could see some of those guys going out on the road with Mike/Bruce/maybe Al and Dave too.
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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2012, 12:52:43 AM »

I would not be surprised if we actually get a new entity after the reunion. California Saga have set themselves up and rehearsed. I could see some of those guys going out on the road with Mike/Bruce/maybe Al and Dave too.

I can see some of the CalSaga kids stepping up too, but what happens when all the originals have retired or, inevitably, died?

Would the kids be allowed to fly the flag as The Beach Boys? Presumably some will inherit the BRI voting rights and have that say.

And what happens to the creative side? Would they be able (and would the fans accept) to write, record and perform new material, as The Beach Boys? Or should the be nothing more than an oldies band (and TWGMTR would have to be embraced by that term), emasculated/neutered/rendered non-creative so as not to dilute The Original Beach Boys creative legacy?

That said, how much creative talent is there among the kids? Judging by the last Wilson/Philips album, those girls' creative juices have run dry... I haven't heard In Bloom or any other combos so would be keen to know more.
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« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2012, 12:55:02 AM »

I wonder how easy will it be for the Mike and Bruce version of the BB's to sell tickets after the reunion tour.

Easier, probably.
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« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2012, 05:26:49 AM »

No, I don't think The Band could do it without Levon Helm.
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« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2012, 05:51:55 AM »

RIP Levon Helm!
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« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2012, 01:27:33 AM »

'teh hell is the "airplane tarmac fight"?
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« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2012, 07:10:18 AM »

'teh hell is the "airplane tarmac fight"?

Go see the "Dennis and the ultimatum" thread. (Based on my perusal of the board posts thus far, I'm sure that you know all about this slightly garbled reference, actually.)

Turning back to the thread topic, I can see Mike looking for ways to use parts of what's been deployed on the 50th tour for his future gigs. Certainly it would make sense to incorporate California Saga into his show, both for the idea of "torch-passing" and to simply give the oldsters some downtime during the show. Until they decide (if they decide) to mount another full-on tour with BW in tow, Mike should be able to create tiered engagements where he has various combinations of original members (Al, David, occasionally BW and his crew) based on the venue.

What will really be interesting to find out is whether BW decides to do any more solo tours after this.
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« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2012, 08:18:35 AM »

how about both Brian and Al leave the touring band after the current tour? , they, (Brian and Al) take a break, and then resume back in the studio working on the new songs. Al's voice would be a nice add to Brian's on the demos and when Mike , Dave and Bruce are ready to come off the road, there will be material ready for them to add to.

I would imagine that Brian's half of the current band will come off the road as well.. they are a important part of Brian's studio environment.

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« Reply #39 on: August 12, 2012, 03:13:34 AM »

It's interesting that a certain well respected scholar of all things Beach Boys hasn't been to this thread. At least not yet.  Grin

Indeed. Well, in this guy's current absence, my take is that Mike will go back to touring with Bruce (and Alan ? Probably not. And David ? More likely but not a given) because it's what he does... and Brian will do what Brian usually does, which is forget all he's been saying about carrying on and go out on his own again. I'm thinking there may be undercurrents and rips that we fans know nothing of. I doubt it's purely financial.

On a personal note, I'd hate to see the band dilute the awesome and almost totally unexpected success of the tour/album by prolonging it. Buffalo Bill did a farewell tour that lasted some two years and by the end, the attendances were pitiful.

And... why can't Mike go out as The Beach Boys ? What else can he do ? Pump gas ?
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« Reply #40 on: August 12, 2012, 03:46:30 AM »

Personally I hope mike and Bruce tour wih David and Al in tow while Brian stays home, makes albums and waits for the boys to drop by to add vocal overdubs. That worked fine back in the peak era and, if we believe everything we're hearing now, has just produced another good album.
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« Reply #41 on: August 12, 2012, 06:33:14 AM »

It's interesting that a certain well respected scholar of all things Beach Boys hasn't been to this thread. At least not yet.  Grin

Indeed. Well, in this guy's current absence, my take is that Mike will go back to touring with Bruce (and Alan ? Probably not. And David ? More likely but not a given) because it's what he does... and Brian will do what Brian usually does, which is forget all he's been saying about carrying on and go out on his own again. I'm thinking there may be undercurrents and rips that we fans know nothing of. I doubt it's purely financial.

On a personal note, I'd hate to see the band dilute the awesome and almost totally unexpected success of the tour/album by prolonging it. Buffalo Bill did a farewell tour that lasted some two years and by the end, the attendances were pitiful.

And... why can't Mike go out as The Beach Boys ? What else can he do ? Pump gas ?

Andrew - this year's colossally successful reunion tour, put the band back in some of the big venues.  Some of the smaller theater venues really took a big hit this season, because of the absence of the Touring Band, who were perennial seasonal headliners.  Some of these theaters are not casinos with another means of support and do a lot of educational community work.

That said, there is that enormous networked base, at least in the States, which seem to have had a annual standing invite.  Some of the venues are in outlying areas, that would never make the cut for the more regional venues that the reunion tour use.  They seem ready, willing and able to have the Touring Band back for their theater goers, and, the draw of The Band, which surely is good income for both, helps keep live theater alive.  And, take the kids and grand kids along.

And, who is to say when people should retire?  As long as good health is intact, and the desire to work is there, people want to hear the Beach Boys music.  I think Brian became more energized as the tour unfolded and his mobility seemed better.  By the time they get back to England, for that apparent end of the reunion tour, a bit of rest and regrouping might be in order.  There is a certain charm in playing for smaller venues.  Those venues kept the music alive when all fell apart after Carl's death.  Who would give up that momentum that took years to build?  And all that good will?

I think I understand the image thing you might be referring to, (and you'll tell me if I'm mistaken) but, that fan base which might not be the high-end very well put together specie of this deluxe tour.  The Band and The Music is more accessible to more fans, even if it's not the glamour version, with all the special effects, of this tour.  JMHO  Wink

What this tour did, most importantly to me, was allow the fans a place to recognize and honor Dennis and Carl.  It was a formal chance for the fans, complete with video footage.  People I ran into found that so important.  That done, they can move on, or go back, or do nothing, should they choose.  I don't think we've heard the last from them, and why waste all that hard-earned collective wisdom and never be creative again?

Sir Elton John had an interesting  spin on that.  In The Union movie with Leon Russell, Elton said he wanted to make his kind of music, and whether it was a big hit, was irrelevant.  He just wanted to keep creating what he wanted and make a difference doing it. 
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« Reply #42 on: August 12, 2012, 08:51:30 AM »

The Mike Love BBs have every legal right to tour as they do and they put on a great show, I just can't really consider them the real BBs with two members (one really with Bruce doing very little these days) in my opinion. Brian Wilson and Al Jardine are missed at shows and this year really proved it.
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« Reply #43 on: August 12, 2012, 03:19:05 PM »

Alan's voice adds a lot to the harmonies.
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« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2012, 08:10:16 PM »

The Mike Love BBs have every legal right to tour as they do and they put on a great show, I just can't really consider them the real BBs with two members (one really with Bruce doing very little these days) in my opinion. Brian Wilson and Al Jardine are missed at shows and this year really proved it.
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« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2012, 08:12:27 PM »

It would be the perfect time to retire the name.  Go out on top...not as some county fair oldies act. 
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« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2012, 10:45:09 PM »

It's interesting that a certain well respected scholar of all things Beach Boys hasn't been to this thread. At least not yet.  Grin

Indeed. Well, in this guy's current absence, my take is that Mike will go back to touring with Bruce (and Alan ? Probably not. And David ? More likely but not a given) because it's what he does... and Brian will do what Brian usually does, which is forget all he's been saying about carrying on and go out on his own again. I'm thinking there may be undercurrents and rips that we fans know nothing of. I doubt it's purely financial.

On a personal note, I'd hate to see the band dilute the awesome and almost totally unexpected success of the tour/album by prolonging it. Buffalo Bill did a farewell tour that lasted some two years and by the end, the attendances were pitiful.

And... why can't Mike go out as The Beach Boys ? What else can he do ? Pump gas ?

Uh oh. Seems like they ain't gonna stay together after this year. Ah well, at least we got this tour and album. Here's hoping that they continue recording together, however unlikely that might be.
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« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2012, 11:11:39 PM »

The Mike Love BBs have every legal right to tour as they do and they put on a great show, I just can't really consider them the real BBs with two members (one really with Bruce doing very little these days) in my opinion. Brian Wilson and Al Jardine are missed at shows and this year really proved it.

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« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2012, 12:01:59 AM »

It's interesting that a certain well respected scholar of all things Beach Boys hasn't been to this thread. At least not yet.  Grin

Indeed. Well, in this guy's current absence, my take is that Mike will go back to touring with Bruce (and Alan ? Probably not. And David ? More likely but not a given) because it's what he does... and Brian will do what Brian usually does, which is forget all he's been saying about carrying on and go out on his own again. I'm thinking there may be undercurrents and rips that we fans know nothing of. I doubt it's purely financial.

On a personal note, I'd hate to see the band dilute the awesome and almost totally unexpected success of the tour/album by prolonging it. Buffalo Bill did a farewell tour that lasted some two years and by the end, the attendances were pitiful.

And... why can't Mike go out as The Beach Boys ? What else can he do ? Pump gas ?

I'd have to say, this would be a shame. Simply because the shows have been so good and so right seeming. I would hate to see them give it up entirely -- at the very least, they could do a handful of shows each year, possibly some limited recording. But that will all shake out, I suppose.
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« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2012, 12:54:28 AM »

I don't expect them to do much on the recording side, simply because older acts like them don't sell anymore - except the GH comps like SOS. TWGMTR debuted high, and now, only a couple months later, is almost off 200. SOS will continue to sell year after year, because it's got the familiar hits on it. Things might be a bit different if radio had a place for 2012 BB's music. but we all know how horrible radio playlists are now. It won't surprise me if Al and David tour with Mike and Bruce, but Brian? He's never been a road dog. Yeah, he's toured a lot in recent years, but I don't believe for a minute that is his choice. The albums don't sell, so the money's gotta come from somewhere, and on the road is where Brian's handlers have put him. As long as Mike, Bruce, Al and David are out there representing his music "live", he really shouldn't have to do it...but we will see.
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