Has Anyone Else Heard Any Unrealeaed Albums/ Lost Materpieces Besides Smile?

[Alex]

Who cares if MJ was a good dancer? One, James Brown, Jackie Wilson, and even Louis Jordan did the same moves much better...Two, throngs of backup dancers and big spectacles that are closer to Broadway numbers than to R&R/R&B/Soul don`t really help the artistic credibility.

[Newguy562]

Who cares if MJ was a good dancer? One, James Brown, Jackie Wilson, and even Louis Jordan did the same moves much better...Two, throngs of backup dancers and big spectacles that are closer to Broadway numbers than to R&R/R&B/Soul don`t really help the artistic credibility.

so you don't like michael jackson's music?
i think off the wall...thriller & bad are all classics

[Lonely Summer]

MJ made some serious mistakes in his personal life, but he was a great talent, I don't see how anyone can deny that. That takes nothing away from James Brown and others who preceded him. JB was a bit of a mess in the later years, too, but in terms of singing, performing, showmanship, he was unbeatable.

[Alex]

I like ABC123, I Want You Back, Rock With You and Bille Jean. And that`s it. Unless Eat It or Fat count.

[Newguy562]

MJ made some serious mistakes in his personal life, but he was a great talent, I don't see how anyone can deny that. That takes nothing away from James Brown and others who preceded him. JB was a bit of a mess in the later years, too, but in terms of singing, performing, showmanship, he was unbeatable.

Yes he was a little screwed in the head..mistakes? he did it twice ..it was a real sickness smh

[Ron]

Who cares if MJ was a good dancer? One, James Brown, Jackie Wilson, and even Louis Jordan did the same moves much better...Two, throngs of backup dancers and big spectacles that are closer to Broadway numbers than to R&R/R&B/Soul don`t really help the artistic credibility.

Just so you know: you missed an incredible talent... flew right over your head.  You looked at something great, and yawned. 

[peerke]

Back on track: Ryan Adams has a whole bunch of unreleased albums, with and without Whiskeytown.
I hope he'll released some of them one time officially.

[Newguy562]

Who cares if MJ was a good dancer? One, James Brown, Jackie Wilson, and even Louis Jordan did the same moves much better...Two, throngs of backup dancers and big spectacles that are closer to Broadway numbers than to R&R/R&B/Soul don`t really help the artistic credibility.

Just so you know: you missed an incredible talent... flew right over your head.  You looked at something great, and yawned. 

exactly ...he was a true legend it's a shame that his personal life overshadowed his talent...(well at least not to me but for some people)

[Ron]

BTW, just to get COMPLETELY off topic, here's Michael geeking out when he got to give James Brown a lifetime achievement award.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN48lsXL1oA&feature=related

complete with crying, dancing, wigs, and that famous cape.


and here's the Jackson 5's motown audition tape, where Michael danced and sang James Brown.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsR3Wr67BHU

He said his mom used to wake him up in the middle of the night "Michael! Don't wake your father... James Brown is on T.V.!" and he'd get out of bed and go watch him on t.v. with his mom in the middle of the night.


You're right though Alex.  Nothing special about him.  Even at 10.  

[Newguy562]

BTW, just to get COMPLETELY off topic, here's Michael geeking out when he got to give James Brown a lifetime achievement award.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN48lsXL1oA&feature=related

complete with crying, dancing, wigs, and that famous cape.


and here's the Jackson 5's motown audition tape, where Michael danced and sang James Brown.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsR3Wr67BHU

He said his mom used to wake him up in the middle of the night "Michael! Don't wake your father... James Brown is on T.V.!" and he'd get out of bed and go watch him on t.v. with his mom in the middle of the night.


You're right though Alex.  Nothing special about him.  Even at 10.  

wow that was incredible how about this though? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHaFj7gOWh4

[bigideas]

I was never into MJ as a kid. I never got his albums or anything and I was a child of the 80's/90's.
It wasn't until I got the Special Edition of Off the Wall with the demos that I really realized how talented he was.
Go and listen to the demos. He wrote some or most of his biggest hits, and it was all there in the demos. What's really cool with the OTW demos is that his family is recording with him and they're playing all this percussion. It sounds really cool.

[Newguy562]

I was never into MJ as a kid. I never got his albums or anything and I was a child of the 80's/90's.
It wasn't until I got the Special Edition of Off the Wall with the demos that I really realized how talented he was.
Go and listen to the demos. He wrote some or most of his biggest hits, and it was all there in the demos. What's really cool with the OTW demos is that his family is recording with him and they're playing all this percussion. It sounds really cool.

i was born in the 90's and when i was young my bros showed me his music videos i thought he was the coolest person on earth the way he danced and walked on the sidewalk and made it light up (billie jean) to me he was magical for some reason...yeah you're right his demos are unbelievable ever heard this beauty before? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wZbJC_fXyU

[bigideas]

I was never into MJ as a kid. I never got his albums or anything and I was a child of the 80's/90's.
It wasn't until I got the Special Edition of Off the Wall with the demos that I really realized how talented he was.
Go and listen to the demos. He wrote some or most of his biggest hits, and it was all there in the demos. What's really cool with the OTW demos is that his family is recording with him and they're playing all this percussion. It sounds really cool.

i was born in the 90's and when i was young my bros showed me his music videos i thought he was the coolest person on earth the way he danced and walked on the sidewalk and made it light up (billie jean) to me he was magical for some reason...yeah you're right his demos are unbelievable ever heard this beauty before? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wZbJC_fXyU

Never heard that one. It seems to have no connection to the Thriller version besides the title.
Some of the unreleased tracks are better than the ones that made the cut. I'm sure several really solid albums could be made from his unreleased stuff. I wish they would do deluxe versions of the albums and keep it era specific with all the unreleased cut tracks and demos.

[Newguy562]

I was never into MJ as a kid. I never got his albums or anything and I was a child of the 80's/90's.
It wasn't until I got the Special Edition of Off the Wall with the demos that I really realized how talented he was.
Go and listen to the demos. He wrote some or most of his biggest hits, and it was all there in the demos. What's really cool with the OTW demos is that his family is recording with him and they're playing all this percussion. It sounds really cool.

i was born in the 90's and when i was young my bros showed me his music videos i thought he was the coolest person on earth the way he danced and walked on the sidewalk and made it light up (billie jean) to me he was magical for some reason...yeah you're right his demos are unbelievable ever heard this beauty before? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wZbJC_fXyU

Never heard that one. It seems to have no connection to the Thriller version besides the title.
Some of the unreleased tracks are better than the ones that made the cut. I'm sure several really solid albums could be made from his unreleased stuff. I wish they would do deluxe versions of the albums and keep it era specific with all the unreleased cut tracks and demos.

yeah you're absolutely right he could've made a few rarities albums with all the demos and songs that were intended for his albums but didn't make it
yes this pyt was supposed to be a smooth song but quincy joes said it's best if it's something you can dance to so he changed it and now we have the pyt on thriller
this is one of my favorite outtakes too check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJiQt7A4m7Q

[Ron]

Back when he was still recording albums, I used to hear news on fan sites all the time, interviews with people working with him, etc.  I can tell you, he's got hundreds of unreleased songs.  The ones that have leaked, etc. are just the tip of the iceberg.  There's literally been dozens of musicians who've spoken about recording sessions they did with him, and for a long time in the 90's he recorded really frequently.  He was rarely happy with any of the music though and would re-record the songs over and over again.  I wouldn't be surprised if he had 2 or 3 hundred songs that are partially recorded. 

Since he was so young when he started, when he signed his solo contracts he knew a little bit about the music business... so he did things, oh, like pay for his own studio time so he owns all his masters.  The deal he cut with Sony/ATV was epic, he took half their catalog, they took half of his Beatles catalog, and paid him 90million dollars for the honor.  His kids are still earning a fortune off of that.... and his personal music wasn't included, so they own his catalog lock stock and barrel.  I believe his children own the Charlie Chaplin catalog in toto as well, it was a pet thing he wanted to buy. 

Another thing I think is worth mentioning about him: When he passed away, it was revealed that his trust stated that upon his death, 20% of his estate was to be given away to children's charities.  Despite all the news reports, at death he was worth approximately 500 million dollars.  I believe 20% of the earnings after his death (which have been considerable) are earmarked for charity as well. 

Amazingly, with all the basic exploitation he was subjected to his whole life (Dad took his money... managers took his money.... everybody took his money), he actually named two trustees who have done an incredible job of managing his estate better than he ever dreamed of. 

[Newguy562]

Back when he was still recording albums, I used to hear news on fan sites all the time, interviews with people working with him, etc.  I can tell you, he's got hundreds of unreleased songs.  The ones that have leaked, etc. are just the tip of the iceberg.  There's literally been dozens of musicians who've spoken about recording sessions they did with him, and for a long time in the 90's he recorded really frequently.  He was rarely happy with any of the music though and would re-record the songs over and over again.  I wouldn't be surprised if he had 2 or 3 hundred songs that are partially recorded. 

Since he was so young when he started, when he signed his solo contracts he knew a little bit about the music business... so he did things, oh, like pay for his own studio time so he owns all his masters.  The deal he cut with Sony/ATV was epic, he took half their catalog, they took half of his Beatles catalog, and paid him 90million dollars for the honor.  His kids are still earning a fortune off of that.... and his personal music wasn't included, so they own his catalog lock stock and barrel.  I believe his children own the Charlie Chaplin catalog in toto as well, it was a pet thing he wanted to buy. 

Another thing I think is worth mentioning about him: When he passed away, it was revealed that his trust stated that upon his death, 20% of his estate was to be given away to children's charities.  Despite all the news reports, at death he was worth approximately 500 million dollars.  I believe 20% of the earnings after his death (which have been considerable) are earmarked for charity as well. 

Amazingly, with all the basic exploitation he was subjected to his whole life (Dad took his money... managers took his money.... everybody took his money), he actually named two trustees who have done an incredible job of managing his estate better than he ever dreamed of. 

mike was a good dude he really gave a shitload of money to charities that was something he believed in he really wanted to make this world a happier place it's sickening that people attack him for some sh*t he was accused of anybody can lie and accuse you of sh*t and this is the country where you're innocent til proven guilty in reality it's like the other way around!
did you like the demo i just showed you? and i hope they keep releasing his music and keep his legacy alive.....if it wasn't for his music i would of never got into the beach boys like i did...it was a stepping stone in me getting into classic music

[Zander]

wow :O now that's scary I really hope Pete isn't into that kind of stuff..it says they found child porn on his computer wtf!!!

He was UNEQUIVOCALLY CLEARED OF ALL CHARGES.  

No he wasn't - he accepted a caution and had to sign on the Sex Offenders Register, so not really. If it was anyone else they'd have been charged...

[Newguy562]

wow :O now that's scary I really hope Pete isn't into that kind of stuff..it says they found child porn on his computer wtf!!!

He was UNEQUIVOCALLY CLEARED OF ALL CHARGES.  

No he wasn't - he accepted a caution and had to sign on the Sex Offenders Register, so not really. If it was anyone else they'd have been charged...

wow so he's a sex offender? :O

[OneEar/OneEye]

Doesn't one have to be charged and convicted of certain crimes to be put on such a list?   
What was he convicted of, exactly?   And when was the trial at which he was convicted of such crimes? 
Seriously, this is all just an example of "once accused....."

[Zander]

He saved himself a trial because he admitted accessing the sites and the police decided it was not in their interests to take further steps from the evidence provided...

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCoQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guardian.co.uk%2Fuk%2F2003%2Fmay%2F08%2Farts.ukcrime&ei=VwIEUI78H-mu0QWNuISxBw&usg=AFQjCNH1zDetfAkeLgbtwqTGWW59B4QK0g

[Newguy562]

something about this seems fishy..why would he even be on child porn sites? it's just weird and extremely creepy!

[OneEar/OneEye]

Right.  He admitted to (stupidly) accessing certain materials.   He was cautioned on this.  He cooperated 100% with the authorities.  They investigated the guy, he was (and sadly still is being) dragged through the mud.   His explanation for why he did this is a matter of public record (so not difficult for one to locate if you actually wish to).  I believe him, and so did the authorities.  Whether being Pete Townshend or not - if they had found hard evidence that he was a molester, or a child porn trafficker (or some such), I don't believe for a minute that he wouldn't have been charged.    He wasn't though because he isn't guilty of anything like that. 
Again though, sadly "once accused...." 

[Newguy562]

Right.  He admitted to (stupidly) accessing certain materials.   He was cautioned on this.  He cooperated 100% with the authorities.  They investigated the guy, he was (and sadly still is being) dragged through the mud.   His explanation for why he did this is a matter of public record (so not difficult for one to locate if you actually wish to).  I believe him, and so did the authorities.  Whether being Pete Townshend or not - if they had found hard evidence that he was a molester, or a child porn trafficker (or some such), I don't believe for a minute that he wouldn't have been charged.    He wasn't though because he isn't guilty of anything like that. 
Again though, sadly "once accused...." 

There is no reason to even go on creepy websites like that ..only weirdo's google stupid sh*t like that..
Pete is a legend and one of the greatest song-writers/multi-instrumentalists but he's into kids and that's wrong on so many levels..

[OneEar/OneEye]

Bottom line:  he was thoroughly investigated.  He was not charged or convicted of any crimes.   Had there been any such evidence to charge or convict him of such crimes, they would have (whether he's Pete Townshend or not).
And that, as they say, is that.  Period.

[bigideas]

re: MJ

I have no doubt he has 100's of unreleased songs in various states. Too, if he called someone up to collaborate I'm sure they would bring as much stuff as they could just to get a cut on one of his albums.

I haven't really been interested in those unreleased compilations they've put out since his death. They seem to mostly be from 2000 on, I think, and some question if it's really him on the songs anyway, even his family.

The other day I was in Wal-Mart and they recently put out a CD single:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/I-Just-Can-t-Stop-Loving-You-Walmart-Exclusive/20925480

The b-side is a demo. Not sure if it had been released before.

While looking for that, I saw that there will be a 3CD/1 DVD 25th Anniv Bad released in Sept.

Like Dr Dre right now. Detox has been going on for over a decade. I'm sure there are 100's of songs from that.
With a project like that, I wish he would release his finished album version, and then release all the other stuff. Like a Smile/Pet Sounds box or series, that would be cool that once (and if) he puts Detox out, then they started releasing everything by year. You would get everything he worked on in 2000, etc. For me, with a lot of these type of albums that involve a lot of collaboration, it seems they keep some songs that are weaker maybe because of who's on it, instead of choosing the best tracks.