The Smiley Smile Message Board
Welcome,
Guest
. Please
login
or
register
.
1 Hour
1 Day
1 Week
1 Month
Forever
Login with username, password and session length
If you like this message board, please help with the hosting costs!
680849
Posts in
27616
Topics by
4067
Members - Latest Member:
Dae Lims
April 27, 2024, 07:04:19 AM
The Smiley Smile Message Board
|
Smiley Smile Stuff
|
General On Topic Discussions
|
The "Time to Get Alone" Massacre :/
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
« previous
next »
Pages:
[
1
]
2
Author
Topic: The "Time to Get Alone" Massacre :/ (Read 6032 times)
Newguy562
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1878
The "Time to Get Alone" Massacre :/
«
on:
June 03, 2012, 04:16:04 AM »
"It all came to a head...when Mike Love, Carl Wilson and Al Jardine came to the studio and heard our version of 'Time To Get Alone'...They manoeuvred Brian into the control booth and reduced him to tears. It was a cruel and pathetic scene. Danny, Cory and I were in the studio and could see it all happening through the control-booth window. It was as if Brian had turned into a little boy. The conversation appeared quiet and calm, but we could tell it was emotional and intense. The others were doing most of the talking, like overbearing, controlling parents. Brian would move away, and they would block his escape. We couldn't hear what was being said, but I think a good lip-reader would have picked up something like, 'We don't give a sh*t about these guys, and we want those songs for us.' We could actually feel Brian crumbling, and when he came out of the booth, a tear dropped down his cheek. His head was lowered and his shoulders sagged. It was the body language of a child who had just been scolded and punished. And this brilliant musical icon - whose songs defined one generation and influenced another - weepingly told us, 'We can't do this. I have to give the songs to them. They're family and I have to take care of my family. They want the songs. I'll give you any amount of money you want to finish an album, but I can't produce it. They won't let me.'" - Chuck Negron
Do anyone want to elaborate on this story? I know Brian was very sick around this time but it seems a little far-fetched :/ and anyone have any more info on this?
(& If someone already posted something similar to this post the link or ignore this thread.)
«
Last Edit: June 03, 2012, 04:52:38 AM by Newguy562
»
Logged
runnersdialzero
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 5143
I WILL NEVER GO TO SCHOOL
Re: The \
«
Reply #1 on:
June 03, 2012, 04:40:58 AM »
THE
Logged
Tell me it's okay.
Tell me you still love me.
People make mistakes.
People make mistakes.
Autotune
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 1699
Re: The \
«
Reply #2 on:
June 03, 2012, 04:49:11 AM »
Well, I wasn't there.
But the BB version of TTGA is unbeatable.
Logged
"His lyrical ability has never been touched by anyone, except for Mike Love."
-Brian Wilson on Van Dyke Parks (2015)
runnersdialzero
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 5143
I WILL NEVER GO TO SCHOOL
Re: The \
«
Reply #3 on:
June 03, 2012, 07:00:53 AM »
I believe Danny Hutton said it's bullsh
it, or it at least didn't happen in front of him or anyone else in the band or who was around at the time. It's known that the guys DID tell Brian they wanted "Darlin'" and "Time To Get Alone" for the Beach Boys, but the confrontation wasn't thought to be like this.
The Redwood "Time To Get Alone" is totally fuckin' goofy, to my ears. Not a bad band at all, but that vocal performance - man. Not good. Especially when stacked up to Carl's attempts.
Logged
Tell me it's okay.
Tell me you still love me.
People make mistakes.
People make mistakes.
Newguy562
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1878
Re: The \
«
Reply #4 on:
June 03, 2012, 07:09:04 AM »
Quote from: runnersdialzero on June 03, 2012, 07:00:53 AM
I believe Danny Hutton said it's bullsh
it, or it at least didn't happen in front of him or anyone else in the band or who was around at the time. It's known that the guys DID tell Brian they wanted "Darlin'" and "Time To Get Alone" for the Beach Boys, but the confrontation wasn't thought to be like this.
The Redwood "Time To Get Alone" is totally f*ckin' goofy, to my ears. Not a bad band at all, but that vocal performance - man. Not good. Especially when stacked up to Carl's attempts.
I pretty much knew that their version would be sh*t compared to the bb's....Whenever I hear cover songs of the bb's it makes me cringe like elton's & david bowie's rendition of god only knows..
I never even heard of redwood til now..it's so childish that he'd make up a story like that about brian :/
Logged
runnersdialzero
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 5143
I WILL NEVER GO TO SCHOOL
Re: The \
«
Reply #5 on:
June 03, 2012, 07:13:06 AM »
Eh. Maybe Danny Hutton's full of shi
t. Maybe I'm full of sh
it. Hard to say.
Also, the circumstances under which "Time To Get Alone" happened doesn't really make it a cover. Brian produced and directed these guys, this is his work and his arrangement with Redwood's vocals over it.
Anyone know if it was even finished? I haven't listened to it in a while, but I feel like all the harmonies of the Beach Boys version aren't there.
Logged
Tell me it's okay.
Tell me you still love me.
People make mistakes.
People make mistakes.
buddhahat
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 2643
Hi, my name's Doug. Would you like to dance?
Re: The \
«
Reply #6 on:
June 03, 2012, 07:48:14 AM »
I like the Redwood version, but maybe more because it retains the beautiful french horn break. That original backing track is one of the single most beautiful productions he ever did imo. Just blows my mind every time I hear it.
Logged
Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes ......
LetHimRun
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 361
Re: The \
«
Reply #7 on:
June 03, 2012, 07:56:30 AM »
Quote from: Newguy562 on June 03, 2012, 07:09:04 AM
Quote from: runnersdialzero on June 03, 2012, 07:00:53 AM
I believe Danny Hutton said it's bullsh
it, or it at least didn't happen in front of him or anyone else in the band or who was around at the time. It's known that the guys DID tell Brian they wanted "Darlin'" and "Time To Get Alone" for the Beach Boys, but the confrontation wasn't thought to be like this.
The Redwood "Time To Get Alone" is totally f*ckin' goofy, to my ears. Not a bad band at all, but that vocal performance - man. Not good. Especially when stacked up to Carl's attempts.
I pretty much knew that their version would be sh*t compared to the bb's....Whenever I hear cover songs of the bb's it makes me cringe like elton's & david bowie's rendition of god only knows..
I never even heard of redwood til now..it's so childish that he'd make up a story like that about brian :/
I don't think you understand who Redwood was. Redwood was the original name for the group that became Three Dog Night. They did some things with Brian producing them in 1967, but their big break came in 1969 with the US #29 hit "Try a Little Tenderness" and then from then on, their next 19 singles all went top 19 or better on the Billboard top 100. 11 top 10, 9 top 5, and 3 number 1's. Songs included Easy to be Hard, Joy to the World, Mama Told Me Not to Come, One (a cover of Harry Nilsson), Liar, Shambala, Never Been to Spain, etc, etc.
As for the story, things get stretched and people try to make themselves look better or others worse, you can't really put a lot of stock into it.
«
Last Edit: June 03, 2012, 07:58:30 AM by LetHimRun
»
Logged
Newguy562
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1878
Re: The \
«
Reply #8 on:
June 03, 2012, 08:00:52 AM »
Quote from: LetHimRun on June 03, 2012, 07:56:30 AM
Quote from: Newguy562 on June 03, 2012, 07:09:04 AM
Quote from: runnersdialzero on June 03, 2012, 07:00:53 AM
I believe Danny Hutton said it's bullsh
it, or it at least didn't happen in front of him or anyone else in the band or who was around at the time. It's known that the guys DID tell Brian they wanted "Darlin'" and "Time To Get Alone" for the Beach Boys, but the confrontation wasn't thought to be like this.
The Redwood "Time To Get Alone" is totally f*ckin' goofy, to my ears. Not a bad band at all, but that vocal performance - man. Not good. Especially when stacked up to Carl's attempts.
I pretty much knew that their version would be sh*t compared to the bb's....Whenever I hear cover songs of the bb's it makes me cringe like elton's & david bowie's rendition of god only knows..
I never even heard of redwood til now..it's so childish that he'd make up a story like that about brian :/
I don't think you understand who Redwood was. Redwood was the original name for the group that became Three Dog Night. They did some things with Brian producing them in 1967, but their big break came in 1969 with the US #29 hit "Try a Little Tenderness" and then from then on, their next 19 singles all went top 19 or better on the Billboard top 100. 11 top 10, 9 top 5, and 3 number 1's. Songs included Easy to be Hard, Joy to the World, Mama Told Me Not to Come, One (a cover of Harry Nilsson), Liar, Shambala, Never Been to Spain, etc, etc.
As for the story, things get stretched and people try to make themselves look better or others worse, you can't really put a lot of stock into it.
wow i had no idea that they were the same group ..they had some pretty solid hits that i heard in a few movies and on the radio before
omg brian should've signed them..could've made so much more money $$...damn that mike! lol jk
Logged
Andrew G. Doe
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 17767
The triumph of The Hickey Script !
Re: The \
«
Reply #9 on:
June 03, 2012, 09:01:33 AM »
Quote from: Newguy562 on June 03, 2012, 04:16:04 AM
"It all came to a head...when Mike Love, Carl Wilson and Al Jardine came to the studio and heard our version of 'Time To Get Alone'...They manoeuvred Brian into the control booth and reduced him to tears. It was a cruel and pathetic scene. Danny, Cory and I were in the studio and could see it all happening through the control-booth window. It was as if Brian had turned into a little boy. The conversation appeared quiet and calm, but we could tell it was emotional and intense. The others were doing most of the talking, like overbearing, controlling parents. Brian would move away, and they would block his escape. We couldn't hear what was being said, but I think a good lip-reader would have picked up something like, 'We don't give a sh*t about these guys, and we want those songs for us.' We could actually feel Brian crumbling, and when he came out of the booth, a tear dropped down his cheek. His head was lowered and his shoulders sagged. It was the body language of a child who had just been scolded and punished. And this brilliant musical icon - whose songs defined one generation and influenced another - weepingly told us, 'We can't do this. I have to give the songs to them. They're family and I have to take care of my family. They want the songs. I'll give you any amount of money you want to finish an album, but I can't produce it. They won't let me.'" - Chuck Negron
Do anyone want to elaborate on this story? I know Brian was very sick around this time but it seems a little far-fetched :/ and anyone have any more info on this?
(& If someone already posted something similar to this post the link or ignore this thread.)
Yeah...
1 - the sole source for this is Chuck Negron's book.
2 - in the 40+ years since it allegedly happened, Danny's never said word one about it, and he's never backwards in coming forwards...
3 - someone who knows their 3DN better than I says the dates don't fit.
Logged
The four sweetest words in my vocabulary: "This poster is ignored".
Mike's Beard
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 4265
Check your privilege. Love & Mercy guys!
Re: The \
«
Reply #10 on:
June 03, 2012, 01:27:10 PM »
What's really weird is that after wrestling the song away from Redwood the guys waited two years before putting it out on 20/20. Hands down it's better than pretty much everything on Wild Honey and Friends. It could have been a hit!! I think I even prefer the earlier attempt they did from the Hawthorne comp.
Logged
I'd rather be forced to sleep with Caitlyn Jenner then ever have to listen to NPP again.
Newguy562
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1878
Re: The \
«
Reply #11 on:
June 03, 2012, 01:42:09 PM »
Quote from: The Return of the Son of Mike's Beard on June 03, 2012, 01:27:10 PM
What's really weird is that after wrestling the song away from Redwood the guys waited two years before putting it out on 20/20. Hands down it's better than pretty much everything on Wild Honey and Friends. It could have been a hit!! I think I even prefer the earlier attempt they did from the Hawthorne comp.
wow really? that's not true..there's a few songs from friends/wild honey that's better than that..."wild honey,let the wind blow,passing by,busy doin nothing"
Logged
EgoHanger1966
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 2891
Re: The \
«
Reply #12 on:
June 03, 2012, 02:09:16 PM »
Better than all of those, dude. (of course, opinion.)
Logged
Hal Blaine:"You're gonna get a tomata all over yer puss!"
Brian: "Don't say puss."
DonnyL
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 1990
Re: The \
«
Reply #13 on:
June 03, 2012, 02:52:53 PM »
I don't buy it.
Maybe there's a seed a truth in there, but some of these guys have a way with embellishing their memories and mixing stories together. And yeh, I think this guy had a drug or drinking problem, and likely a ghost-writer for this book.
He probably saw some kind of heated discussion or argument at a Beach Boys session and also remembers the supposed 'Time to Get Alone' tug-of-war and put the two together or something.
Another thing I've noticed is that some old-timers actually read the stories in the media/books and then 'remember' them.
Logged
http://www.trounrecords.com
Runaways
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 2008
Re: The \
«
Reply #14 on:
June 03, 2012, 03:57:51 PM »
i think it was embellished a bit too, but i think i could go along with the guys wanting it to be a beach boys song
Logged
Cam Mott
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 4171
Re: The \
«
Reply #15 on:
June 03, 2012, 04:24:31 PM »
What was recorded by/for the Beach Boys on Oct 11 & 12 1967?
Logged
"Bring me the head of Carmen Sandiego" Lynne "The Chief" Thigpen
buddhahat
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 2643
Hi, my name's Doug. Would you like to dance?
Re: The \
«
Reply #16 on:
June 03, 2012, 04:27:13 PM »
Quote from: Cam Mott on June 03, 2012, 04:24:31 PM
What was recorded by/for the Beach Boys on Oct 11 & 12 1967?
I'm not with you. Are you talking about the Wild Honey era recording of TTGA? But it should have been logged as Redwood, not the BB, right?
Logged
Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes, Bedroom Tapes ......
GeorgeFellInHisHorn
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 133
Re: The \
«
Reply #17 on:
June 03, 2012, 04:38:09 PM »
Quote from: buddhahat on June 03, 2012, 04:27:13 PM
Quote from: Cam Mott on June 03, 2012, 04:24:31 PM
What was recorded by/for the Beach Boys on Oct 11 & 12 1967?
I'm not with you. Are you talking about the Wild Honey era recording of TTGA? But it should have been logged as Redwood, not the BB, right?
I
think
he's referring to the logged Oct 11&12 Wild Honey sessions for "untitled song"(according to the Bellagio site), which occurred right before the Redwood sessions for TTGA on the 14&15(also according to Bellagio)
Logged
Check out my H&V excerpt cover:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,11226.0.html
anazgnos
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 384
Re: The \
«
Reply #18 on:
June 03, 2012, 04:42:44 PM »
Quote from: DonnyL on June 03, 2012, 02:52:53 PM
Maybe there's a seed a truth in there
Right, its not wildly beyond stuff everybody probably already assumes is true. Brian did seem to want to pull away from the band around that time, and if he was coming up with full-bred Wilson Magic for outside artists at a time when the group was struggling, then something like this may well have happened. The narrative that Negron forwards about Brian being totally cowed or psychologically destroyed by Carl is the dubious part, and in the end its not really the important part.
Now was it Hutton or Negron who had the story about his penis exploding during sex from overuse?
Logged
Cam Mott
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 4171
Re: The \
«
Reply #19 on:
June 03, 2012, 08:20:21 PM »
Quote from: GeorgeFellInHisHorn on June 03, 2012, 04:38:09 PM
Quote from: buddhahat on June 03, 2012, 04:27:13 PM
Quote from: Cam Mott on June 03, 2012, 04:24:31 PM
What was recorded by/for the Beach Boys on Oct 11 & 12 1967?
I'm not with you. Are you talking about the Wild Honey era recording of TTGA? But it should have been logged as Redwood, not the BB, right?
I
think
he's referring to the logged Oct 11&12 Wild Honey sessions for "untitled song"(according to the Bellagio site), which occurred right before the Redwood sessions for TTGA on the 14&15(also according to Bellagio)
I thought it had been established that the BBs had recorded a track for one of the established or alleged Redwood recordings, Darlin or TTGA, before any documented Redwood recording date? Maybe not.
UPDATE: It is not. I was completely wrong. Disregard.
«
Last Edit: June 03, 2012, 08:29:22 PM by Cam Mott
»
Logged
"Bring me the head of Carmen Sandiego" Lynne "The Chief" Thigpen
Andrew G. Doe
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Gender:
Posts: 17767
The triumph of The Hickey Script !
Re: The \
«
Reply #20 on:
June 03, 2012, 09:43:12 PM »
Quote from: anazgnos on June 03, 2012, 04:42:44 PM
Quote from: DonnyL on June 03, 2012, 02:52:53 PM
Maybe there's a seed a truth in there
Right, its not wildly beyond stuff everybody probably already assumes is true. Brian did seem to want to pull away from the band around that time, and if he was coming up with full-bred Wilson Magic for outside artists at a time when the group was struggling, then something like this may well have happened. The narrative that Negron forwards about Brian being totally cowed or psychologically destroyed by Carl is the dubious part, and in the end its not really the important part.
Now was it Hutton or Negron who had the story about his penis exploding during sex from overuse?
Negron.
Logged
The four sweetest words in my vocabulary: "This poster is ignored".
runnersdialzero
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 5143
I WILL NEVER GO TO SCHOOL
Re: The \
«
Reply #21 on:
June 03, 2012, 10:13:26 PM »
Quote from: The Return of the Son of Mike's Beard on June 03, 2012, 01:27:10 PM
What's really weird is that after wrestling the song away from Redwood the guys waited two years before putting it out on 20/20. Hands down it's better than pretty much everything on Wild Honey and Friends. It could have been a hit!! I think I even prefer the earlier attempt they did from the Hawthorne comp.
These guys were always shuffling around with and sitting on songs for some time occasionally. Worst sentence ever, but you get what I mean. Keep in mind, too, that "Time To Get Alone" went through some changes in that time. It could have been a matter of dissatisfaction with the bridge until it arrived to the point that it did.
There's also the fact that it was two songs, too - "Time To Get Alone" and "Darlin'", the latter of which was put on an album right away. "Time To Get Alone" wouldn't have fit on Wild Honey at all (imo), and maybe Brian was thinking two waltz-y tracks on Friends was enough. fu
ckifiknow.
Logged
Tell me it's okay.
Tell me you still love me.
People make mistakes.
People make mistakes.
guitarfool2002
Global Moderator
Offline
Posts: 10011
"Barba non facit aliam historici"
Re: The \
«
Reply #22 on:
June 03, 2012, 11:12:38 PM »
If you read this account of the Three Dog Night history, Van Dyke Parks all but takes credit for not only the name of the band but also claims to be their producer in those early days...he was close with Danny Hutton and this account was a tribute for Danny...and that could very well have been part of the story but it is told more often that Brian Wilson was the band's early "producer" and all but got them together to make records as a trio (so I thought).
Hmmm. Conflicting stories? Brian's work with Redwood or the name Redwood isn't even mentioned.
VDP's piece is here:
http://www.fufkin.com/columns/fufkin/whatever_hutton.htm
Logged
"All of us have the privilege of making music that helps and heals - to make music that makes people happier, stronger, and kinder. Don't forget: Music is God's voice." - Brian Wilson
runnersdialzero
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 5143
I WILL NEVER GO TO SCHOOL
Re: The \
«
Reply #23 on:
June 04, 2012, 12:03:37 AM »
Quote from: anazgnos on June 03, 2012, 04:42:44 PM
Now was it Hutton or Negron who had the story about his penis exploding during sex from overuse?
As ridiculous as it sounds, I've read this can actually happen
It doesn't literally "explode", the blood vessels can burst. That's what the always questionable interwebz said, anyway.
Logged
Tell me it's okay.
Tell me you still love me.
People make mistakes.
People make mistakes.
Jukka
Smiley Smile Associate
Offline
Posts: 739
Re: The \
«
Reply #24 on:
June 04, 2012, 02:08:43 AM »
I've read some Grand Funk Railroad member's member exploded, too. But I don't get it, how is it possible?
Logged
"Surfing and cars were okay but there was a war going on."
Pages:
[
1
]
2
Jump to:
Please select a destination:
-----------------------------
Smiley Smile Stuff
-----------------------------
=> BRIAN WILSON Q & A
=> Welcome to the Smiley Smile board
=> General On Topic Discussions
===> Ask The Honored Guests
===> Smiley Smile Reference Threads
=> Smile Sessions Box Set (2011)
=> The Beach Boys Media
=> Concert Reviews
=> Album, Book and Video Reviews And Discussions
===> 1960's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1970's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1980's Beach Boys Albums
===> 1990's Beach Boys Albums
===> 21st Century Beach Boys Albums
===> Brian Wilson Solo Albums
===> Other Solo Albums
===> Produced by or otherwise related to
===> Tribute Albums
===> DVDs and Videos
===> Book Reviews
===> 'Rank the Tracks'
===> Polls
-----------------------------
Non Smiley Smile Stuff
-----------------------------
=> General Music Discussion
=> General Entertainment Thread
=> Smiley Smilers Who Make Music
=> The Sandbox
Powered by SMF 1.1.21
|
SMF © 2015, Simple Machines
Page created in 0.897 seconds with 22 queries.
Helios Multi
design by
Bloc
Loading...