Jeffrey Foskett - what's the joke?

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Frankie Valli still has a pretty strong falsetto, but though you can definitely hear him in the mix, he is doubled or even tripled at live performances.  It's just a hard sound to pull off live.  If Jeff recused himself from the duty, someone else would be asked to fill it (and since Brian no longer sings falsetto for the most part, Jeff already is doubled or tripled live when they have the full band).  They just need to find a better balance in the mix.  Also, when Jeff doubles with Brian on the non-falsetto parts, you can see either in videos or at the performances that there are times when Brian doesn't even open his mouth and sing.  That's not Jeff's fault.

[Don_Zabu]

People don't like him because in their mind, they think they sing falsetto better than him.  99% of the hate you see thrown at him is because of this fact.  Most people don't want to admit it, but when they sing along with their cds, they imagine that they've finally figured out how to hit those notes just right, and Jeff simply isn't doing it right in their eyes.

From there, everything he does is flawed to them, and they think he's convinced Brian he's the falsetto guy the same way Landy convinced Brian he was his friend. 

You'll soon see several of these haters replying telling me I'm wrong, which will tune you into the fact that perhaps I'm right. 

 

Those of us who think Jeff sounded pretty terrible on the Grammys and at Dodger Stadium are not "haters."  I get tired of hearing that world thrown around.  It's a way to invalidate other people's opinions that are quite valid.  "You didn't like that? You're just a hater!" Jeff sounded bad in those two instances, which was not a good way to kick off reunion appearances. Jeff's singing voice was never extraordinary in any range, but it was okay and acceptable in the falsetto range a few years ago.  It might still be okay in the lower ranges, but if that's what his falsetto sounds like now (and he wasn't just having a bad day or hay fever), the powers that be either should have other singers doubling him or they need to turn him down in the mix, a lot.

As for his other duties, I have no idea.  I can see why someone might yell at Brian if he's either being difficult or has a hard time hearing in a loud room.  I've seen pictures of him with Brian at signings at record stores, not just after shows, but then I've seen Taylor Mills in those pictures, too, so they could be coming out to represent the band as well as give Brian support.

Seconding this. Not all critics are jealous or have superiority complexes - hell, probably not even the majority.

[Melt Away]

When Jeff screams "GOD!" it sorta reminds me of Carl circa Love You or something. Funny, considering Love You is allegedly hated by Jeff/BW camp. I really hope they don't ignore LY this tour.

[runnersdialzero]

When Jeff screams "GOD!" it sorta reminds me of Carl circa Love You or something. Funny, considering Love You is allegedly hated by Jeff/BW camp. I really hope they don't ignore LY this tour.

It reminds me of terrible and too loud.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

People don't like him because in their mind, they think they sing falsetto better than him.  99% of the hate you see thrown at him is because of this fact.  Most people don't want to admit it, but when they sing along with their cds, they imagine that they've finally figured out how to hit those notes just right, and Jeff simply isn't doing it right in their eyes.

From there, everything he does is flawed to them, and they think he's convinced Brian he's the falsetto guy the same way Landy convinced Brian he was his friend.  

You'll soon see several of these haters replying telling me I'm wrong, which will tune you into the fact that perhaps I'm right.  

 

Those of us who think Jeff sounded pretty terrible on the Grammys and at Dodger Stadium are not "haters."  I get tired of hearing that world thrown around.  It's a way to invalidate other people's opinions that are quite valid.  "You didn't like that? You're just a hater!" Jeff sounded bad in those two instances, which was not a good way to kick off reunion appearances. Jeff's singing voice was never extraordinary in any range, but it was okay and acceptable in the falsetto range a few years ago.  It might still be okay in the lower ranges, but if that's what his falsetto sounds like now (and he wasn't just having a bad day or hay fever), the powers that be either should have other singers doubling him or they need to turn him down in the mix, a lot.

As for his other duties, I have no idea.  I can see why someone might yell at Brian if he's either being difficult or has a hard time hearing in a loud room.  I've seen pictures of him with Brian at signings at record stores, not just after shows, but then I've seen Taylor Mills in those pictures, too, so they could be coming out to represent the band as well as give Brian support.

Seconding this. Not all critics are jealous or have superiority complexes - hell, probably not even the majority.

I think it basically comes down to there are those of us who will be verbally disappointed if the Beach Boys 50th anniversary reunion tour goes out as basically "Jeff Foskett sings the Beach Boys: with special guests: The Beach Boys"!!! Any fan has every right to take issue with this.

I really really hope that tonight proves me(us) wrong however.

[lance]

When Jeff screams "GOD!" it sorta reminds me of Carl circa Love You or something. Funny, considering Love You is allegedly hated by Jeff/BW camp. I really hope they don't ignore LY this tour.

It reminds me of terrible and too loud.

Clearly there is no other explanation for your so-called opinion but jealousy.

[runnersdialzero]

When Jeff screams "GOD!" it sorta reminds me of Carl circa Love You or something. Funny, considering Love You is allegedly hated by Jeff/BW camp. I really hope they don't ignore LY this tour.

It reminds me of terrible and too loud.

Clearly there is no other explanation for your so-called opinion but jealousy.

Jealous of what, exactly? ^_^

[Mikie]

You guys sound like a bunch of girls.  Serious.  Don't you have anything to do?

[Lonely Summer]

When Jeff screams "GOD!" it sorta reminds me of Carl circa Love You or something. Funny, considering Love You is allegedly hated by Jeff/BW camp. I really hope they don't ignore LY this tour.

I'm sure songs from LY, LA, MIU and SIP will be all over the setlist. "It's a love thing"

[Iron Horse-Apples]

When Jeff screams "GOD!" it sorta reminds me of Carl circa Love You or something. Funny, considering Love You is allegedly hated by Jeff/BW camp. I really hope they don't ignore LY this tour.

It reminds me of terrible and too loud.

Clearly there is no other explanation for your so-called opinion but jealousy.

Jealous of what, exactly? ^_^

He was being satirical I think, hence the wink.

There is no humour to be had here though. I forsee that Jeff will be assassinated while the Beach Boys play Sarajevo, thus triggering the war to end all wars, Jeff War One.

[Mikie]

There is no humour to be had here though. I forsee that Jeff will be assassinated while the Beach Boys play Sarajevo, thus triggering the war to end all wars, Jeff War One.

I think they should do it to you first since you contributed so much to the Jeff Foskett negativity here. And you don't seem to want to quit. Only keep stoking the fire. You keep saying you're not a hater, but you use the words "Jeff will be assassinated". Kinda dumb ain't it? What's so funny about that?. But you keep vehemently denying on these Jeff threads that you're not a hater.  I don't believe it.

[Wirestone]

There is no humour to be had here though. I forsee that Jeff will be assassinated while the Beach Boys play Sarajevo, thus triggering the war to end all wars, Jeff War One.

I think they should do it to you first since you contributed so much to the Jeff Foskett negativity here. And you don't seem to want to quit. Only keep stoking the fire. You keep saying you're not a hater, but you use the words "Jeff will be assassinated". Kinda dumb ain't it? What's so funny about that?. But you keep vehemently denying on these Jeff threads that you're not a hater.  I don't believe it.

I'm with Mikie. Dumb choice of words. Not something to joke about.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

There is no humour to be had here though. I forsee that Jeff will be assassinated while the Beach Boys play Sarajevo, thus triggering the war to end all wars, Jeff War One.

I think they should do it to you first since you contributed so much to the Jeff Foskett negativity here. And you don't seem to want to quit. Only keep stoking the fire. You keep saying you're not a hater, but you use the words "Jeff will be assassinated". Kinda dumb ain't it? What's so funny about that?. But you keep vehemently denying on these Jeff threads that you're a hater.  I don't believe it.

I was just trying to lighten the tone, by comparing Jeff to Franz Ferdinand, and this current battle like world war one, i.e pointless. Just my wierd sense of humour, I apologise if it offended you, seriously.

I'm not going to defend my position anymore. I've really had enough of this subject and the anger it seems to be causing. I like your posts Mikie, I like you. I don't hate anyone (apart from Oasis). Lets all lighten up and enjoy the reunion eh?

[Mikie]

So positivity is alive and well here, eh?  Cool.   

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Friends?

(I'll ignore your death threat)

[Mikie]

Of course, man!   Nothing personal, just a little unfriendly advice, that's all.   Sail on.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

How about the possibility that Jeff is just a shill to move all the hatred and bile away from Mike? Which would seem to be working  

[SBonilla]

What would Ted Nugent say?

[Heysaboda]

What would Phil Cohen say?

 

[Mikie]

Ted's over in the corner scratching the cat.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

I don't know who else agrees, but I ask that this thread be closed, on a positive vibe.  That we put this pointless argument aside and concentrate on the wonderful gift we have been given with this reunion.

I'm in a loving mood, what say you guys? Lets all hug and make up eh?

[acedecade75]

What about rumors I've heard about Jeff and Carl's wife?

What about the rumors about him and something he did in 1989 while with the Beach Boys that they were upset about?  Was that what it was?  Not to spread rumors.  But I did kind of got the idea that Jeff has an eye out for the ladies because he was winking and nodding at a few of them in the front rows at that Smile show.  Harmless, I'm sure, but you know how guys go into music to get chicks.  I'm sure he's at least a big flirt and that can lead to trouble sometimes.

  Without naming names, I was once told by one of The Beach Boys that  Jeff was fired because he had helped himself to some money.

[Mikie]

B.S.  Jeff was canned because he messed around and the wives didn't like it. 'Nuff said.  Done. Over.

[Mikie]

I'm in a loving mood. Lets all hug and make out eh?

Well, if you were a good looking woman, I'd think about it........

[b00ts]

I don't know who else agrees, but I ask that this thread be closed, on a positive vibe.  That we put this pointless argument aside and concentrate on the wonderful gift we have been given with this reunion.

I'm in a loving mood, what say you guys? Lets all hug and make up eh?

I am not a Jeff-hater and the joke was maybe in poor taste, but I knew it was a joke... So you still have all my love, Iron Horse-Apples.