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« on: March 31, 2012, 12:16:39 AM »


 I listened to this today for the first time in a long time. Bruce once said in his opinion this was the finest
 track the group committed to vinyl. Listening to the harmonies it might be hard to argue Huh
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2012, 12:44:36 AM »

It was recorded sometime in 1963.  I wonder if Al sang on it?  The vocals sound so full, I would imagine he's there.
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2012, 02:14:18 AM »

I remember this question of Al being on there was hashed out in great detail several years ago.  It's buried on this board somewhere.
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 06:30:58 AM »

This might be my favorite A capella song by them with a close tie to Lavender. Beautiful.
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2018, 01:24:28 PM »

I really didn't want to "start a new topic" for this random question, so I located this older thread, but I've been compiling for a long while a Beach Boys anthology from their recording sessions and was wondering if the 1963 recording of "The Lord's Prayer" was the recording they considered for inclusion during the original Sunflower (Add Some Music) sessions?

Or if not, was there a different recording?
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2018, 04:01:19 PM »

I really didn't want to "start a new topic" for this random question, so I located this older thread, but I've been compiling for a long while a Beach Boys anthology from their recording sessions and was wondering if the 1963 recording of "The Lord's Prayer" was the recording they considered for inclusion during the original Sunflower (Add Some Music) sessions?

Or if not, was there a different recording?

Same recording.
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2018, 02:55:45 AM »

This might be my favorite A capella song by them with a close tie to Lavender. Beautiful.

My thoughts EXACTLY. And yes, I do think Al is in there somewhere up towards the top, but of I can't be sure.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2018, 08:50:08 AM »

Bruce has often referred to his as his favorite Beach Boys recording, even though it predates his tenure in the band. In fact, it may have been him who pushed to have it included on the unreleased final Capitol album in '70, as well as putting it in contender-ship for KTSA a decade later. I've heard interviews with Bruce where he mentions it as a perfect blend of Brian-Carl-Al-Mike, but harmony-meister Adam Marsland, in a previous thread on this board, proposed a different theory regarding the lineup:


<<At first listen, I would have said five parts, they're all there, for sure Brian, Carl, Mike and Al, with Al appearing to dominate the harmony stack at "give us this day our daily bread," and Dennis' participation being the X factor. Then I listened more closely and I could not find more than four parts at any point in the song. It definitely ends on only four parts. Also, every time the band got into close harmony, it was when Mike left the bass range. Thus it pretty much has to be just four parts. The four voices are thus:

Brian's falsetto
A higher "rounder" tonality that's the lowest in the mix (vocal "A")
A lower, grainier tonality that's further up in the mix (vocal "B")
Mike's bass line

It's easiest to tease these apart on the very last line, and that's where the troubles began. Vocal A was definitely a Wilson and if I had to guess I would have said Dennis. No way it's Al...the tone is too "round". Vocal B could be either Carl or Alan, but not Dennis. Likewise, too grainy/nasal.

From a default standpoint, I would have then said (in this order) Mike, Al, Carl, Brian. Vocal A is high, it's tricky, and unusually for Dennis, he never sticks out in the mix, so it's obvious to ascribe it to Carl. Also, Al clearly dominates the stack at the "daily bread" line. Yet, Vocal B sounded a little soft and round for Carl, and there were parts I felt I heard Carl clearly at Vocal A. Plus, Carl's default position was below Al in the stack, although that doesn't seem to have always been the case.

So I went back to the "daily bread" line and listened more carefully. Even though the phrasing of that sounds exactly like Al's, if you listen around that line where the doubling comes apart slightly (it's most pronounced at "evil") and you can hear the individual vocals on that part, suddenly you hear Carl. Then listen to "power" and "glory". Vocal B is the one that's moving more, Vocal A is the one that has lest movement. "Power" is much more Carl-like but more importantly, "glory" is unmistakably Dennis (listen to the way he hits the "ry"...he scoops up to the note). Also listen to Vocal B at the closing "amen" where it comes apart slightly. You can hear the individual voices and it's clearly Carl. So Al's presence on the song, seemingly obvious, would appear to be an aural illusion created by Carl's voice being doubletracked in that range, which would make him sound grainier in spots and more Al-like.

The Lord's Prayer:
Mike - bottom
Carl - next (except in a couple of spots where I think he crosses into the upper register)
Dennis - next
Brian - top>>
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2018, 05:59:15 PM »

Hi, new member here. I was listening to the '67 attempt at the Lord's prayer, and I believe you can hear Brian, Mike, Carl, and Al all remembering their parts. Please let me know if I'm not hearing this right.
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2018, 01:47:51 PM »

Bruce has often referred to his as his favorite Beach Boys recording, even though it predates his tenure in the band. In fact, it may have been him who pushed to have it included on the unreleased final Capitol album in '70, as well as putting it in contender-ship for KTSA a decade later. I've heard interviews with Bruce where he mentions it as a perfect blend of Brian-Carl-Al-Mike, but harmony-meister Adam Marsland, in a previous thread on this board, proposed a different theory regarding the lineup:

This is incredible! Thanks, c-man, for excavating this astonishing analysis by Mr. Marsland. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2018, 01:51:09 PM »

Hi, new member here. I was listening to the '67 attempt at the Lord's prayer, and I believe you can hear Brian, Mike, Carl, and Al all remembering their parts. Please let me know if I'm not hearing this right.

Hi Austin and welcome. Maybe some clever person (Adam M.?) has the parts written out and can check for you.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2018, 11:10:55 PM »

Hi, new member here. I was listening to the '67 attempt at the Lord's prayer, and I believe you can hear Brian, Mike, Carl, and Al all remembering their parts. Please let me know if I'm not hearing this right.

I think you're correct.  If you listen to the recording at the very beginning, it's Dennis in the distance yelling "The Lord's Prayer!!" at the others, in effect requesting the song.  Brian name-checks him.  I think this probably solves that mystery.   

And wow, listen to Brian play the arrangement on organ.  So freaking complex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJYB-znrlAk   

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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2018, 11:08:17 AM »

Hi guys,

Instead of creating a new thread, thought this would be an appropriate place to ask, given the above discussion: I'm (for some crazy reason) attempting to do a cover of this song for Christmas, and it'd be really helpful if anyone would happen to know the time signature for this song.

Thanks!
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2018, 12:08:25 PM »

Beautiful performance indeed, but can one really imagine that the Boys offered this one to be on their last Capitol album? Talk of scraping the barrel.
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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2018, 12:24:19 PM »

Hi guys,

Instead of creating a new thread, thought this would be an appropriate place to ask, given the above discussion: I'm (for some crazy reason) attempting to do a cover of this song for Christmas, and it'd be really helpful if anyone would happen to know the time signature for this song.

Thanks!

It changes throughout.  Or more accurately, it has none.
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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2018, 02:16:46 AM »

Hi guys,

Instead of creating a new thread, thought this would be an appropriate place to ask, given the above discussion: I'm (for some crazy reason) attempting to do a cover of this song for Christmas, and it'd be really helpful if anyone would happen to know the time signature for this song.

Thanks!

Hi TMS. Assuming it's nowhere online, I'll have a go at writing it out for you and posting it here. But I doubt if it will be ready for Christmas.

Ah, I see there's a tab for it here: https://www.surfermoon.com/essays/lordsprayer_vt.html (All hail Warren Barbour)

But it might be fun to write it out in musical notation...
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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2018, 12:31:31 PM »

It changes throughout.  Or more accurately, it has none.

Interestingly, I think I can get it to work in 4/4, with the occasional breath mark and fermata. "On earth as it is in heaven" has to straddle a few bar lines but emerges fairly unscathed. (I may change my mind about this section.)

I'll post it once I find the time to organize it.
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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2018, 03:35:05 PM »

It changes throughout.  Or more accurately, it has none.

Interestingly, I think I can get it to work in 4/4, with the occasional breath mark and fermata. "On earth as it is in heaven" has to straddle a few bar lines but emerges fairly unscathed. (I may change my mind about this section.)

I'll post it once I find the time to organize it.

I'll be interested to see how you situate it rhythmically.  I think it makes more sense to leave it unmetered, like one might an edition of 16th century polyphony.  Let it be free from the shackles of pulse!
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2018, 02:22:39 AM »

It changes throughout.  Or more accurately, it has none.

Interestingly, I think I can get it to work in 4/4, with the occasional breath mark and fermata. "On earth as it is in heaven" has to straddle a few bar lines but emerges fairly unscathed. (I may change my mind about this section.)

I'll post it once I find the time to organize it.

I'll be interested to see how you situate it rhythmically.  I think it makes more sense to leave it unmetered, like one might an edition of 16th century polyphony.  Let it be free from the shackles of pulse!

You've convinced me, H. I'd hate to put Brian's gem of an arrangement in a straitjacket! Maybe there need only be a bar line between each phrase. To be continued.
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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2018, 04:14:31 AM »

I'll do this once I get hold of a notation software program.

Folks, is MuseScore reliable? I don't need any fancy features, just a way of writing out music legibly. Grin
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« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2018, 02:52:46 PM »

It's fine.  It's not as flexible or versatile as Finale or Sibelius, but I use it frequently for lots of things and it does the job.  For free!!!!!!
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« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2018, 02:59:41 PM »

It's fine.  It's not as flexible or versatile as Finale or Sibelius, but I use it frequently for lots of things and it does the job.  For free!!!!!!

OK, thanks!
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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2018, 06:09:29 PM »

It's fine.  It's not as flexible or versatile as Finale or Sibelius, but I use it frequently for lots of things and it does the job.  For free!!!!!!


Thank you for mentioning that...Im gonna need it for an entirely different project!
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