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« on: December 27, 2005, 07:48:09 PM »

Hi fans'o'Nelson.
Ricky's twins (Gunnar & hans or Franz, or something), David Nelson, Tracy and various family members were on Larry King tonight talking about the 20th year of his death. I think they rerun it later? I caught the last 5 minutes and WILL catch the replay. Glen Campbell & James Burton were also on and they also sing Mary Lou at the end w/ Jimmy & Glen on guitars, too! Glen looks weird with long, slicked back hair & James Burton is-a-gettin' old. I wonder if they had anything interesting to say?
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2005, 07:57:24 PM »

Ah, so that's why there was a Ricky Nelson comp on the New Releases rack at Wal-Mart tonight. I was looking it over, kind of nice to stumble across something like that amidst the bling-rap and teen-slut offerings.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2005, 07:58:57 PM »

Right on chance! Anybody got any Stone Canyon Band stuff?? I've always been curious, but don't see this shite used.
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2005, 11:56:49 PM »

I watched most of the show.  It was okay, but nothing very revealing.  It's part of a marketing campaign to make Rick Nelson the next pop culture revival item.  There was an article in the Tuesday LA Times about this marketing strategy:

Twenty years to the week after his death, Ricky Nelson is rocking again.
 
Armed with months of research from focus groups, consumer researchers and market data experts, EMI hopes "Ricky Nelson: Greatest Hits" will replicate the company's success last year in making "Dino: The Essential Dean Martin" a sleeper hit by convincing young listeners that the late crooner was hip again.

That album sold 759,000 copies, according to Nielsen Soundscan. It was the bestselling Dean Martin album in more than 30 years.

Nelson, however, is a special challenge. Although he sold 35 million records by the time he was 22, and had 17 hits in the top 10, he is virtually unknown to younger music fans. Most reissues of his hits in recent years have been lucky to sell 10,000 copies.

"Ricky Nelson is a whole different type of artist," said Geoff Mayfield, a senior analyst at Billboard magazine. "He isn't cool the way Dino was."

Enter EMI Music Marketing President Ronn Werre, who hopes to "re-brand" Nelson just as he did Dino. A former Campbell Soup Co., Procter & Gamble Co. and Coca-Cola Co. executive, Werre believes market research can make old hits bestsellers again.

"For years, the music industry relied on its gut rather than data to sell songs," Werre said. "Now, we're using the same techniques Procter & Gamble uses to sell pet food."

Today's Nelson album debut comes four days before the 20th anniversary of his death at age 45 in a plane crash while traveling to a New Year's Eve concert in Dallas.

Nelson grew up in black and white in America's living rooms as a star on his family's "The Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet." As a teenager, he launched a rock 'n' roll career that featured such hits as "Hello, Mary Lou," "Poor Little Fool," "Lonesome Town" and "Travelin' Man." Although his career waned when the sitcom ended in 1966, Nelson enjoyed a comeback in the 1970s as a country rock singer with the hit "Garden Party."

Werre chose the singer as his next project after learning that the A&E biography of Nelson's family was the channel's most popular one after Oprah Winfrey's.

Werre's research led him to carve up the potential Nelson audience into two groups — Midwesterners and blue-collar buyers — and to advertise with TV shows and magazines they like.

Researchers asked consumers what popped into their minds when they heard Nelson's name. Middle-class respondents 45 years and older had fond memories of Nelson's early years. Midwestern listeners recalled the innocent family values of "Ozzie & Harriet."

"Research showed that Ricky could sell well in conservative markets," said Herb Agner, vice president of catalog marketing for EMI.

Werre and his staff painstakingly tested the new Nelson CD, studying consumer response to liner notes and song lists. They concluded that the best image to promote was that of a young adult Nelson — somewhere between the country rock "Rick Nelson" and baby-faced "Ricky" who made teenage girls swoon when he was barely old enough to shave.

"Everything from the cover photo to the title of the Ricky Nelson album was influenced by data from dozens of focus groups," Werre said.

EMI also is hoping sales will benefit from a public-TV special about Nelson this month, and a Larry King Live interview scheduled tonight with members of his family. Quotes from Bob Dylan and the late Elvis Presley praising Nelson were incorporated into the advertising campaign.

"At Procter & Gamble we were always aware that we had to listen really closely to consumers, because there's always another soda or laundry detergent," Werre said. "But the music industry has sometimes paid more attention to bands than consumers."

EMI's current roster includes the Rolling Stones and Coldplay, which both released new albums this year. But the company's financial success depends almost as much on older hits.

Catalog sales can make up as much as 40% of a record company's income. But in recent years they have declined market-wide along with sales of newer releases, a victim of the overall industry slump caused in part by widespread illegal downloading.

Werre's strategy for boosting catalog sales so far has worked wonders. Sales of EMI's older songs have grown 56% during the last three years, including bestselling rereleases from the Beach Boys, George Thorogood and Nat King Cole.

Reissuing Martin's hits last year seemed risky at the time. EMI had released the singer's repertoire 90 times in 50 years, mostly targeting older listeners.

But Werre's consumer research indicated that younger music buyers also liked Martin — as long as it was the younger, hipper version. So EMI began to view Martin as the Dino "brand," shunning the tuxedoed, graying Martin for the smooth, confident Rat Packer making mischief with Frank Sinatra at the Las Vegas Sands.

"We wanted to sell Dino to the guy who is a few years out of college and trying to figure out how to make reservations at a fancy restaurant," Werre said. "We want 30-year-olds to ask: 'What would Dino do?' "

The result was a CD packaged in cool grays showing a suave, youthful Martin. Liner notes included an essay by Steven Van Zandt of HBO's "The Sopranos" and Bruce Springsteen's E Street Band.

The company targeted older listeners with ads in Modern Maturity — the magazine of AARP, formerly the American Assn. of Retired Persons. TV commercials aired on the History Channel and Arts & Entertainment. Younger consumers were targeted on ESPN and in Playboy.

The album sold 32,000 copies in its first week, debuting at No. 28 on the Billboard chart. It is expected to exceed 1 million sales by next summer.

"The entire music industry has been figuring out new ways to mine their catalogs for a while," Billboard's Mayfield said. "But 'Dino' was an unusual success."

Beyond Nelson and Martin, EMI is working on a new compilation of songs from 1980s heavy metal band Poison, slated for release in April. Already, the company's research has identified the Midwest and Southeast as prime Poison country.

EMI's major rivals — Universal Music Group, Sony BMG Music Entertainment and Warner Group — also have started using more refined marketing techniques to sell their catalogs. Universal Music, for example, is using infomercials to pitch Motown and 1980s compilations.

"The common wisdom is that the music industry's future is dire," Werre said. "But as long as other companies can figure out ways to sell water and charge premium prices for laundry detergent, I'm not worried about our ability to sell songs."
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2005, 05:32:55 AM »

Watched most of it last night.  It's touching to see how much Rick Nelson's 4 children really respect and admire him, and their memories of him as their father were not particularly insightful, but, hey, it was Larry...King...Live...King format doesn't allow it; he is not interested in ANYTHING in exact detail, or showing that he ACTUALLY CARES for the guests by gingerly handling any subject.  Am I alone in this, how he ALWAYS either fumbles information or stumbles into a BORING question, like he COULDN'T care less?  And, yeah, it IS a marketing campaign...I mean, they said outrght they are hoping this will be the year for a Lifetime Achievement Grammy, the 20th anniversery of his death.

What was my point?

Exactly.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2005, 07:13:22 AM »

I watched most of the Larry King show on Rick Nelson while occasionally flipping back to My Name is Earl on NBC.

Ricks family and King were quite open about the show being part of a marketing campaign to get people to take new interest in Rick Nelson and the whole Ozzie and Hariet genre.

I had no problem with that.  Nelson should be recognized.  He was one of my favorites as a kid.

My only problem with the whole thing is that it reminds me of marketing the Beachboys.....just get out the big hits and sell lots of greatest hits albums.

Not enough attention to the often better, non hit stuff.

But at least this might get us some new remasters and better sound on the hits.
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2005, 12:03:35 AM »

Hey worms- Larry King is one of the worst interviewers- Terry gross is up there with him. Neither listen to the conversation- each only wait to ask the next planned question. A good interviewer will listen to the one being questiond for follow-up question material.

You got it Donald! I hate the hits crap, too. I don't dislike the songs- just the idea of releasing a 'hits only' package.
Unknowingly, Nelson helped to pioneer punk music in a completely unlikely tune, Gershwin's "Summertime" in Nov 1961!!!! The Blues Magoos ripped him off years later. Unintentional pioneer!
http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3MNG5M43386FW2GYJPTIKUI01J
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2005, 07:45:02 AM »

Hey worms- Larry King is one of the worst interviewers- Terry gross is up there with him. Neither listen to the conversation- each only wait to ask the next planned question. A good interviewer will listen to the one being questiond for follow-up question material.

You got it Donald! I hate the hits crap, too. I don't dislike the songs- just the idea of releasing a 'hits only' package.
Unknowingly, Nelson helped to pioneer punk music in a completely unlikely tune, Gershwin's "Summertime" in Nov 1961!!!! The Blues Magoos ripped him off years later. Unintentional pioneer!
http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3MNG5M43386FW2GYJPTIKUI01J


You are spot on with Terry Gross...does anyone have an audio or transcript of her first Neil Young interview?  Apparently, he wasn't just going to "play along".

Or what of her Gene Simmons interview?

Gene Simmons: Ooh! Maybe it's a discussion we can have.
Terry Gross: Okay.
Gene Simmons: But let's not start something we're not going to finish.
Terry Gross: Right.

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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2005, 10:27:23 AM »

The Gene Simmons interview is incredible! I just heard that a few weeks ago. He rips Grossr a new a-hole! Amazing.
Does NPR.org have the archived interview with Neil Young? Their Archive is great, however the Simmons interview is a-miss! I wonder why?!  Grin
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