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« Reply #3050 on: May 23, 2012, 03:28:00 AM »

Its a subscribers only review.

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« Reply #3051 on: May 23, 2012, 03:35:48 AM »

Its a subscribers only review.

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Hm. I see a hissing Jann S. Wenner, phoning his lawyers. He once was a hippie, I hear. Not so any more. He turned into what he once utterly despised.

Which happens very often, by the way.
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« Reply #3052 on: May 23, 2012, 04:59:33 AM »

I'm generally liking what I hear so far, even the songs I thought were duffers at first are growing on me. That could be just a symptom of being starved of new Beach Boys product for most of my life though...
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« Reply #3053 on: May 23, 2012, 05:36:20 AM »

The Paley tracks to my mind would have been the best BW solo album he's done, period .

...because it's unreleased.  If TLOS was unreleased, you'd be saying IT'S the best album he ever did.

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......or maybe I just prefer the Paley sessions, personal taste n'all that. I love TLOS it's a damned fine album.
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« Reply #3054 on: May 23, 2012, 05:39:27 AM »

The Paley tracks to my mind would have been the best BW solo album he's done, period . I'd prefer an official archive release as is though rather than further recording and a release as a new BB's album.

The difficult truth is that Brian had less involvement with many Paley sessions tracks -- as songwriter and producer -- than he did with his solo work before or after that time. People simply prefee Paley's impression of BW than BW's actual creations.
To me it's not a question of assessing how much Brians involved, just how good or rather how much I like the album.
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« Reply #3055 on: May 23, 2012, 05:46:31 AM »

The Paley tracks to my mind would have been the best BW solo album he's done, period .

...because it's unreleased.  If TLOS was unreleased, you'd be saying IT'S the best album he ever did.

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......or maybe I just prefer the Paley sessions, personal taste n'all that. I love TLOS it's a damned fine album.
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« Reply #3056 on: May 23, 2012, 06:36:48 AM »

Here's the review I did of "That's Why God Made The Radio" for a Minneapolis arts rag I write for called L'Etoile.

http://www.letoilemagazine.com/2012/05/23/we-will-rock-you-the-square-sounds-of-the-beach-boys/

Lemme know what y'all think, whether or not you agree and all that.
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« Reply #3057 on: May 23, 2012, 06:55:28 AM »

Here's the review I did of "That's Why God Made The Radio" for a Minneapolis arts rag I write for called L'Etoile.

http://www.letoilemagazine.com/2012/05/23/we-will-rock-you-the-square-sounds-of-the-beach-boys/

Lemme know what y'all think, whether or not you agree and all that.

good stuff, my one problem is when you imply that the sophistication of pet sounds/smile was something brian did "totally accidently".  Isn't it established that Brian was going for sophistication?
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« Reply #3058 on: May 23, 2012, 06:57:15 AM »

Here's the review I did of "That's Why God Made The Radio" for a Minneapolis arts rag I write for called L'Etoile.

http://www.letoilemagazine.com/2012/05/23/we-will-rock-you-the-square-sounds-of-the-beach-boys/

Lemme know what y'all think, whether or not you agree and all that.

Great review Jon. Things like this, from a fan like yourself, is what really excites me about this album. I know that the final three songs on the album are a great "career capper" supposedly, but I hope they keep going on. If only from the iTunes clips, this does not sound like a band who sound tired and ready to hang it up. They seem to have a new lease on life, and I think they should ride this wave as far as it takes them.
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« Reply #3059 on: May 23, 2012, 07:01:21 AM »

Here's a fairly positive review from a Seattle newspaper.

http://www.seattlepi.com/lifestyle/blogcritics/article/Music-Review-The-Beach-Boys-That-s-Why-God-3578675.php
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« Reply #3060 on: May 23, 2012, 07:03:20 AM »

Here's the review I did of "That's Why God Made The Radio" for a Minneapolis arts rag I write for called L'Etoile.

http://www.letoilemagazine.com/2012/05/23/we-will-rock-you-the-square-sounds-of-the-beach-boys/

Lemme know what y'all think, whether or not you agree and all that.

good stuff, my one problem is when you imply that the sophistication of pet sounds/smile was something brian did "totally accidently".  Isn't it established that Brian was going for sophistication?

No no -- I said it *happened* accidentally. I even say as much re: brian shooting for hip, but the accident was that those albums arrived (or, in the case of Smile, didn't arrive!) in a world that totally welcomed sophisto chamber pop. Right time, right place, kind of.
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« Reply #3061 on: May 23, 2012, 07:25:40 AM »


That sure is a lot of simple sentences.
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« Reply #3062 on: May 23, 2012, 07:48:30 AM »

Its a subscribers only review.

Could someone copy and paste it here?

Hm. I see a hissing Jann S. Wenner, phoning his lawyers. He once was a hippie, I hear. Not so any more. He turned into what he once utterly despised.

Which happens very often, by the way.

Of course it does: Image sells more than reality, and once that image makes enough money, that person can transition back to reality and have enough money in the bank to cover it or simply not care. When those youngsters in the record business back in the 60's labeled the "kids", the idealists, and the hippies in some cases took over the record companies into the 70's and 80's, look what happened across the board.
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« Reply #3063 on: May 23, 2012, 08:12:07 AM »

One particular statement or theme in this review (http://www.letoilemagazine.com/2012/05/23/we-will-rock-you-the-square-sounds-of-the-beach-boys/), how Brian Wilson has always been a colossal cornball, doesn't hold up when you put his music and his productions from 1963-67 into that equation. At that time, he was one of the few producers who had the ears of most in the pop music business, had more clout than I'd bet 98% of people his age and background in the business at that time, and that point continues to be driven home every time another of his peers says in an interview how influential his records at that time were on other artists and producers making pop music. The driving force behind that clout and respect was mostly the way his records sounded and the way they were received by the public and the record biz types alike.

Cornball sells in very large quantities but it doesn't garner the same level of respect and the same aura as innovation.

It's not about hip, it's not about pop-culture iconoclastic imagery, it's about putting out songs that people heard on the radio and on record and considered to be at the forefront of pop recording at that time. Brian *was* competitive at that time and has admitted it, he *was* trying to outdo Spector and the Beatles and others, and he was making records that were cutting-edge for pop or teen music of that era. I'd suggest there was a different kind of drive behind those records and that music, a different kind of mindset that went into creating them which did not go into nearly everything the man released from the 70's onward with a few but very significant exceptions, and even those exceptions had a foot in the past rather than a start-from-scratch mentality. There was that competitive edge in that process which the man himself admits he discarded soon after the Smile era, and making that kind of music no longer appealed to him as much as making records which pleased him.

The statement about cornball would ring more true if the years from, say, 1963-67 were taken out of the equation.

I also think comparing anything from this album to something from the 60's classic era is a mistake, as shown by Brian's reaction when Al attempted to link it somehow to Pet Sounds during the PBS interview. The mindset going into this latest album was not 1965, even though some of the resulting sounds may have come out sounding like 1965.

The new album may be cornball, but to apply that overall to Brian's music from the 60's didn't feel right - not completely wrong, but not right.
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« Reply #3064 on: May 23, 2012, 08:28:08 AM »

Yeah, but Craig, Brian Wilson, even during the hitmakin' years was always way more about the Four Freshmen and Rosemary Clooney -- the epitome of pure corn, though of course awesome! -- than Chuck Berry. His roots have always been in music other people would consider corny/cheesy. The point is that he was able to transform his influences into great songs. But the corn was there -- always. It came out in his songs, too!

And yeah -- there's no point in comparing this record to stuff from the 60s, even though in terms of quality the last few songs are on a par with, say, a Pet Sounds or a Til I Die.
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« Reply #3065 on: May 23, 2012, 08:28:41 AM »

One particular statement or theme in this review (http://www.letoilemagazine.com/2012/05/23/we-will-rock-you-the-square-sounds-of-the-beach-boys/), how Brian Wilson has always been a colossal cornball, doesn't hold up when you put his music and his productions from 1963-67 into that equation. At that time, he was one of the few producers who had the ears of most in the pop music business, had more clout than I'd bet 98% of people his age and background in the business at that time, and that point continues to be driven home every time another of his peers says in an interview how influential his records at that time were on other artists and producers making pop music. The driving force behind that clout and respect was mostly the way his records sounded and the way they were received by the public and the record biz types alike.

Cornball sells in very large quantities but it doesn't garner the same level of respect and the same aura as innovation.

It's not about hip, it's not about pop-culture iconoclastic imagery, it's about putting out songs that people heard on the radio and on record and considered to be at the forefront of pop recording at that time. Brian *was* competitive at that time and has admitted it, he *was* trying to outdo Spector and the Beatles and others, and he was making records that were cutting-edge for pop or teen music of that era. I'd suggest there was a different kind of drive behind those records and that music, a different kind of mindset that went into creating them which did not go into nearly everything the man released from the 70's onward with a few but very significant exceptions, and even those exceptions had a foot in the past rather than a start-from-scratch mentality. There was that competitive edge in that process which the man himself admits he discarded soon after the Smile era, and making that kind of music no longer appealed to him as much as making records which pleased him.

The statement about cornball would ring more true if the years from, say, 1963-67 were taken out of the equation.

I also think comparing anything from this album to something from the 60's classic era is a mistake, as shown by Brian's reaction when Al attempted to link it somehow to Pet Sounds during the PBS interview. The mindset going into this latest album was not 1965, even though some of the resulting sounds may have come out sounding like 1965.

The new album may be cornball, but to apply that overall to Brian's music from the 60's didn't feel right - not completely wrong, but not right.

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« Reply #3066 on: May 23, 2012, 08:30:01 AM »

Just heard the itunes clips,sounds more promising than i first thought.. kinda like it!
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« Reply #3067 on: May 23, 2012, 08:39:28 AM »

so i wonder if a "review embargo" has officially come off in the past couple days.  We've had a couple reviews come out today
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« Reply #3068 on: May 23, 2012, 08:52:52 AM »


Their Pet Sounds review would have probably been something like : "God Only Knows, a song on which Carl Wilson sings about the fact that, it's only God who knows."
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« Reply #3069 on: May 23, 2012, 08:53:17 AM »

I got a funny feeling most of the reviews will be pretty negative
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« Reply #3070 on: May 23, 2012, 08:55:21 AM »

I gotta a funny feeling most of the reviews will be pretty negative

I think you're probably wrong.
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« Reply #3071 on: May 23, 2012, 09:01:46 AM »

Is there not a website that compiles reviews (similar to what rottentomatoes.com does for movies)?
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« Reply #3072 on: May 23, 2012, 09:03:46 AM »

Is there not a website that compiles reviews (similar to what rottentomatoes.com does for movies)?

metacritic, but on a muuch smaller scale and only the big review sites get on it.  A rottentomatoes for music would be sweet.
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« Reply #3073 on: May 23, 2012, 09:53:54 AM »

The Paley tracks to my mind would have been the best BW solo album he's done, period . I'd prefer an official archive release as is though rather than further recording and a release as a new BB's album.

The difficult truth is that Brian had less involvement with many Paley sessions tracks -- as songwriter and producer -- than he did with his solo work before or after that time. People simply prefee Paley's impression of BW than BW's actual creations.
To me it's not a question of assessing how much Brians involved, just how good or rather how much I like the album.

See, this is where my opinion differs.  I want to hear what Brian is up to and where he's at.  There's a historical importance there.  I'm not sure we're hearing real Beach Boys music, as nice as it might be.

And for the record, I'm not down on the new album. I just hope they do another one, for the ages.

Additionally, my opinion here is nothing new -- I just this article I wrote in 1999 from my old website online!:

http://troun.tripod.com/essentialrarities.html

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« Reply #3074 on: May 23, 2012, 10:11:12 AM »

Its a subscribers only review.

Could someone copy and paste it here?

Hm. I see a hissing Jann S. Wenner, phoning his lawyers. He once was a hippie, I hear. Not so any more. He turned into what he once utterly despised.

Which happens very often, by the way.

I think that happened to all the hippies.......  apart from the ones that O'D or are now living on the street shouting crazy things at the people walking by.
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