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« Reply #650 on: March 09, 2012, 11:32:00 PM »

They should call the album Greatest Hits Volume 4!
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« Reply #651 on: March 10, 2012, 02:22:54 AM »

If they're so confident that it's a Pet Sounds 2, they should call it........ Pet Sounds 2: The Sequel!
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« Reply #652 on: March 10, 2012, 02:32:22 AM »

They should call the album Greatest Hits Volume 4!

Actually, I heard they're planning to release a fourth volume in the Greatest Hits series. It will cover the highlights post-1985, so the best tracks from Still Cruisin', Summer In Paradise, Stars and Stripes...."Problem Child", etc.  Cool Guy
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« Reply #653 on: March 10, 2012, 05:32:51 AM »

I'd like "The Beach Boys 2012"
The '85 album was just called "The Beach Boys", right ?

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« Reply #654 on: March 10, 2012, 10:29:04 AM »

The new album should be called Smiley Smile Dot Net
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« Reply #655 on: March 10, 2012, 11:07:26 AM »

Yes, I was just suggesting that it is a possibility - but it could be the title of a track on the album, it could be a phrase used on the album, or it could just be the title of the PBS special and nothing else. Time will tell. This is all speculation, aside from the title of the PBS special.

This made me think of a nightmare scenario. The PBS special begins with the music video of the Beach Boys' all-new single. It starts silently, in black and white, with Brian walking down the beach in a winter coat. Brian stops and says to himself, Wow, summer's gone." Then Mike appears and says, "No, Brian, summer's not gone. We can bring it BACK!"

Begin the music, to a Kokomo-type beat, the picture goes from black and white to color and Brian and Mike take off their coats to reveal bathing suits (and shirt, thankfully). Al, Bruce, David and Jeff, along with bikini-clad girls join then, and Mike begins singing:

"We're bringin' summer back to this great big nation!
We're bringin' lots of love and good vibrations!"

Al, Bruce and Dave: "Bringin' bringin' summer back."
Jeff and Brian: "AH-Ah-ah-ah!"

End my nightmare scenario.  LOL

I think it's quite likely that is what the song is like.

That is, you start with something sad --

"I hate to say that summer's gone --"

But Mr. Positivity turns it around --

"But it's coming back next year!"


Yeah, who needs "Mr. Positivity"? Look at all of the '60s hits the Beach Boys would have had without him............oops, nevermind.

I think the  hipper than thou paranoia is probably unfounded in the present BBs recording environment. With the inclusion of Brians' band members  and potentially their legacy at stake, we'll hopefully  see the best song and lyric writing  (by all parties) come to the fore. Let's not forget Brian is also capable of churning out some pretty inane material as well.

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« Reply #656 on: March 10, 2012, 11:12:02 AM »

Bear in mind that when the first graphics for the reunion turned up, a lot of folk assumed the new album was called Celebration. What do we know for sure about any potential title ? Nothing. Could be called Summer's Gone, could be called Do It Again, could be called... oh, That's Why God Made The Radio. Given past efforts, could be called The Pendletones: Don't Give Us Any Sh*t.

Frankly, I hope they call it We Were Nearly Called The Woodies.

That would be "Stuck With A Woodie" (the Viagra overdose song)
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« Reply #657 on: March 10, 2012, 11:14:51 AM »

If they're so confident that it's a Pet Sounds 2, they should call it........ Pet Sounds 2: The Sequel!
Or they could go with a "darker" theme, and have their own "Butcher Cover" album...
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« Reply #658 on: March 10, 2012, 12:15:09 PM »

Yes, I was just suggesting that it is a possibility - but it could be the title of a track on the album, it could be a phrase used on the album, or it could just be the title of the PBS special and nothing else. Time will tell. This is all speculation, aside from the title of the PBS special.

This made me think of a nightmare scenario. The PBS special begins with the music video of the Beach Boys' all-new single. It starts silently, in black and white, with Brian walking down the beach in a winter coat. Brian stops and says to himself, Wow, summer's gone." Then Mike appears and says, "No, Brian, summer's not gone. We can bring it BACK!"

Begin the music, to a Kokomo-type beat, the picture goes from black and white to color and Brian and Mike take off their coats to reveal bathing suits (and shirt, thankfully). Al, Bruce, David and Jeff, along with bikini-clad girls join then, and Mike begins singing:

"We're bringin' summer back to this great big nation!
We're bringin' lots of love and good vibrations!"

Al, Bruce and Dave: "Bringin' bringin' summer back."
Jeff and Brian: "AH-Ah-ah-ah!"

End my nightmare scenario.  LOL

I think it's quite likely that is what the song is like.

That is, you start with something sad --

"I hate to say that summer's gone --"

But Mr. Positivity turns it around --

"But it's coming back next year!"


Yeah, who needs "Mr. Positivity"? Look at all of the '60s hits the Beach Boys would have had without him............oops, nevermind.

I think the  hipper than thou paranoia is probably unfounded in the present BBs recording environment. With the inclusion of Brians' band members  and potentially their legacy at stake, we'll hopefully  see the best song and lyric writing  (by all parties) come to the fore. Let's not forget Brian is also capable of churning out some pretty inane material as well.



Well, except for the fact that Mike didn't write Surfin' U.S.A., or Surfer Girl, or Little Deuce Coupe, or In My Room, or Don't Worry Baby (pre lawsuit), or God Only Knows ... people seem to forget that Roger Christian and Gary Usher existed, and had a large say in the lyrics of those first albums. And Mike didn't sing lead on all of those hits either. Or write the music. Or produce the records.

I don't see any "hipper than thou paranoia," either. Simply some jesting to pass the time.

Brian's band members are involved in the tour. Some of them played on the DIA remake. But there is no evidence they're on any tracks of the new album. (Given that many -- if not most -- of the tracks seem to have been produced by Joe Thomas with his Chicago-area session musicians, we may see precious little of Brian's band on the album at all.)
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« Reply #659 on: March 10, 2012, 12:15:29 PM »

If they're so confident that it's a Pet Sounds 2, they should call it........ Pet Sounds 2: The Sequel!
Or they could go with a "darker" theme, and have their own "Butcher Cover" album...
The Sounds Of Pets.....being slaughtered


hahahaha !! yeah, the last seconds of Caroline, no's fade serve as the intro to that album !
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« Reply #660 on: March 10, 2012, 12:18:02 PM »

(Given that many -- if not most -- of the tracks seem to have been produced by Joe Thomas with his Chicago-area session musicians, we may see precious little of Brian's band on the album at all.)



 Shocked who says so ?
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« Reply #661 on: March 10, 2012, 12:25:52 PM »

Yes, I was just suggesting that it is a possibility - but it could be the title of a track on the album, it could be a phrase used on the album, or it could just be the title of the PBS special and nothing else. Time will tell. This is all speculation, aside from the title of the PBS special.

This made me think of a nightmare scenario. The PBS special begins with the music video of the Beach Boys' all-new single. It starts silently, in black and white, with Brian walking down the beach in a winter coat. Brian stops and says to himself, Wow, summer's gone." Then Mike appears and says, "No, Brian, summer's not gone. We can bring it BACK!"

Begin the music, to a Kokomo-type beat, the picture goes from black and white to color and Brian and Mike take off their coats to reveal bathing suits (and shirt, thankfully). Al, Bruce, David and Jeff, along with bikini-clad girls join then, and Mike begins singing:

"We're bringin' summer back to this great big nation!
We're bringin' lots of love and good vibrations!"

Al, Bruce and Dave: "Bringin' bringin' summer back."
Jeff and Brian: "AH-Ah-ah-ah!"

End my nightmare scenario.  LOL

I think it's quite likely that is what the song is like.

That is, you start with something sad --

"I hate to say that summer's gone --"

But Mr. Positivity turns it around --

"But it's coming back next year!"


Yeah, who needs "Mr. Positivity"? Look at all of the '60s hits the Beach Boys would have had without him............oops, nevermind.

I think the  hipper than thou paranoia is probably unfounded in the present BBs recording environment. With the inclusion of Brians' band members  and potentially their legacy at stake, we'll hopefully  see the best song and lyric writing  (by all parties) come to the fore. Let's not forget Brian is also capable of churning out some pretty inane material as well.



Well, except for the fact that Mike didn't write Surfin' U.S.A., or Surfer Girl, or Little Deuce Coupe, or In My Room, or Don't Worry Baby (pre lawsuit), or God Only Knows ... people seem to forget that Roger Christian and Gary Usher existed, and had a large say in the lyrics of those first albums. And Mike didn't sing lead on all of those hits either. Or write the music. Or produce the records.

I don't see any "hipper than thou paranoia," either. Simply some jesting to pass the time.

Brian's band members are involved in the tour. Some of them played on the DIA remake. But there is no evidence they're on any tracks of the new album. (Given that many -- if not most -- of the tracks seem to have been produced by Joe Thomas with his Chicago-area session musicians, we may see precious little of Brian's band on the album at all.)

Wow, that's the first I heard that it was only the Joe Thomas crew playing on the album. Uh-oh.

I  was responding to the mocking of the potential "Mr. Positivity" lyrics, not saying he was the only early lyricist. Although he was the most prolific.
So why not mention some of the Biggest hits?  I Get Around, Help Me Rhonda, California Girls, Dance Dance Dance, Fun Fun Fun, Good Vibrations?
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« Reply #662 on: March 10, 2012, 12:27:03 PM »

(Given that many -- if not most -- of the tracks seem to have been produced by Joe Thomas with his Chicago-area session musicians, we may see precious little of Brian's band on the album at all.)



 Shocked who says so ?

It's been confirmed in at least two places that Brian was recording and writing throughout last year with Joe Thomas (including by Brian). Eddie Bayers, a drummer regularly used by Thomas, told Rolling Stone he was playing on new BW tracks last year. In his most recent interview, Mike said this: "Brian’s come up with a lot of great tracks and tunes. And the rest of us come in and do our vocal parts." That suggests the tracks and songs (or at least a number of them) were already done by the time the group started working on them.

Now, it might be that Brian's band worked with Thomas on the tracks. But given Bayers' participation, and the past tension between Thomas and the group, it makes more sense to assume he used his own guys.

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« Reply #663 on: March 10, 2012, 12:30:27 PM »

I responding to the mocking of the potential "Mr. Positivity" lyrics, not saying he was the only early lyricist. Although he was the most prolific.
So why not mention some of the Biggest hits?  I Get Around, Help Me Rhonda, California Girls, Dance Dance Dance, Fun Fun Fun, Good Vibrations?

Of course he did those. And sang lead on many more besides. But my point is simply that you can't say Mike was somehow Brian's equal in the early success of the group. Yes, he was extremely important. But Brian wrote and produced quite a few hits without Mike's input. Mike didn't do the reverse. That being said, I think you really needed the whole group -- critically including Dennis -- to have achieved the success they did. No man was an island.

As Jon Stebbins said, it can just be fun to poke at Mike.  Grin
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« Reply #664 on: March 10, 2012, 12:31:32 PM »

We've also had pictures of Darian in the studio with BW. Who knows?
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Now, it might be that Brian's band worked with Thomas on the tracks. But given Bayers' participation, and the past tension between Thomas and the group, it makes more sense to assume he used his own guys.


yeah, but i don't think brian (melinda) would not let brian's band be not on that record
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« Reply #666 on: March 10, 2012, 12:38:54 PM »

It's been confirmed in at least two places that Brian was recording and writing throughout last year with Joe Thomas (including by Brian). Eddie Bayers, a drummer regularly used by Thomas, told Rolling Stone he was playing on new BW tracks last year. In his most recent interview, Mike said this: "Brian’s come up with a lot of great tracks and tunes. And the rest of us come in and do our vocal parts." That suggests the tracks and songs (or at least a number of them) were already done by the time the group started working on them.

The only time Brian's worked with JT recently was a few days (two, three ?) at the end of July last year at the beginning of the US non-BWRG dates, when he stayed in St. Charles with Thomas. All the other tracks have been cut in LA. Your last sentence is indeed accurate.

My belief is that JT is in charge of the DVD side of things - nothing more.
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« Reply #667 on: March 10, 2012, 12:43:22 PM »

It's been confirmed in at least two places that Brian was recording and writing throughout last year with Joe Thomas (including by Brian). Eddie Bayers, a drummer regularly used by Thomas, told Rolling Stone he was playing on new BW tracks last year. In his most recent interview, Mike said this: "Brian’s come up with a lot of great tracks and tunes. And the rest of us come in and do our vocal parts." That suggests the tracks and songs (or at least a number of them) were already done by the time the group started working on them.

The only time Brian's worked with JT recently was a few days (two, three ?) at the end of July last year at the beginning of the US non-BWRG dates, when he stayed in St. Charles with Thomas. All the other tracks have been cut in LA. Your last sentence is indeed accurate.

My belief is that JT is in charge of the DVD side of things - nothing more.

Well, that would be a relief. But it was reported that Brian was writing with JT, no? Even recent articles have talked about that.
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My belief is that JT is in charge of the DVD side of things - nothing more.


That sounds plausible but didn't he co-write some songs wih Brian ?
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« Reply #669 on: March 10, 2012, 12:48:57 PM »

I responding to the mocking of the potential "Mr. Positivity" lyrics, not saying he was the only early lyricist. Although he was the most prolific.
So why not mention some of the Biggest hits?  I Get Around, Help Me Rhonda, California Girls, Dance Dance Dance, Fun Fun Fun, Good Vibrations?

Of course he did those. And sang lead on many more besides. But my point is simply that you can't say Mike was somehow Brian's equal in the early success of the group. Yes, he was extremely important. But Brian wrote and produced quite a few hits without Mike's input. Mike didn't do the reverse. That being said, I think you really needed the whole group -- critically including Dennis -- to have achieved the success they did. No man was an island.

As Jon Stebbins said, it can just be fun to poke at Mike.  Grin
I never said that "Mike was somehowBrians' equal". I was saying that Mike is capabable of writing excellent lyrics.

I agree that the whole group was needed. Brian needed the supporting cast around him. And I believe Mike was Brians' musical foil. They'd been collaborating and harmonizing from day one and I think they depended on each other.
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« Reply #670 on: March 10, 2012, 02:27:09 PM »

And I believe Mike was Brians' musical foil. They'd been collaborating and harmonizing from day one and I think they depended on each other.

That's certainly what Mike believes, and what a lot of people who are fans of Mike believe. I'm not sure if Brian necessarily agreed when he sought out a sequence of other co-writers in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s.
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« Reply #671 on: March 10, 2012, 02:50:26 PM »

Regarding the new album title, they could always recycle an old, but never used title - Landlocked.  Afterall, it was the early title for the last great full-band effort....which became Sunflower.  I vote for no posed pictures of the band on the cover - too cheesy.  Save it for the liner notes. 
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« Reply #672 on: March 10, 2012, 02:52:53 PM »

And I believe Mike was Brians' musical foil. They'd been collaborating and harmonizing from day one and I think they depended on each other.

That's certainly what Mike believes, and what a lot of people who are fans of Mike believe. I'm not sure if Brian necessarily agreed when he sought out a sequence of other co-writers in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s.
I think that Brian, like the rest of us, knows that Mike is a great lyricist, but Brian also likes to continually try different things musically and lyrically. I don't think Brian's choice to collaborate with others is because Mike is an inadequate or untalented lyricist. Mike could never write lyrics like Van Dyke Parks, and vice-versa. A lot of Brian's collaborator choices also have to do with his comfort zone - Scott Bennett, for instance, seems like someone Brian is comfortable around.

One thing that is true about Mike Love is that he is viewed as being somewhat limited in scope. He typically goes for a certain feel, subject matter, and rhyme scheme in his lyrics. I think that Mike recognized this as early as the late 60s, and he made an effort to branch out on Friends, 20/20, Sunflower, Surfs Up, and Holland.  This was a mixed bag, of course, as a listen to "Student Demonstration Time" confirms... but "Let The Wind Blow" and "Big Sur" show a more artistic side of Love that a lot of fans prefer to ignore.

Judging by the interview with Mike Love that I read earlier today, he is writing lyrics for several tracks on the new Beach Boys album, but not all of them. He is clearly cognizant of the fact that Brian and the group benefit from having different lyricists on different tracks. I would imagine that he is also doing his best to not intimidate his cousin. It looks like everybody in the group knows their place, finally, after all this time. This is a miracle of sorts, and a beautiful resolution to The Beach Boys story.
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« Reply #673 on: March 10, 2012, 03:05:48 PM »

Brian as a musical force (in contrast to Mike) has (almost) always been about trying new things, new ways of expressing himself, for which he needs outside help and influences especially in the lyrics department. So when wandering off towards new directions, away from the stuff that is classicly collaborated on with Mike, he obviously needed/needs other people (than Mike). Always has.

Brian and Mike are a superb songwriting duo - for a specific range of material. And the reunion album will obviously contain some of that typical Mike/Brian material. It's what most of the band's initial mid-60's (and later) success is based on.
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