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« Reply #375 on: March 05, 2012, 04:51:14 AM »

Neil Diamond's previous (?) album (the one produced by Rick Rubin) went to number one in both the US and UK.  I don't think it is unreasonable to hope for a similar outcome for our guys.  But does anyone have any idea of what sales were like for the Neil Diamond album?

Hmm… anyone know the sales figures for the last Joe Thomas-produced project?

Anyone know what the last album Joe Thomas produced was?



Well if the  idea is to go by what Joe Thomas has produced, the project would be in trouble sales wise
Joe Thomas seems like a sharp guy, who produces rock videos on vintage groups like Stevie Nicks, and
somehow stumbled into a relationship with Brian Wilson, producing the Imagination album. Much of his work
seemed to be farmed out to Session men and arrangers, and I know of no other artist of any merit Thomas
has ever produced, in the context of a new album.

Obviously Rick Rubin, Jack White, T Bone Burnett, there are qualified producers or co producers available.

But that doesn't matter. The Beach Boys have 50 years experience in the studio, and a cast of sidemen, that
could all be producers, writers and artists in their own right.

The question is, label support, timing, and the fact that this is no ordinary album., the label has something
special to sell, the original Beach Boys, more or less, doing a real bonafide special album, for the first time
in decades. I don't know how much Joe Thomas adds in the studio, but he seems to obey cardinal rule number
one, don't F up the music, he may not add much, but he doesn't force a bunch of incompetent choices to be made.,.
if he creates a good vibe in the studio, and makes the guys feel comfortable if he offers a little centeredness, in a sea
of quirky artists fine, that's his role, not the role of Phil Spector or George Martin, but a guy who attends to things,
makes sure the string section shows up, makes sure an arranger has charts ready, then fine.


No one knows how well this will sell, no one knows what kind of job the label or promo people will do. How much
money will be spent on ads, how much word of mouth there will be from the tour and album

But they have a special product here, it may be the death knell of classic sixties rock, but still this album can go
big big big, the final studio album from one of the most iconic groups of all time. A sympathetic press, dying to interview
the boys, much like the press used to interview the Beatles in the sixties, most of the groups are dead, or retired, and
here we have Brian Wilson, Mike Love and Al Jardine, and Bruce Johnston, mixing it up with the press, video clips of them
singing on a group overhead microphone in the Capitol tower, this is a red carpet nostalgia trip for baby boomers, and all
the suburban kids will hear from their parents, oh yeah, there was the Beatles, the Stones and the Beach Boys, and this
is a very special moment, little Johny, little Melissa,

Rolling Stone, Newsweek, and Time could offer front covers for this tour and album, and if the reviews say, oh this album is
special, this album transports you back to California Girls, Good Vibrations and God Only Knows., and if a great single starts
getting airplay, because Capitols promoters and indies start twisting arms, and if they buy ads, and it could go viral on the web
and , the all that free Establishment press eating up the story like candy, and Dear Carl Wilson include due to the wizardry of
magnetic tape

If the single is good, and Capitol pushes really really hard, and they start getting feature stories in time and newsweek, this
is gonna be very very big, three times four times bigger than Neil Diamond with Delirious Love

A group is more appealing, than stone faced broody Neil Diamond, there is the funny Beach Boy, the Clever Beach Boy, the spiritual
Beach Boy,

If this is played right, this stands in as a surrogate album for the Beatles album that never happened. This can go very very big, if they
play it right, if they play it hard, this can go big.


If everybody treats it, like eh, this means nothing, then that's what will happen, if on the other hand, you turn on your evening news
and see Paul McCartney or Pete Townsend say, this reminds me of what I wish we could have done, if your local CNN or ABC Broadcaster
looks dead into the camera and says, Ladies and Gentleman, the unbelievable has happened, The Beach Boys have recreated the time
and mood of so long ago with a brilliant new album, being raved about from wall street to London, this may be the most significant rock
album of the last twenty years.


If you start seeing that kind of press, watch what happens. But they gotta have a few first class songs, that live up to the hype
and Capitol has to open their wallets, and they need to call in every favor from every journalist, DJ and promo man they can,

Just watch,. this album is a rare opportunity. We will know pretty soon. Its all up to Brian and the boys delivering, and the PR machine
if they tell people this is one of the most significant albums in a decade, people will listen, people will believe, and in part, it might even
be the truth.

If they let this album die with ordinary promotion efforts, I will be very disappointed, the American Press is practically begging for interviews
they need a first rate journalist in the studio documenting the sessions for the special to air on ABC a week before the albums release.


The Beatles anthology sold around 20 million units on the strength of two new songs, and some film clips, there was no new, last
final album.




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« Reply #376 on: March 05, 2012, 05:10:38 AM »

If everybody treats it, like eh, this means nothing, then that's what will happen, if on the other hand, you turn on your evening news
and see Paul McCartney or Pete Townsend say, this reminds me of what I wish we could have done, if your local CNN or ABC Broadcaster
looks dead into the camera and says, Ladies and Gentleman, the unbelievable has happened, The Beach Boys have recreated the time
and mood of so long ago with a brilliant new album, being raved about from wall street to London, this may be the most significant rock
album of the last twenty years.

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You can't really be expected McCartney and Townsend to do publicity for this, and for it to be the most significant album of the past twenty years, can you?
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« Reply #377 on: March 05, 2012, 05:11:43 AM »

But The Beatles Anthology was done in the 90's, when record sales were stronger on the whole.

The industry really doesn't pull those sort of numbers any more, or at least certainly not old bands. You could have the most sympathetic press in the world, but the Beach Boys won't pull 5 million units. I mean, that is Gaga numbers (Born This Way has shipped 8 million). Even other pop stars of the moment don't come close - Drake's latest has 'only' sold 1.5 million to date, Kanye West's latest has sold 1.2 to date, and Adele's 21, the bestselling British album of the 21st Century, has sold 4 million. Katy Perry's latest has sold 2 million, but then it was released in 2010! You expect the Beach Boys to easily surpass in initial sales what Katy Perry, who the kids actually give a crap about, has done in two years? These are insanely popular albums too. No way will the group get close. It'll sell well, I'll buy one, but they won't get close to popstar numbers.

As Undesirable Element says, screw the number of sales. It's not important, the record is what matters. Although your faith is rather nice, just unrealistic.
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« Reply #378 on: March 05, 2012, 05:11:56 AM »

Neil Diamond's previous (?) album (the one produced by Rick Rubin) went to number one in both the US and UK.  I don't think it is unreasonable to hope for a similar outcome for our guys.  But does anyone have any idea of what sales were like for the Neil Diamond album?

Hmm… anyone know the sales figures for the last Joe Thomas-produced project?

Anyone know what the last album Joe Thomas produced was?



Well if the  idea is to go by what Joe Thomas has produced, the project would be in trouble sales wise
Joe Thomas seems like a sharp guy, who produces rock videos on vintage groups like Stevie Nicks, and
somehow stumbled into a relationship with Brian Wilson, producing the Imagination album. Much of his work
seemed to be farmed out to Session men and arrangers, and I know of no other artist of any merit Thomas
has ever produced, in the context of a new album.

Obviously Rick Rubin, Jack White, T Bone Burnett, there are qualified producers or co producers available.

But that doesn't matter. The Beach Boys have 50 years experience in the studio, and a cast of sidemen, that
could all be producers, writers and artists in their own right.

The question is, label support, timing, and the fact that this is no ordinary album., the label has something
special to sell, the original Beach Boys, more or less, doing a real bonafide special album, for the first time
in decades. I don't know how much Joe Thomas adds in the studio, but he seems to obey cardinal rule number
one, don't F up the music, he may not add much, but he doesn't force a bunch of incompetent choices to be made.,.
if he creates a good vibe in the studio, and makes the guys feel comfortable if he offers a little centeredness, in a sea
of quirky artists fine, that's his role, not the role of Phil Spector or George Martin, but a guy who attends to things,
makes sure the string section shows up, makes sure an arranger has charts ready, then fine.


No one knows how well this will sell, no one knows what kind of job the label or promo people will do. How much
money will be spent on ads, how much word of mouth there will be from the tour and album

But they have a special product here, it may be the death knell of classic sixties rock, but still this album can go
big big big, the final studio album from one of the most iconic groups of all time. A sympathetic press, dying to interview
the boys, much like the press used to interview the Beatles in the sixties, most of the groups are dead, or retired, and
here we have Brian Wilson, Mike Love and Al Jardine, and Bruce Johnston, mixing it up with the press, video clips of them
singing on a group overhead microphone in the Capitol tower, this is a red carpet nostalgia trip for baby boomers, and all
the suburban kids will hear from their parents, oh yeah, there was the Beatles, the Stones and the Beach Boys, and this
is a very special moment, little Johny, little Melissa,

Rolling Stone, Newsweek, and Time could offer front covers for this tour and album, and if the reviews say, oh this album is
special, this album transports you back to California Girls, Good Vibrations and God Only Knows., and if a great single starts
getting airplay, because Capitols promoters and indies start twisting arms, and if they buy ads, and it could go viral on the web
and , the all that free Establishment press eating up the story like candy, and Dear Carl Wilson include due to the wizardry of
magnetic tape

If the single is good, and Capitol pushes really really hard, and they start getting feature stories in time and newsweek, this
is gonna be very very big, three times four times bigger than Neil Diamond with Delirious Love

A group is more appealing, than stone faced broody Neil Diamond, there is the funny Beach Boy, the Clever Beach Boy, the spiritual
Beach Boy,

If this is played right, this stands in as a surrogate album for the Beatles album that never happened. This can go very very big, if they
play it right, if they play it hard, this can go big.


If everybody treats it, like eh, this means nothing, then that's what will happen, if on the other hand, you turn on your evening news
and see Paul McCartney or Pete Townsend say, this reminds me of what I wish we could have done, if your local CNN or ABC Broadcaster
looks dead into the camera and says, Ladies and Gentleman, the unbelievable has happened, The Beach Boys have recreated the time
and mood of so long ago with a brilliant new album, being raved about from wall street to London, this may be the most significant rock
album of the last twenty years.


If you start seeing that kind of press, watch what happens. But they gotta have a few first class songs, that live up to the hype
and Capitol has to open their wallets, and they need to call in every favor from every journalist, DJ and promo man they can,

Just watch,. this album is a rare opportunity. We will know pretty soon. Its all up to Brian and the boys delivering, and the PR machine
if they tell people this is one of the most significant albums in a decade, people will listen, people will believe, and in part, it might even
be the truth.

If they let this album die with ordinary promotion efforts, I will be very disappointed, the American Press is practically begging for interviews
they need a first rate journalist in the studio documenting the sessions for the special to air on ABC a week before the albums release.


The Beatles anthology sold around 20 million units on the strength of two new songs, and some film clips, there was no new, last
final album.


I note the most repeated word is "if". 'Nuff said.
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« Reply #379 on: March 05, 2012, 05:16:02 AM »

The Beatles anthology sold around 20 million units on the strength of two new songs, and some film clips, there was no new, last
final album.

No, and you're missing the point entirely. It sold that many because it was The Beatles.
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« Reply #380 on: March 05, 2012, 05:18:35 AM »

The Beatles anthology sold around 20 million units on the strength of two new songs, and some film clips, there was no new, last
final album.

No, and you're missing the point entirely. It sold that many because it was The Beatles.

Also, to play the RIAA's game, it was 3 double disc sets. The numbers are gonna be inflated.
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« Reply #381 on: March 05, 2012, 05:37:18 AM »

Neil Diamond's previous (?) album (the one produced by Rick Rubin) went to number one in both the US and UK.  I don't think it is unreasonable to hope for a similar outcome for our guys.  But does anyone have any idea of what sales were like for the Neil Diamond album?

Hmm… anyone know the sales figures for the last Joe Thomas-produced project?

Anyone know what the last album Joe Thomas produced was?



Well if the  idea is to go by what Joe Thomas has produced, the project would be in trouble sales wise
Joe Thomas seems like a sharp guy, who produces rock videos on vintage groups like Stevie Nicks, and
somehow stumbled into a relationship with Brian Wilson, producing the Imagination album. Much of his work
seemed to be farmed out to Session men and arrangers, and I know of no other artist of any merit Thomas
has ever produced, in the context of a new album.

Obviously Rick Rubin, Jack White, T Bone Burnett, there are qualified producers or co producers available.

But that doesn't matter. The Beach Boys have 50 years experience in the studio, and a cast of sidemen, that
could all be producers, writers and artists in their own right.

The question is, label support, timing, and the fact that this is no ordinary album., the label has something
special to sell, the original Beach Boys, more or less, doing a real bonafide special album, for the first time
in decades. I don't know how much Joe Thomas adds in the studio, but he seems to obey cardinal rule number
one, don't F up the music, he may not add much, but he doesn't force a bunch of incompetent choices to be made.,.
if he creates a good vibe in the studio, and makes the guys feel comfortable if he offers a little centeredness, in a sea
of quirky artists fine, that's his role, not the role of Phil Spector or George Martin, but a guy who attends to things,
makes sure the string section shows up, makes sure an arranger has charts ready, then fine.


No one knows how well this will sell, no one knows what kind of job the label or promo people will do. How much
money will be spent on ads, how much word of mouth there will be from the tour and album

But they have a special product here, it may be the death knell of classic sixties rock, but still this album can go
big big big, the final studio album from one of the most iconic groups of all time. A sympathetic press, dying to interview
the boys, much like the press used to interview the Beatles in the sixties, most of the groups are dead, or retired, and
here we have Brian Wilson, Mike Love and Al Jardine, and Bruce Johnston, mixing it up with the press, video clips of them
singing on a group overhead microphone in the Capitol tower, this is a red carpet nostalgia trip for baby boomers, and all
the suburban kids will hear from their parents, oh yeah, there was the Beatles, the Stones and the Beach Boys, and this
is a very special moment, little Johny, little Melissa,

Rolling Stone, Newsweek, and Time could offer front covers for this tour and album, and if the reviews say, oh this album is
special, this album transports you back to California Girls, Good Vibrations and God Only Knows., and if a great single starts
getting airplay, because Capitols promoters and indies start twisting arms, and if they buy ads, and it could go viral on the web
and , the all that free Establishment press eating up the story like candy, and Dear Carl Wilson include due to the wizardry of
magnetic tape

If the single is good, and Capitol pushes really really hard, and they start getting feature stories in time and newsweek, this
is gonna be very very big, three times four times bigger than Neil Diamond with Delirious Love

A group is more appealing, than stone faced broody Neil Diamond, there is the funny Beach Boy, the Clever Beach Boy, the spiritual
Beach Boy,

If this is played right, this stands in as a surrogate album for the Beatles album that never happened. This can go very very big, if they
play it right, if they play it hard, this can go big.


If everybody treats it, like eh, this means nothing, then that's what will happen, if on the other hand, you turn on your evening news
and see Paul McCartney or Pete Townsend say, this reminds me of what I wish we could have done, if your local CNN or ABC Broadcaster
looks dead into the camera and says, Ladies and Gentleman, the unbelievable has happened, The Beach Boys have recreated the time
and mood of so long ago with a brilliant new album, being raved about from wall street to London, this may be the most significant rock
album of the last twenty years.


If you start seeing that kind of press, watch what happens. But they gotta have a few first class songs, that live up to the hype
and Capitol has to open their wallets, and they need to call in every favor from every journalist, DJ and promo man they can,

Just watch,. this album is a rare opportunity. We will know pretty soon. Its all up to Brian and the boys delivering, and the PR machine
if they tell people this is one of the most significant albums in a decade, people will listen, people will believe, and in part, it might even
be the truth.

If they let this album die with ordinary promotion efforts, I will be very disappointed, the American Press is practically begging for interviews
they need a first rate journalist in the studio documenting the sessions for the special to air on ABC a week before the albums release.


The Beatles anthology sold around 20 million units on the strength of two new songs, and some film clips, there was no new, last
final album.





Reality check please, plot lost.
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« Reply #382 on: March 05, 2012, 05:47:23 AM »

You guy's AGD, Hypehat, you all score fair points, but you are missing my greater point.
I used some hypotheticals, I consider possible, even likely, to illustrate something.

If the music is really good, the wheels are greased for it to go big, the timing, the circumstances
the plethora of major press interested in the story.

McCartney, Townshend, CNN, number of units sold is hypothetical.

But this is no ordinary album, and the label, I  believe is very much behind this
project, and the Beach Boys, I think (hope) are very much into this project.

Capitol records puts two or three in house guys behind this, hustling radio not
much will  happen, if they hire, 20 indie guys with muscle for six to eight weeks
to ram this record at radio, and really buy some nice ads on TV and the most pertinent
press journals, combined with the wonderful story of overcoming adversity, and giving
us one more trip back into the sixties.

They could do very very well. I haven't seen a classic rock album of new music poised
to do so well in a long time. The Pink Floyd and Beatles remasters were old music after all
and did very good business. I don't live in a well or a cave, I am in general terms aware
of the decline in music sales, classic rock sales, on line piracy, changes in musical taste,
the fact that the Beach Boys are not as big a name as the Beatles.


I just feel based on my observations, this is poised to do very very well.

It would make me happy, personally to see them get a lot of recognition and sales, but
I will be happy with copy of the album, especially if it knocks me out.

I assume Capitol has their "A" team on this, that independents are being hired for additional
promotion and press liaison, When we hear the single in say six or eight weeks, and if that
harkens back to God Only Knows, or California Girls or Please Let Me Wonder, I think they have
a home run, if on the other hand it sounds lame or run of the mill, maybe you're right.


I am very optimistic, but I have no inside information, and I have not heard one note of the
new music. We will all know soon enough,

I was trying as best I could to explain why I was optimistic, and why this could be viewed by
the world as a very special album.
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« Reply #383 on: March 05, 2012, 06:04:41 AM »

But they have a special product here, it may be the death knell of classic sixties rock, but still this album can go
big big big, the final studio album from one of the most iconic groups of all time. A sympathetic press, dying to interview
the boys, much like the press used to interview the Beatles in the sixties, most of the groups are dead, or retired, and
here we have Brian Wilson, Mike Love and Al Jardine, and Bruce Johnston, mixing it up with the press, video clips of them
singing on a group overhead microphone in the Capitol tower, this is a red carpet nostalgia trip for baby boomers, and all
the suburban kids will hear from their parents, oh yeah, there was the Beatles, the Stones and the Beach Boys, and this
is a very special moment, little Johny, little Melissa,

If these are baby boomers talking to their kids, then the reply to that will be "Oh God, Dad's started calling me 'little Johnny' even though I'm forty-five. Better have the doctor check him out for Alzheimer's..."

Rolling Stone, Newsweek, and Time could offer front covers for this tour and album,

And my boss could tell me "don't bother to ever come into work again, I'm just going to keep paying you because I like you so much". I doubt it though.

If the single is good, and Capitol pushes really really hard, and they start getting feature stories in time and newsweek, this
is gonna be very very big, three times four times bigger than Neil Diamond with Delirious Love

That album was one of an unbroken run of Gold or Platinum albums for Diamond stretching back 36 years at the time. Every two years or so, he releases an album, and it goes at least top twenty, pretty consistently. Other than Still Cruisn' (which was a) full of old hits,  b) the album containing the band's fluke hit single Kokomo and c) twenty-three years ago itself) the Beach Boys haven't released a gold record i*in* thirty-six years. They've not had one since 15 Big Ones.

A group is more appealing, than stone faced broody Neil Diamond, there is the funny Beach Boy, the Clever Beach Boy, the spiritual
Beach Boy,

Which one's which? To the extent they have any public profile at all there's the Mentally Ill Beach Boy, the Lawsuit Beach Boy, the Anonymous Beach Boy, the Other Anonymous Beach Boy and the Other Other Anonymous Beach Boy.


If this is played right, this stands in as a surrogate album for the Beatles album that never happened.

What Beatles album that never happened?

If everybody treats it, like eh, this means nothing, then that's what will happen, if on the other hand, you turn on your evening news
and see Paul McCartney or Pete Townsend say, this reminds me of what I wish we could have done, if your local CNN or ABC Broadcaster
looks dead into the camera and says, Ladies and Gentleman, the unbelievable has happened, The Beach Boys have recreated the time
and mood of so long ago with a brilliant new album, being raved about from wall street to London, this may be the most significant rock
album of the last twenty years.

That simply isn't going to happen.

The Beatles anthology sold around 20 million units on the strength of two new songs, and some film clips, there was no new, last final album.

Two new songs, some film clips, six CDs of outtakes, an eight-hour long TV series broadcast on prime-time network TV worldwide over the Christmas period, it being the first new releases by the most successful band in history in twenty-five years, a renewed wave of interest in the Beatles even before the reunion, and *THEM BEING THE BEATLES*.

Look, it's nice to fantasise, we all know that. But *best* case scenario goes as follows:

The new album is as good as That Lucky Old Sun or the better material from Gettin' In Over My Head. It gets solid four-star reviews in most broadsheet newspapers and in Mojo. Maybe there are a few interviews in the Guardian Weekend section or USian equivalent. The music magazines aimed at younger people either give it five stars or one star based entirely on the prejudices of the writer in question. The single gets no airplay at all on US radio because it doesn't fit any formats, but gets mild rotation on Radio 2 in the UK. The album goes top ten for a week or two based mostly on the tour.

That's *best*-case, seriously, for this album.

The general public doesn't care any more about the Beach Boys' reunion than about, say, the Monkees reunion last year -- possibly less, because there hadn't been a band calling itself the Monkees touring in the intervening time, and people actually know the names of the individual Monkees. The boomer audience in general isn't particularly interested in new music by the musicians they love, and mostly gave up on the Beach Boys around Pet Sounds.

And that's *if* they manage a half-decent album. I think it's promising, based on Brian's recent form, but I know people -- people who know and love the best of the BBs' music -- who find the idea risible. The last time they released a half-decent album was LA (Light Album). The last time they released something *good* - Love You - was before I was born.

I get that you're excited, but popular culture has moved on. Even if the Beach Boys release the best album of their career, it will matter to the general public about as much as if Benny Goodman had released the album of his career in the 1970s.

You're setting yourself up for a massive, massive disappointment. If it goes as I've described, I'll be ecstatic, frankly, while you'll be horrified. Think about this rationally, and realign your expectations with what is possible.
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« Reply #384 on: March 05, 2012, 08:23:56 AM »

You could be right friend. After all, this place is a forum for some of the biggest Beach Boys fans
and supporters on the planet, and if people here don't even believe the new album can go gold
and platinum what chance is there?


Who would have thought 85 year old Tony Bennett would have recently scored his first number
one on the Billboard charts ever! 85 years old!

It's gotta be a lot harder to sell the great Tony Bennett at age 85 all the way to number one, than
to pitch the Iconic Beach Boys up near the top.

Baby boomers children are not all 45 years old, millions of baby boomer children are still teens
or young adults, my own included. I'm not too far past 45 myself. Further than I'd like.

There is a special chance here, careers ebb and flow, not every great act is on top all the time, there
are many examples of great artists, singers, actors, who achieve great success go through a dry period
and end up on top again..

I won't be disappointed either way, for me the music counts, if I enjoy the work they did on the album
that will be satisfying. But I admit I would like to see them score one for the classic rock team.

Another thing that makes it more than possible is the lack of good competition, there were a lot of
good songs on the radio in 1965 or even 1975 or maybe even 1985, there aren't that many now, and
if the boys get some airplay and exposure with a great song, I am confident they can be successful, I have
already stated my reasons. I don't need to keep rebutting, or explaining, we will all know soon enough

Meanwhile when can we get some more fresh news on whats happening with the progress of the album
in the studio.

Remember many millions of us classic rock lovers are still here, you see sales in the many millions on some of
these re issues. We don't have a lot of albums we want to buy in these tough economic times. Its not that we
are only interested in the old songs from the classic groups. It also that the classic artists haven't been delivering
much in the way of new product anyone likes. If people like the new album, Millions of people will come out of
the woodwork to buy it. If they know about it. Most of my classic rock friends were not even aware of Smile, and
they were also confused about how it was possible when Brian Wilson had put all that to rest in 2004. The Smile
sessions was the third time those songs had been sold, the original singles and albums the songswere issued on
like Smiley Smile, the Wilson solo version, and then the Beach Boy version. There won't be any such confusion
with this upcoming new album.


We all win either way, a new and final Beach Boys studio album, that is supposed to be quite good. If Capitol is
investing a million bucks to pay for the recording of it, then surely they can spend another milllion or two, to push
the darn thing.
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« Reply #385 on: March 05, 2012, 08:37:39 AM »

Oh sure, I think it has a high chance of going number one. But that Tony Bennett album hasn't gone gold or platinum (except in Canada). You're saying two different things. Will it sell? Unless it's a pile of crap, yes! Will it go diamond, have celebrities raving it about it on network TV, send all the young kids going crazy for the group, and find me a cheaper haircut? No!
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« Reply #386 on: March 05, 2012, 08:59:14 AM »

I had a dream I heard TWGMR last night

It was incredible
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« Reply #387 on: March 05, 2012, 09:02:54 AM »

On the topic of record sales had SOS gone triple platinum yet? I remember reading that still sells a couple of thousand every week
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« Reply #388 on: March 05, 2012, 10:43:31 AM »

The Beach Boys have been pegged as a golden oldies band since 1973. With the exception of one nostalgic mega hit 25 years ago and the album that rode it's coattails, nothing of new material has sold huge numbers since their '60s heyday. This new album is not going to change that. It will sell to the faithfull, gather critical repsect if it's good, be dumped upon if it's bad and be be forgotten by the world at large within a year of it being released. I love The Beach Boys but dude, reality check time.
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The Beach Boys have been pegged as a golden oldies band since 1973. With the exception of one nostalgic mega hit 25 years ago and the album that rode it's coattails, nothing of new material has sold huge numbers since their '60s heyday. This new album is not going to change that. It will sell to the faithfull, gather critical repsect if it's good, be dumped upon if it's bad and be be forgotten by the world at large within a year of it being released. I love The Beach Boys but dude, reality check time.

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« Reply #390 on: March 05, 2012, 12:22:30 PM »

I had a dream I heard TWGMR last night

It was incredible

what is TWGMR? why do people feel the need to abbreviate everything?
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« Reply #391 on: March 05, 2012, 12:25:33 PM »

I had a dream I heard TWGMR last night

It was incredible

what is TWGMR? why do people feel the need to abbreviate everything?

IDK.
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« Reply #392 on: March 05, 2012, 12:50:13 PM »

I had a dream I heard TWGMR last night

It was incredible

what is TWGMR? why do people feel the need to abbreviate everything?

That's why god made radio

Not an easy song title to write on a phone
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« Reply #393 on: March 05, 2012, 12:55:35 PM »

You really cannot compare Tony Bennett with the Beach Boys.

Bennett has, guided by his manager (also his son), cleverly and carefully nurtured his image for the last 20+ years....touring and recording frequently, appearing on the "right" TV shows, festivals and so on.....and all the time sticking to old standards which are pretty timeless. The Beach Boys music may be timeless in some respects but they don't have 20 years in which to nurture an image with the audience at large.

The Beach Boys as an entity have not really had consistent output since 1966 or so, and have not projected a consistent image. They're still well known and people will turn out in their thousands to hear "Surfin' USA" or "God Only Knows"......but are they really interested in new material?

If they were...then Brian's albums in the last few years would have sold *tonnage*....Mike would have been able to easily release his projected album that he's been hawking for a few years now...ditto Al.

Just looking at the music industry these days, nothing sells millions now. The best case scenario is that somehow the Boys do become 'in fashion' again...but that would be pure luck. The album could end up being pretty good with good reviews and a bit of air play and some appearances on the 'right' TV shows. It might top the charts in several countries.....but even then it may not sell a million.

A realistic hope is that the record is good, between them the Beach Boys probably have 40-50 minutes worth of good material which Brian and the producers can fashion into a coherent LP. Further realistic hope is that there might be one moderately successful hit single - by which I mean top 40, maybe top 20 but no better...and not in the charts more than 2-3 weeks. The album itself I wouldn't expect to chart for more than a month...even if it is great.

The music scene has moved on. Heck, The Beatles anthology was 18 years ago now...another world in the industry.
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A realistic hope is that the record is good, between them the Beach Boys probably have 40-50 minutes worth of good material which Brian and the producers can fashion into a coherent LP. Further realistic hope is that there might be one moderately successful hit single - by which I mean top 40, maybe top 20 but no better...and not in the charts more than 2-3 weeks. The album itself I wouldn't expect to chart for more than a month...even if it is great.



Can I add also that it continues to be available and sell in years to come?
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« Reply #395 on: March 05, 2012, 01:34:54 PM »

You really cannot compare Tony Bennett with the Beach Boys.

Bennett has, guided by his manager (also his son), cleverly and carefully nurtured his image for the last 20+ years....touring and recording frequently, appearing on the "right" TV shows, festivals and so on.....and all the time sticking to old standards which are pretty timeless. The Beach Boys music may be timeless in some respects but they don't have 20 years in which to nurture an image with the audience at large.

The Beach Boys as an entity have not really had consistent output since 1966 or so, and have not projected a consistent image. They're still well known and people will turn out in their thousands to hear "Surfin' USA" or "God Only Knows"......but are they really interested in new material?

If they were...then Brian's albums in the last few years would have sold *tonnage*....Mike would have been able to easily release his projected album that he's been hawking for a few years now...ditto Al.

Just looking at the music industry these days, nothing sells millions now. The best case scenario is that somehow the Boys do become 'in fashion' again...but that would be pure luck. The album could end up being pretty good with good reviews and a bit of air play and some appearances on the 'right' TV shows. It might top the charts in several countries.....but even then it may not sell a million.

A realistic hope is that the record is good, between them the Beach Boys probably have 40-50 minutes worth of good material which Brian and the producers can fashion into a coherent LP. Further realistic hope is that there might be one moderately successful hit single - by which I mean top 40, maybe top 20 but no better...and not in the charts more than 2-3 weeks. The album itself I wouldn't expect to chart for more than a month...even if it is great.

The music scene has moved on. Heck, The Beatles anthology was 18 years ago now...another world in the industry.


Actually Tony Bennet's son and Tony, began formulating their marketing plan, more like 35 years ago. What it came down to was, do the music in your
heart and people will come, and they did. What they did, was get Tony on MTV or VH1 and on the bill with modern acts, but stuck to their guns
about what the musical content would be. They reached out and marketed, it to different people. It worked.

You say if all Brian Wilson had to do, was make fresh music, that would have already done the trick. But the music was uneven, Smile 2004 did well
The other albums of fresh material, although containing a few fresh very good songs, were not up to the quality of Pet Sounds, Smile or California Girls.
Vocally Wilson was not as strong as the group, and the Beach Boy name was absent. Also the drama of 50 years, and , the reunion, and the final studio
album were absent.

Some of you guys talk like football coaches or Military men, handicapping, if you do this, you can expect that, you are leaving out the intangibles.
I am no Beach Boys expert, or marketing expert, I can just see a window  of a very rare opportunity here. One reason albums don't sell is piracy
another reason albums don't sell, is because the record people who groom artists and product for the public, Well they gradually let the quality
of the work and the artist and repertoire sink to all time lows. If you do a good marketing job with something people want to buy, they will buy it.
There are seven billion people on the planet, more than double in the Beach Boys heyday. Believe me, at least a million of those people will be interested
in this product (album) if the album is good and it is well marketed. From your arguments, you say even the top contemporary groups aren't selling
a million, lots of people have ten or fifteen bucks to spend on an album. They must not like the albums being offered them. Or the marketing leaves
the people unaware of the albums very existence.

Now as to the other argument I am hearing, that it will take producers and staff just to assemble a coherent album, because there is not much
there of a spiritual or commercial value,, well that's different. I think this is the first time Brian Wilson has really tried to make a good Beach Boy
album in 25-30 years, with his effort, and the Beach Boy blend, that makes a lot of difference. I didn't buy Gershwin or Disney, I did buy TLOS and
admired it, but I don't listen to it, vocally it wasn't nearly as good as the Beach Boys, the blend wasn't there.

Look I don't want to be odd man out here, or the butt of jokes, enough, we will see what happens.

I'd like to get some more info from the studio, do we have any more song titles, or updates of any kind, they seem to have gone silent over
at the studio for the last ten days or so, prior to that we were getting leaks and interviews everyday.

Does "that's why God made the radio, sound like a great title, or a parody, something from a Hollywood B picture. I can't decide, it reminds
me of something gimmicky like Rhinestone Cowboy or cover of the rolling stone
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« Reply #396 on: March 05, 2012, 04:14:39 PM »

Actually, it reminds me of Paul Simon's "That's Why God Made The Movies."

I agree with pretty much everything that Andrew Hickey said.

Contrary to what the press would have you believe, "pirating" really doesn't have the affect on album sales as you think.

No offense to the remaining good people at Capitol I'm friendly with, this thought that they "get a team of the best people" to work this album on radio is ridiculous. It doesn't work that way and hasn't in eons. There's no "record plugger" zig-zagging the U.S. shmoozing jocks to get a tune on the air. EVER. For ANYBODY.

Although no label can predict a definitive path to getting a new Beach Boys album maximum attention, two labels -- Concord/Hear Music and UMe would've been the smartest move for the powers to be to pursue. Now, as we all know Capitol just might (hopefully) BE a part of UMe this time next year -- or sooner -- but that really does no help for the project at hand in the short run.

Now, like most of us, I can't really find much to complain about thus far. Everything is still operating at the "best case scenario" level and I suspect that the band's own publicity will be working the album in addition to the label, which will give it a far stronger push than, say, Ringo's 'Liverpool 8' LP. Jean, Paki and their crew have done awesome work for each new BW release regardless of what label the album's been released on -- FAR better than acts repped by the likes of Nasty Little Man, Shorefire, etc. If they're left to do their jobs -- this LP/tour will reach the masses and proper outlets.

As long as everybody sounds good on the road, no one's back gives out, no one pulls any sh it regarding their cut of the cash before April -- or worse, two weeks into the tour -- on paper at least, this might be as good as we hope it'll be.
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« Reply #397 on: March 05, 2012, 05:21:42 PM »

The general public doesn't care any more about the Beach Boys' reunion than about, say, the Monkees reunion last year -- possibly less, because there hadn't been a band calling itself the Monkees touring in the intervening time, and people actually know the names of the individual Monkees. The boomer audience in general isn't particularly interested in new music by the musicians they love, and mostly gave up on the Beach Boys around Pet Sounds.

See, I'm not expecting sales of five squillion for the album, but I think this picture is underselling it almost as much as the other postings are overselling it.

The Monkees tour didn't sell out in minutes and have to keep adding dates.  The Monkees didn't play in front of a record-setting 41.2 million viewers on the Grammys.  The Monkees don't have an evergreen multi-million-selling greatest-hits set that's still raking 'em in (the Monkees' last greatest-hits didn't even go gold).  And the Monkees, quite simply, are not America's Band.

Now -- is that enough to get a gold record out of it?  I don't know.  It'd be a stretch.  But in 2001, McCartney's last greatest-hits collection went double platinum, and off the back of a successful comeback tour his album *eventually* went gold.  And yeah, the Boys aren't in Macca's league...  but I think they're way closer to that league than to the Monkees.

(No offence to fellow Monkees fans...)

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« Reply #398 on: March 05, 2012, 05:53:44 PM »

The Beach Boys have been pegged as a golden oldies band since 1973. With the exception of one nostalgic mega hit 25 years ago and the album that rode it's coattails, nothing of new material has sold huge numbers since their '60s heyday. This new album is not going to change that. It will sell to the faithfull, gather critical repsect if it's good, be dumped upon if it's bad and be be forgotten by the world at large within a year of it being released. I love The Beach Boys but dude, reality check time.

Yes but WALL OF TEXT

WTF?
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« Reply #399 on: March 05, 2012, 06:47:42 PM »

The Beach Boys have been pegged as a golden oldies band since 1973. With the exception of one nostalgic mega hit 25 years ago and the album that rode it's coattails, nothing of new material has sold huge numbers since their '60s heyday. This new album is not going to change that. It will sell to the faithfull, gather critical repsect if it's good, be dumped upon if it's bad and be be forgotten by the world at large within a year of it being released. I love The Beach Boys but dude, reality check time.

Yes but WALL OF TEXT

WTF?

It seemed like for every reasonable reality check regarding the commercial prospects of the new BBs album, there was a wall of text in response.

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