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« on: February 13, 2012, 02:33:26 AM »

I would rather people listen to my original music but the thread I posted didn't get any responses so I figured people would go for this. I would've covered something from side B of Today but this was easier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xouj4DyeaTM
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2012, 12:59:12 PM »

Sweet cover with lots of energy, what song from Today were you going to do?
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2012, 01:03:25 PM »

nah I mean that as a general statement, in that I'm not capable of covering something that complex and making it beautiful like a lot of people here.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2012, 02:49:40 PM »

I did listen to your original stuff, but I wasn't able to give it enough time so I didn't say anything. It was pretty good, sounds lush.

As for this, well..... It's Ding Dang for ten minutes  LOL
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2012, 02:51:45 PM »

As for this, well..... It's Ding Dang for ten minutes  LOL

Rock! which is why it gets a thumbs up from me!
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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2012, 09:24:31 PM »

The best part about DD is that it only has one chord!
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2013, 07:38:14 AM »

So, I was surfing this sub-forum for your other musical examples, as I remembered you said that you posted here before. And accidentally came across your BBs cover. To be honest, I can't say I liked it, mainly because of your angry (and ear-attacking) kind of vocals, no matter was it intentional or due to the bad mood. However, the idea itself is very interesting, i.e. to extend the song for 10 minutes. As for B-side of Today!, I agree with you, it wouldn't work, better to try another LY cut.

Now about your other videos. I didn't check all of them but what I did - I liked very much, especially Farmcore. It's a jolly good acoustic song. Entertaining as well, you both even dressed like farmers, with cool-shaped hat & so on. What I also noticed is that you played the guitar with just fingers, while on records it's audible you used the fingerpick.

V-n of Dion & The Belmonts song is wonderful! I actually never liked the original but Sloppy Horse definitely outdid it. The vocals are a bit imperfect, for sure, yet it oddly works! Mostly I didn't like other guy's voice - it's weak, nothing special. As for the girl, she added cool modern sound to the last line. The ending with shouts is epic & seems like you all had fun doing it!

I can't comment on John Allyn Smith Sails, I need to compare it with an actual song. Nevertheless, nifty work. Dig the Sloop John B reference near the end.
I'm not familiar with Bright Eyes yet, so I hadn't listen to "You Will. You? Will...." (what a nonsensical song name). However, I'd be a liar if said I didn't like that. Beautiful & touching performance. I suspect that it's your favorite song of the band, though I might be wrong. You just sang it very sensitively (in a good way) & affectionately, so to speak. Well done!

I still think that Endless Open Sky (be it MM or solo v-n) is on top, but Persephone 1 & 2 (Children of Diameter) is a gem, esp. the 1st one. I also downloaded the studio version (thanks for the link & the lyrics, btw) which has some groovy guitar work going on. The lead vocals are great!

Besides the music stuff, I watched Youtube #2 & "Hi, America" videos. The former is very interesting monologue, I like your speaking voice. Don't know what you meant by saying you have some difficulties in talking. In fact, you seemed to me rather articulate. Ever tried to create the blogs?
The latter is quite entertaining. Those semi-musical sound effects are really cool! It's like an outtake from your avant-garde EP.

Anyway, thanks for posting your Ding Dang cover & other recent videos in YT! Enjoyed & downloaded them via SaveTube. One small advice: be confident, ignore the negative comments.
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2013, 11:51:23 AM »

Once again I thank you for taking the time to listen to / watch my things.

Farmcore, I just didn't happen to have a pick at the time, and in terms of the straw hat, I wasn't wearing it just for the video, I wore that hat every day for like 6 months, haha.

John Allyn Smith Sails I screwed up a lot but the Sloop reference at the end is what made me start listening to the band that performed it (Okkervil River) in the first place.

Bright Eyes are one of my favorite bands and they do a few silly song titled ("Haligh, Haligh, a Lie, Haligh" is another one). As for "You Will"... I attribute my emotion in the performance to the fact that it's a song I really relate to and it's just a very emotional song in general.

Besides the music stuff, I watched Youtube #2 & "Hi, America" videos. The former is very interesting monologue, I like your speaking voice. Don't know what you meant by saying you have some difficulties in talking. In fact, you seemed to me rather articulate. Ever tried to create the blogs?
The latter is quite entertaining. Those semi-musical sound effects are really cool! It's like an outtake from your avant-garde EP.

If you're talking about the toilet paper video, the first song is Mike Melvoin's cover of Lady Jane by the Rolling Stones and track in the bathroom scene is by Merzbow who is a Japanese noise artist. It's cool that you think my avant-garde stuff is reminiscent of Merzbow!

Typically the stuff I post on my youtube channel is very unprepared and done on a whim. It makes sense that you would like my studio stuff better because I actually tried to make it sound good. All of the cover songs I posted I didn't know how to play before 5 minutes before recording the video, and in a lot of them I'm reading the lyrics off the computer screen.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2013, 07:31:52 AM »

No thanks needed. It's just my honest thoughts on your music/speech. Trust me, it was no waste of time.

Re straw hat, I think it's a very cool headgear, no wonder why you wore it that long unstoppably.

After listening to the Okkervil River original, I can actually say that it's a good song on its own, not only the ending.

Again, I want to mention that "You Will..." is amazing! I can't help but kind of feel sympathy for you. Btw, I only now noticed that you wear the Beatles T-shirt in that video. It's one of my fave photo sessions by them!

Speaking of "Hello, America" presidential speech, do you remember what specific Merzbow song it was? As for Lady Jane - wow, I can't believe that I didn't recognize it! Though I must've been more concentrated on the words than music. Also, may me add that you had the best hairstyle of all your videos there. Very fits you.

Yesterday, doing simple search (I'm sure that it's normal & most of Smiley Smilers check other people at least once as well), I found your soundcloud page & downloaded to my collection Bhranthan & Breathe In, Leave Out. They are incredibly beautiful songs! Esp. the former - it's got the joy & at the same time - sadness. Plus I dig it for the folklore elements. It's like about an ancient tale. The latter is haunting & majestically sung. Related question - what is that instrument you played in those 2 songs? Sounds to me like combination of dulcimer & harp. I ask it because it's really marvellous arrangement! Along with EOS, Back to Winter, Vanilla Island & No Matter What, the songs are in my favorites' list now! Thanks for the download links! Glad you post your music for free.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2013, 05:35:57 PM »

I would have to listen to hours of noise music to tell you for certain which Merzbow song it is, but I think it might be from the OM Electrique album, perhaps the first or second track.

The soundcloud page I mainly use for demos and songs I recorded when I was a kid and silly stuff, so it's no surprise those are the two songs that stood out to you. Those are two songs I've written recently and I plan on recording them better eventually. The instrument I used there is the autoharp.

Looks like this:


It's also what I played on the title track of "Abstracts".

I wrote "Breathe In, Leave Out" on piano and but I'm not skilled enough to perform a piano version that I'm satisfied with... yet.
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2013, 07:50:34 AM »

Thanks for the info, I'll soon check that Merzbow album. Speaking of the s/c page, the time I posted about finding it, I didn't check all of the recordings, only exactly the recent ones. So your theory is wrong. Even if it consisted of mainly the best of the bests, I'd still say those 2 songs became my faves.

Well, I almost gave the right answer, i.e. "harp" without "auto-". I already like the harp, but his modified brother is even more interesting sonically. It sounds harder, so to speak, as well as brighter & sharper, while harp is mellow. Nevertheless, the autoharp is no less melodic than the latter.

Yes, I read the credits to your Abstracts mini-record the day I downloaded it. I also recall Brian Jones playing the instrument on You Got Silver.

Breathe In, Leave Out is such an amazing song, I now like it equally as Bhranthan, even despite your sorrowful performance & some suicidal-type of lyrics. I don't know, that's how I understood them. Hope that I'm wrong. Anyway, glad to hear you want to record the better v-ns of the said songs. I think that's because your voice wasn't in a good condition. Not that you sang badly or what, sometimes it seemed that some of the high notes weren't of your vocal range. But it's a scientific fact that if someone regularly trains their voice, once they can achieve good results. If you ever was in choir, you must know that before the actual singing, they do the training by singing silly words, transitioning from one key to the next. Sth. like "me-ma-mu-mo-moo" etc. It really works.

When I started to attend the music school at age of 9, I sang very terribly, couldn't hit the right notes at all, but gradually I somehow got into the group of the best singers. So, if you have the keyboards at home, you can play the chords, ascending from one key to another, & create your own words & sing them. Or alternatively you can play the basic melody of any well-known song & synchronically repeat all the notes. It helps quickly noticing which of them you can't hit correctly.

I don't know if all this is helpful, but I thought I'd give some sort of advice. You can take it or leave it, of course.
All in all, thanks for your answers & that picture. Till today, I wasn't aware of what the autoharp looks like.   
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2013, 09:37:46 AM »

Breathe in Leave Out is about how time and distance can be considered the same thing due to the rotation of the earth. If you travelled back in time to six months ago, you would be in space, because the earth is on the other side of the sun. Even two hours ago the earth was in a different place than it is now.

I think I'm generally a poor singer with limited range, though I tend to sing songs better the more I get used to them, and this demo was recorded shortly after I finished writing the song. I never specifically write a melody line for the vocal part so it takes me awhile to standardize exactly what I'm singing.
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« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2013, 07:41:27 AM »

Interesting theme for the song, I'd say. There's indeed no bounds in the world of knowledge. I never heard of that thing about time & distance. Re your singing, I myself consider it good enough for performing in front of the audience, only you should work on knocking it into shape. At least, you don't sound like a heavy smoker. As for having a limited range, it's not usually a case of automatic "bad singer" labeling. Many well-known singers have only 1-1.5 octave, e.g. Billy Holiday, Johnny Cash, Neil Young or Lou Reed. But lots of people & critics still think that they are great/good singers.

And now, I visited your bandcamp page for no specific reason just to find out that you uploaded there some another record. I didn't check it yet, but shall do it soon. As I recall, you posted "If I Were Sober" already on YT. And "Everytime..." was included previously in one of your live albums. Speaking of that dedication, I hope 2012 one was good to you & further 2013 girl shall be even better. Plus, even though I don't quite familiar with you, I suspect that those 2 were guilty, because you seem like a very nice human being.

In short, thanks for the answers again. After some listens, will comment later on your newly added rec-d.
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« Reply #13 on: February 21, 2013, 10:06:49 PM »

yeah I recorded the newly-uploaded album (Drinking of You) almost a year ago in a single night but never bothered uploading it until the other day. Most of the songs are already on my live album, Drunk on Stage.

and thank you, but both of them were totally my fault. Most of the songs on Drinking of You are about how I drink too much and how that affects my relationships.
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2013, 06:54:53 AM »

Ok, now I listened to DOY quite enough to write some comments about it. Generally, the record is rather nifty, consists of interesting ideas here and there, f.ex., the use of echo effects, change of pitch from low to high and vice versa, minor-major-minor key changes, various voice imitations. Short track-by-track review:

1. Everytime I Hear Your Name – strangely enough, the song reminds me of The Beatles’ Octopus’s Garden, esp. the “I’d ask my friends to come and see…” bit. And honestly, I think you intended to sound like Ringo, i.e. sing in an unemotional & cynical way. However, that is not for what I dislike the song – the melody is a bit too sad to my ears, specifically the main guitar riff & solo. Not a good start IMO.
2. Buttered Roll – incredibly beautiful! The singing isn’t in your usual style, I’d say. It’s kinda like Lou Reed when he sings in a mellow tone of voice, e.g. in Sunday Morning or Perfect Day. Though your shouting vocals are similar to Reed’s too. Anyway, sweet performance, dig the “electronic’n’groovy” guitar twangs near the end as well.
3. If I Kissed You – another sad song, albeit not much as EIHYN. That said, the “But instead I feel like crying…” line can easily trump the whole 1st track in being poignant. Still I liked this song, my fave bit is “Spring’s arriving on valid road…”, congratulate you for coming close to Ray Davies’s voice; he seems to be one of the most difficult singers to imitate. Also, cool low-high vocal switches and the sudden ending was a good concept.
4. Late December Lament – when I 1st heard it, I thought that it’s a song of one boy-bear who misses his girl-bear while sitting on a stump & playing the guitar. I don’t know, I just totally imagine that animal. Seriously though, your extremely bass vocal makes me yawn, not in the “it’s boring” sense, surely you know what I mean.
I remember in another thread Rocker or another poster commented on some of your myspace demos that you struggled to hit bass notes & such. I dare disagree with that, I think you can hit them quite naturally, plus it fits you very well to sing like that. And yet I prefer your normal singing. Anyway, LDL is good, especially from the point when it gets slightly faster, great guitar solo with ethnic elements. Generally, it’s maybe the most folk-oriented cut of all the others on the album.
5. If I Were Sober – pleasant tune, this time you sound like a cross between Mick Jagger & Ray Davies. And possibly like some other artist I’m not aware of. Nevertheless, you have your own distinctive style & voice, sth. that belongs only to Dan Scarpa.
6. Arcadia – one of the album’s highlights. I would characterize it as “bittersweet” since melodically it’s both joyful & sad. Ironically, the saddest moment is “I think you’re sending the signals…” & crazy lalala’s. Btw, speaking of the latter, they have audible hints of psychedelia, freakish even. Anyhow, Arcadia is a great song, the echoing effects add some retro/vintage 60s feel to it. Simply amazing.

Few questions: who did the tracklisting? A composer himself or bandcamp’s mod? Also, how did you come up with those (wonderful) echoes? The last one: I recall you saying that your friends in real life don’t listen to your music (which I refuse to believe, I mean you have so many great songs, it’s nearly impossible that someone wouldn’t like at least 1 song!). And what about your siblings & folks? Do they like sth. from your catalog?
And what are your own faves - on this or other posted works? You may not answer to any of the above questions (though I don't think I asked sth. utterly difficult), except for the last, because it's very interesting to know what the musicians themselves like from their own material. Anyway, I’m jolly glad that you finally posted another nugget from your archives. Thanks, Aegir!
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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2013, 11:17:32 AM »

Yeah I did the tracklisting. If bandcamp picked didn't let you choose the tracklisting I'd have to use another website. The echo vocals are because I wanted those sections to be multi-tracked but didn't want to record another vocal so I just copied them and delayed them a second.

I play at a regular open mic night, so my friends that I know from there know some of my songs (because I play them in front of them) but that's about it. and sometimes when I'm drunk at parties I'll play songs but usually everyone goes into the other room. my parents like "Applepicking".

See, people don't like "Everytime I Hear Your Name" because it's too sad, but that's exactly what I want it to be - too sad. So if that people's main complaint then I think it was a success. In general I find it interesting you hear so many 60s vocalists in my singing... probably my biggest inspiration for singing in a lower voice to communicate sadness is Stephin Merritt from the Magnetic Fields. I think I also got a bit of inspiration from Tim Kasher (of The Good Life), he sings deep on a few of his songs too. I've always just wanted to write a sad drunken love songs album in the vein of The Good Life's "Album of the Year" or "Black Out", or Death Cab for Cutie's "Transatlanticism". Of course, my general understanding for chord progressions and melodies probably come from all the 60s music I listen to.

For the final question, I go through phases where I like different things that I've recorded... which is often why I end up recording something and not putting it on the internet until a year later. But my go-to one favorite recording of mine is "Persephone 2 & 3 (Children of Demeter)" by Black Hybrid Swan Fatigue.
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« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2013, 08:04:54 AM »

Thanks for your smart, nothing-to-add-and-cut answers! As usually, dig your laconic (but detailed all the same) style of writing.

I see that you have quite a thick skin if it makes no difference whether people listen to you or "go into the other room". After all, the 1st ever concert of young RS was attended by 6 people.

Wrt The Magnetic Fields, the only song I know by them is "The Luckiest Guy..." which was mentioned in the "Name one song you'd wish the BBs should have covered" thread. If it's Stephin Merritt on lead vocals, then I think I see some connection between your voices, though at the same time I can surely say that Merritt's voice is worse. The Good Life I hadn't even heard of them, let alone listened to them. I assume they didn't write only sad songs, because why would they give their band such a positive name, then? That'd be strange.

Death Cab for Cutie sounds like that stupid song by Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band, as if they took that name right for their group. Generally, I like discovering new artists, so I'll definitely check these groups and especially - the albums you mentioned, coz it'd be interesting to compare your music with theirs.

I'm jolly glad that your catalog doesn't consist only of sad love songs, as you said, but also has many optimistic & joyful songs, such as Back to Winter or Vanilla Island. Idk, I never had relationships but I'm very certain that mostly it's a happy feeling so I don't get why many artists write the ballads in minor key, like it's only about sadness.

You are young & it isn't noticeable now, but I think you should drink in small doses in order to keep your voice in a good condition, not losing it as Dennis Wilson. I give that advice because as I understood, the singing is your main hobby, so you must know for sure that drinking - along with other bad habits - can affect the vocal ability. So if you really want to be a good singer, just control your drinking habit, minimize it while it's not late. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2013, 08:17:08 AM »

Luckiest Guy on the Lower East Side isn't Stephin Merritt, that's Dudley Klute. I like his voice too but not as much as Stephin's. Here, check this one out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQOrLamT0n4
And all the Good Life's songs are sad, even the ones in major keys.
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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2013, 11:43:03 AM »

G’day, Dan! I recently downloaded & listened to The Good Life & Death Cab For Cutie’s records you mentioned in another post. To be honest, mostly it’s not to my musical taste. In case of the former I only liked Black Out, Early Out the Gate (minus electronic sound effects), the 1st half of New Denial; Album of the Year (which is maybe the best song I heard of the band, plus, despite its length, it’s quite catchy) & Two Years This Month (I like those various talk & song samples and a cappella is beautiful). I agree with you that all of their songs are sad, even those written in major.
In case of the latter I only liked Expo ’86 (dig the main guitar riff & the lead vocal + the darkness of the melody. Jolly cool song, all in all).

Re singing: I don’t hear any similarity between your & Tim Kasher’s voices at all. But Stephin Merritt – yes, I do hear his influence. That Magnetic Fields song you posted is splendid! I already liked “The Luckiest Guy…”, but this is even better. It’s one of those kinds of songs that make me feel happy, in spite of the singer’s downbeat vocal. I’m definitely going to check out their albums now, starting with the debut one. Btw, at 1st I couldn’t decipher the difference in Merritt’s & Klute’s voices, they sounded almost the same to me. But after attentive listens it’s clear that Stephin’s voice is lower & gentler, not so shaky. And it's really beautiful, so I like his voice more too.

Additionally, I found one wonderful Christmas Special (need to say, I like to watch Christmas spectacles/plays, despite the bad acting & this video is no exception: all the people look stoned when they gaze at you - god awful thing) where you happened to perform some carol (amazing how transition from one to another hairstyle can totally change an appearance, it’s like seeing distant relatives, not one person). Surely, it isn’t typical for the genre, but that’s okay, the song’s good anyway. My favorite moments are the gangsterish guitar strumming in the middle & the chorus. Besides I shall note that I liked those jazz renditions of Xmas standards sung by some girl. She’s got cool voice & I‘m a huge fan of jazz music.
Anyhow, the question is – what’s the title of the song, or is it untitled? Did you write & perform it specifically for that day or you sing it every year at every Christmas party, with possible encores?

Another notable question I often forget to ask, how many guitars exactly do you own? I’ve counted 2 – sand- & wine-colored. Also, have you ever played the electric guitar or you prefer only acoustic? I’m just very interested in knowing it since I’m kind of a musician too.

The last, non-musical question. I noticed in the video that you wore a watch in your right hand. Are you left-handed? Thanks in advance for the answers. I enjoy reading them.

[One collective request – feel free to post more in other threads, we need your fair & clever thoughts. I remember the times when you posted like 5 posts a day. Though of course, we all understand that you may be currently busy due to recording your stuff & so on, so you don’t have enough time now.]
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