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« Reply #525 on: February 15, 2012, 04:37:04 AM »

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« Reply #526 on: February 15, 2012, 07:46:57 AM »

I'll see your Fender Esquire, and raise you a Casino and a Selmer Zodiac amp... Grin LOL
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« Reply #527 on: February 15, 2012, 07:56:39 AM »

Oh my... Grin

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« Reply #528 on: February 15, 2012, 08:17:02 AM »

WOW Great pics, GF!

thanks for posting!
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« Reply #529 on: February 15, 2012, 09:07:26 AM »

If it adds to the discussion, I can list which guitars and amps McCartney used for some of those solos, specifically the ones from the Pepper album. Fixing A Hole in particular was Paul playing through a very small, low-wattage "El Pico" amplifier that he had bought way back in Liverpool before the Beatles became famous, and that's why his solo has such an odd guitar tone. Good Morning is definitely Paul, he used the same Indian flavor he used on Taxman, and it was either that same Epiphone Casino or the Fender Esquire he's pictured playing in several pepper studio photos.

The Pepper/Pepper reprise is Paul doing lead, and you can actually hear the bare guitar tracks isolated on those Pepper 4-track mixes that leaked awhile back.

Some of the info I posted came from interviews he gave with Guitar Player and articles in Guitar World magazine, and the books "Beatles Gear" and Geoff Emerick's "Recording The Beatles".

It's all very, very fun to read through - a lot of that info on who-played-what was a revelation for me, as I always assumed certain Beatles played certain parts on those records.

The two that *are* the big questions/unknowns which haven't been proven 100% are who played the guitar harmonies on "And Your Bird Can Sing" (no one remembers exactly to this day) and "Hey Bulldog" (I and others hear John, others hear George - both are shown on film playing the red Gibson SG, so who knows...)
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ha ha, well yes GF, of course I do read your posts; they are all very excellent, and so you will have to pardon my little "quibbles".

The Geoff Emerick book is titled "Here There and Everywhere".  It's an interesting read, but I come away from it feeling that he very much disrespects, extremely, George H. as a song writer and a musician, so the book is somewhat spoiled for me by his obvious bias, which I find really strange.  But for this, the book is a good read.  But, even Emerick's memory has been demonstarted to be NOT 100%, compared with other reading I've done, so, I am just saying, take it with a grain of salt.  You can't trust that book, every time.  This is just my opinion, based on other reading.

You also referred to a book called "Recording the Beatles", and I'm assuming you meant the one by Kevin Ryan and Brian Kehew, and yes, true, THAT is one of the best, if not the VERY VERY best out there.  Well, one day I'll have enough dough to buy it.

Also, by the way, Macca himself has commented in fairly recent interviews that the harmonizing guitar parts in And Your Bird Can Sing were, indeed, by him and George.  If I can find this I'll post it, somewhere.

So, question to anyone, is there a BEACH BOYS related book, comparable to the above, that goes into detailed recording sessions?  Thanks for any help.

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« Reply #530 on: February 15, 2012, 01:19:00 PM »

Thanks for chiming in again, guitarfool.  I appreciate the support Smiley

No offense meant heysaboda, but like the man said, the information IS out there.

And speaking of Paul (I swear tho, I'm digging the horse's grave right now), I've often wondered if "Hey Bulldog" couldn't be him as well.  After all, on some of the songs we've mentioned, John and/or George played the rhythm guitar part and (guitar-wise) Paul only contributed the overdubbed solo.  That and the fact that the video is only a partial reconstruction of the session could explain why we don't see him playing guitar in it.  The solo certainly has his style of "attack" but I've never been able to convince myself 100% because the higher notes do sound a bit like George's playing.  I never thought that it might be John.  I guess that's something to mull over Smiley

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ha ha Phoenix, no offense taken, of course!  Good discussion!  Perhaps someone will say some nice words about the horse!

By the way, in Emerick's book, on page 165, he writes that George did the solo on Fixing a Hole, so there you go!

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« Reply #531 on: February 28, 2012, 05:52:15 PM »

I must say, I dug Mark Foster's falsetto when he was going "GOOOooood night, ooh baby".
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« Reply #532 on: March 27, 2012, 04:59:26 PM »

A little video about the mixing of the show...featuring our very own Mark L.

http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=12012
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« Reply #533 on: February 12, 2017, 06:36:46 AM »

With the Grammy awards happening tonight, I'm bumping this thread to mark how it was 5 years to the day when the Beach Boys appeared and performed on the Grammy award broadcast, and a group of us here who were watching started posting rolling commentary on the show and then the performance...and all related stuff. It's not the night of the RFH Smile premiere concert, but it was still pretty fun that night waiting for the band to appear. Those who weren't here 5 years ago can relive one of the higher-profile reunion/C50 moments from 2012 as it played out here. There are a few other discussions about the show with commentary as well, just check the archives around the Feb 2012 date and you'll see them.

5 years ago to the day - Hard to believe. Seems like a different era in some ways.
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« Reply #534 on: February 12, 2017, 10:45:57 AM »

5 years reminds me of this in some ways about those changes: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vUgs2O7Okqc
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« Reply #535 on: February 12, 2017, 10:53:34 AM »

That clip from Fear And Loathing nails it, and not just what Thompson is looking back on. 5 years, the high water mark. Of course with the C50, there was also a feeling that the wave was going to crest - it had to given all the elements involved - and reading some of the old discussions before during and after the whole thing, it felt like people were wondering when and how it was going to break and roll back to the sea, as if the moment was impossible enough let alone able to be sustained. And look what happened Fall 2012, the tour wasn't even over and in the books before it wiped out in dramatic and public fashion.

But we still had the excitement of things like the Grammy telecast, Fallon, Charlie Rose, whoever was fortunate enough to see the tour, and whatever memories exist on video to relive the good stuff as well as reminders of all the bullshit that put the "set end date" firmly in stone.

5 Years seems longer than it really is, you know?
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« Reply #536 on: February 12, 2017, 10:59:21 AM »

The SS board was wonderful with everybody so damn happy and new people constantly joining due to buzz about the tour. Even the most hardened fans were excited to the point of (temporary) new respect for Mike Love and his frontman role. Then the wave broke and rolled back. Smiley
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« Reply #537 on: February 12, 2017, 11:08:35 AM »

There were still issues, before and after, of course no sea voyage is without the expected storms and rough waters...but a lot of the completely nonsensical if not militant attempts at damage-control and attempted history rewrites that have infected the community of fans at large since Fall 2012 seems to have either come from or got awoken by what transpired and trying to spin events and attitudes in certain ways. Protecting the brand and trying to whitewash and remove anything critical surrounding that brand name to the point of taking out fans on these boards who didn't toe the line somehow got connected to that atmosphere whereas in the past, a lot of it was the usual inter-personal squabbles and dust-ups that come and go.

The band who was on stage in 2012 has been and is the most honest representation to the public at large of the "Beach Boys", after the fact that two original members and Wilson brothers are deceased.
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« Reply #538 on: February 12, 2017, 08:51:13 PM »

Here's John Legend and Cynthia Erivo singing God Only Knows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R7kPZF8wRA

The version they performed on the show was shorter, piano only, and split in half. Hopefully this will raise awareness about the song and the Beach Boys.
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« Reply #539 on: February 12, 2017, 09:14:06 PM »

Thanks for posting that, looks like Legend got that studio version up on his VEVO/YouTube tonight to capitalize on people hearing the broadcast. I hope it exposes more people to the song, as you said!
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