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« Reply #500 on: February 14, 2012, 08:24:04 AM »

Misc. observation: Anybody else notice Joe Walsh throwing a little James Gang "Walk Away" into the guitar solo extravaganza? 

Yep, caught that.

Walsh also threw in the discordant/angular/'out' phrase that he famously used in the solo he played for Don Henley's "Dirty Laundry". It's a neat guitar phrase, totally out of key, but Walsh makes it work. Skunk Baxter had a similar odd phrase he'd throw in to solos every so often. Must have been the era...

Didn't Jimmy Page also use that lick in The Firm's "Radioactive"?
Yep, or something very similar.
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« Reply #501 on: February 14, 2012, 08:38:43 AM »

Yep, I noticed Joe's little 'Walk Away' riff too.  The guy's great, I tells ya!  Especially when he makes those faces  Grin

Ordinary average guy.  Picks up the dog doo, hopes that it's hard.

Wonder how Walsh and Paul got together.  Was it Paul's idea, or were they paired together by the Grammy staff?
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« Reply #502 on: February 14, 2012, 10:21:33 AM »

Wow...did I just walk into a sports bar mid NFL game? Is this a Rush message board? I'm waiting for an Yngwie Malmstein reference. If Steve Vai had been there he would have kicked everybody's butt...who gives a rat's nut sack? This isn't the rock and roll olympics...no medals are given out. Anybody who thinks Springteen is supposed to be a technically gifted guitar player and that its somehow noteworthy that McCartney can play a  better solo must have not seen the last several decades of Bruce playing his obligatory Duane Eddy turtle paced five note runs which are all his song's require, while McCartney has given the world some of the tastiest melodic guitar moments in rock history. Was Bruce the favorite going into this knife fight? I think not. Should we remind everyone that Dweezil Zappa can probably play faster and cleaner than Hubert Sumlin? He could smoke him, roll him, toast him...is that important? I bet Bruce could bench more weight than Paul...should we take that into account? Is this a soccer riot or a BB's message board? Bruce can't jam, Paul can...they both have done pretty well with their lives. I doubt they were taking it all that seriously, just having some silly, loose fun. Nothing takes the fun out of a rock and roll party more than a hard a*s keeping score.

Hi Jon;
  Since you called me a hard ass, i'm going to go hard like a motherf*cker on you. 

The whole point of it (which I guess you can't comprehend) is I'm asking, pleading "what does bruce DO" who the hell is he?  He opened and closed the show, and he sucks.  Period.  I find out while they're playing "The End" that Bruce Springsteen can't even play guitar right. 

So the whole point is, I'm trying to find out why Jon Stebbins is such a big fan of someone with obviously so little talent. 
That wasn't all that hard. I guess you've made it very clear that YOU don't like Bruce Springsteen. Got it. Everybody else got it? OK...we got it. I didn't realize the whole point of all of this is to find out why I'm "such a big fan" of Mr. Springsteen. But since you put it that way, here's the truth...I absolutely loved the "Born To Run" LP when it came out in '75. I was in high school then, and BTR was a very "alternative" sound compared to what most people were listening to, Zep, Sabbath, Doobies etc...I was a fan of sixties rock mainly, Beatles, Stones, Beach Boys...I saw Born To Run as a throwback to Phil Sector, Girl Groups, and even Brian Wilson in its attitude, feel and especially the dramatic productions, with the saxes, reverbed guitar, glockenspiel, drum fills...it has a definite late '50's - early '60's vibe, but it still was progressive enough to sound modern in 1975. I fell in love with that record and i still love most of it. I liked Darkness On The Edge Of Town too but I never bought a copy, just heard it at a lot at friends houses and stuff. I went and saw Bruce on the River tour, i guess that was 1980 or so, he was great, but i was in an uncomfortable situation with a girl at that show so i was distracted big time. That's the only time I went to see Bruce until 2009 in New Jersey at Giants Stadium...that was an incredible party...I had a great time, although my California being felt a little like an alien in that culture, it was a spectacle. I'm glad i got to see that. Watching a stadium full of fans, who knew every word to every song, all doing the same hand motions etc...it almost seemed like one of those Nazi rally films from pre-WWII. That guy has intense devotion from his fan base for sure. So, for the 37 years I've been a fan of Born To Run I've seen Bruce twice. Don't think that qualifies me as one of his bigger fans. But I respect him, and things like Thunder Road, Born To Run, She's The One, Badlands, Prove It All Night, Hungry Heart and a bunch more are classics. He probably wouldn't make my top ten or top twenty favorite artists...but if he's in someone else's top five i can't say that's such a bad choice, the guy has done some great things in my opinion.
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« Reply #503 on: February 14, 2012, 11:09:45 AM »


I was with you on many observations on these recent pages, but that last statement...here's a short list of McCartney's lead guitar credits:

Blackbird
Another Girl
Taxman
Fixing A Hole
Good Morning Good Morning
Back In The USSR
Maybe I'm Amazed
Drive My Car
Sgt. Pepper/Pepper Reprise
The End (1st solos of the 3)
Ticket To Ride

That's a pretty hefty resume for any guitarist! Grin All of those were McCartney playing lead.


Let's not forget "Let Me Roll It", the awesome  leads on "It's All Too Much" and the more than just average strummed acoustic parts on "Yesterday" and "I've Just Seen A Face", to name just a few more.   Grin

40-45  years later, I did not know that Paul played lead guitar on all those on that list. I'm Amazed.  No Maybe about it.
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« Reply #504 on: February 14, 2012, 11:45:06 AM »

Beach Boys top the list for the 'best' of the grammies in this story. F*ck me......They are hot!


The Best:

The Beach Boys reunion: Sure, the aging band might not legitimately be called “boys” anymore. Yet the newly reformed group showed they could still deliver tight harmonies, and listening to the fragile Brian Wilson croon his solo parts tugged at the heartstrings. The enthusiastic crowd reaction proved that “Good Vibrations” still resonates with the young and old.


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« Reply #505 on: February 14, 2012, 01:40:40 PM »

I was with you on many observations on these recent pages, but that last statement...here's a short list of McCartney's lead guitar credits:

Blackbird
Another Girl
Taxman
Fixing A Hole
Good Morning Good Morning
Back In The USSR
Maybe I'm Amazed
Drive My Car
Sgt. Pepper/Pepper Reprise
The End (1st solos of the 3)
Ticket To Ride

That's a pretty hefty resume for any guitarist! Grin All of those were McCartney playing lead.

By the say, GF, there is no documentary evidence as to whether Paul or George played lead on these songs: Fixing A Hole,
Good Morning Good Morning, Back In The USSR, Drive My Car, or Sgt. Pepper/Pepper Reprise.

Paul, of course, played drums on Back in the USSR, and so possibly didn't play lead there.

But, nevertheless, your general observation stands!  Good point.

and now, back to the Grammys!!


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« Reply #506 on: February 14, 2012, 02:48:14 PM »

I was with you on many observations on these recent pages, but that last statement...here's a short list of McCartney's lead guitar credits:

Blackbird
Another Girl
Taxman
Fixing A Hole
Good Morning Good Morning
Back In The USSR
Maybe I'm Amazed
Drive My Car
Sgt. Pepper/Pepper Reprise
The End (1st solos of the 3)
Ticket To Ride

That's a pretty hefty resume for any guitarist! Grin All of those were McCartney playing lead.

By the say, GF, there is no documentary evidence as to whether Paul or George played lead on these songs: Fixing A Hole,
Good Morning Good Morning, Back In The USSR, Drive My Car, or Sgt. Pepper/Pepper Reprise.

Paul, of course, played drums on Back in the USSR, and so possibly didn't play lead there.

But, nevertheless, your general observation stands!  Good point.

and now, back to the Grammys!!




His playing on most of those songs is fairly common knowledge amongst those who care about that kind of stuff.  Adding another (of many), he also played the lead parts on "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" (in addition to the reprise) too  Smiley   George had the edge on rockabilly and (especially) slide but no one in that band held a candle to Paul when it came to really rockin' guitar stuff like "Tax Man" etc.  

I don't mean to beat a dead horse.  I'm just trying to do my part to erase the rumor that John (whom I love nearly as much as Paul and Brian) or George were the "real" talents and "all Paul did was write the sappy ballads."   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #507 on: February 14, 2012, 03:13:12 PM »

I was with you on many observations on these recent pages, but that last statement...here's a short list of McCartney's lead guitar credits:

Blackbird
Another Girl
Taxman
Fixing A Hole
Good Morning Good Morning
Back In The USSR
Maybe I'm Amazed
Drive My Car
Sgt. Pepper/Pepper Reprise
The End (1st solos of the 3)
Ticket To Ride

That's a pretty hefty resume for any guitarist! Grin All of those were McCartney playing lead.

By the say, GF, there is no documentary evidence as to whether Paul or George played lead on these songs: Fixing A Hole,
Good Morning Good Morning, Back In The USSR, Drive My Car, or Sgt. Pepper/Pepper Reprise.

Paul, of course, played drums on Back in the USSR, and so possibly didn't play lead there.

But, nevertheless, your general observation stands!  Good point.

and now, back to the Grammys!!




If it adds to the discussion, I can list which guitars and amps McCartney used for some of those solos, specifically the ones from the Pepper album. Fixing A Hole in particular was Paul playing through a very small, low-wattage "El Pico" amplifier that he had bought way back in Liverpool before the Beatles became famous, and that's why his solo has such an odd guitar tone. Good Morning is definitely Paul, he used the same Indian flavor he used on Taxman, and it was either that same Epiphone Casino or the Fender Esquire he's pictured playing in several pepper studio photos.

The Pepper/Pepper reprise is Paul doing lead, and you can actually hear the bare guitar tracks isolated on those Pepper 4-track mixes that leaked awhile back.

Some of the info I posted came from interviews he gave with Guitar Player and articles in Guitar World magazine, and the books "Beatles Gear" and Geoff Emerick's "Recording The Beatles".

It's all very, very fun to read through - a lot of that info on who-played-what was a revelation for me, as I always assumed certain Beatles played certain parts on those records.

The two that *are* the big questions/unknowns which haven't been proven 100% are who played the guitar harmonies on "And Your Bird Can Sing" (no one remembers exactly to this day) and "Hey Bulldog" (I and others hear John, others hear George - both are shown on film playing the red Gibson SG, so who knows...)

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« Reply #508 on: February 14, 2012, 03:34:32 PM »

By the say, GF, there is no documentary evidence as to whether Paul or George played lead on these songs: Fixing A Hole,
Good Morning Good Morning, Back In The USSR, Drive My Car, or Sgt. Pepper/Pepper Reprise.

Paul, of course, played drums on Back in the USSR, and so possibly didn't play lead there.

But, nevertheless, your general observation stands!  Good point.

and now, back to the Grammys!!
His playing on most of those songs is fairly common knowledge amongst those who care about that kind of stuff.  Adding another (of many), he also played the lead parts on "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" (in addition to the reprise) too  Smiley   George had the edge on rockabilly and (especially) slide but no one in that band held a candle to Paul when it came to really rockin' guitar stuff like "Tax Man" etc.  

I don't mean to beat a dead horse.  I'm just trying to do my part to erase the rumor that John (whom I love nearly as much as Paul and Brian) or George were the "real" talents and "all Paul did was write the sappy ballads."   Roll Eyes

I guess the horse is officially dead now, but, no, you are just incorrect about "common knowledge".

Some of these songs it's confirmed, often by album liner notes, that Paul played lead: Blackbird of course being a solo, Another Girl, Taxman, Maybe I'm Amazed (his solo LP of course), Ticket to Ride, of course The End (1st solos of the 3).

On these other songs, among people who know, not people here by the way, there is a quite lively discussion about who played lead: Back In The USSR Fixing A Hole, Good Morning Good Morning, Back In The USSR, Drive My Car, or Sgt. Pepper/Pepper Reprise.  It's in no way "common knowledge".

However, of course, I agree with your final point about Paul, the man is freakishly talented.

Where shall we bury the horse LOL?

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« Reply #509 on: February 14, 2012, 04:03:24 PM »

There are resources to consult if you want in-depth info on Beatles sessions: Mark Lewisohn's sessionography (out of print, I think) Ian MacDonald's Revolution in the Head (which references the former, and is in print), even Geoff Emerick has a book out I think.  So maybe not "common knowledge", but neither is it pure up-for-grabs speculation; plenty of reportage exists on who played what.
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« Reply #510 on: February 14, 2012, 05:32:43 PM »

I'm surprised that I was as accepting of the abbreviated version of "Good Vibrations" as I was when I watched it last night.  It actually was a great way to go right into the song, getting the crowd energized for it.  Sure it would have been great to do the whole song...but after that buildup by Seacrest...the opening to GV might have taken longer to get the crowd going.   

If we have to stomach Nicki Minaj's trainwreck "performance", I'm sure we could sit through the opening chords to "Good Vibrations". 
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« Reply #511 on: February 14, 2012, 05:37:28 PM »

I'm surprised that I was as accepting of the abbreviated version of "Good Vibrations" as I was when I watched it last night.  It actually was a great way to go right into the song, getting the crowd energized for it.  Sure it would have been great to do the whole song...but after that buildup by Seacrest...the opening to GV might have taken longer to get the crowd going.   

If we have to stomach Nicki Minaj's trainwreck "performance", I'm sure we could sit through the opening chords to "Good Vibrations". 
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« Reply #512 on: February 14, 2012, 05:38:21 PM »


So the whole point is, I'm trying to find out why Jon Stebbins is such a big fan of someone with obviously so little talent. 

Here's a snippet from his biography on allmusic.com:

"In the decades following his emergence on the national scene in 1975, Bruce Springsteen proved to be that rarity among popular musicians, an artist who maintained his status as a frontline recording and performing star, consistently selling millions of albums and selling out arenas and stadiums around the world year after year, as well as retaining widespread critical approbation, with ecstatic reviews greeting those discs and shows. Although there were a few speed bumps along the way in Springsteen's career, the wonder of his nearly unbroken string of critical and commercial success is that he achieved it while periodically challenging his listeners by going off in unexpected directions, following his muse even when that meant altering the sound of his music or the composition of his backup band, or making his lyrical message overtly political. Of course, it may have been these very sidesteps that kept his image and his music fresh, especially since he always had the fallback of returning to what his fans thought he did best, barnstorming the country with a marathon rock & roll show using his longtime bandmates."
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« Reply #513 on: February 14, 2012, 06:57:05 PM »

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are who played the guitar harmonies on "And Your Bird Can Sing"

That would have been a cool session at which to be!
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« Reply #514 on: February 14, 2012, 09:13:13 PM »

By the say, GF, there is no documentary evidence as to whether Paul or George played lead on these songs: Fixing A Hole,
Good Morning Good Morning, Back In The USSR, Drive My Car, or Sgt. Pepper/Pepper Reprise.

Paul, of course, played drums on Back in the USSR, and so possibly didn't play lead there.

But, nevertheless, your general observation stands!  Good point.

and now, back to the Grammys!!
His playing on most of those songs is fairly common knowledge amongst those who care about that kind of stuff.  Adding another (of many), he also played the lead parts on "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" (in addition to the reprise) too  Smiley   George had the edge on rockabilly and (especially) slide but no one in that band held a candle to Paul when it came to really rockin' guitar stuff like "Tax Man" etc.  

I don't mean to beat a dead horse.  I'm just trying to do my part to erase the rumor that John (whom I love nearly as much as Paul and Brian) or George were the "real" talents and "all Paul did was write the sappy ballads."   Roll Eyes

I guess the horse is officially dead now, but, no, you are just incorrect about "common knowledge".

Some of these songs it's confirmed, often by album liner notes, that Paul played lead: Blackbird of course being a solo, Another Girl, Taxman, Maybe I'm Amazed (his solo LP of course), Ticket to Ride, of course The End (1st solos of the 3).

On these other songs, among people who know, not people here by the way, there is a quite lively discussion about who played lead: Back In The USSR Fixing A Hole, Good Morning Good Morning, Back In The USSR, Drive My Car, or Sgt. Pepper/Pepper Reprise.  It's in no way "common knowledge".

However, of course, I agree with your final point about Paul, the man is freakishly talented.

Where shall we bury the horse LOL?

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Just read my post before burying it. Grin

There is a photo of Paul with a Fender Esquire and his Epiphone Casino leaning against a Selmer amp during Pepper - some say the session he eventually tracked his lead guitar on Good Morning. No doubt Paul played that one, no discussion necessary, it's 100%.

Back In The USSR - George played 4-string bass, John played a Fender Bass VI, Paul played lead guitar and piano. There is talk all three Beatles minus Ringo contributed some drums on this track, with Paul's being the most prominent. Again, all but confirmed.

Fixing A Hole - confusing to a point. Paul played two lead guitar tracks through his small "El Pico" or "Elpico" amplifier. Some say George did the solo on a Stratocaster. It could be both, but when you have Paul and others saying the specific amp used on the session, that's a lock...whether it was "lead guitar" or "guitar solo", Paul played through that amp. John played bass on this track, which is why it's a very simple bass line, very non-Paul.

Sgt Pepper - John originally played bass because Paul wanted to play guitar, he wanted a specific part and he knew it better than having to teach George. John's bass didn't cut it, so Paul later recorded a replacement. And he also eventually played lead himself, instead of George. George's style comes in during the crossfade to With A Little Help, playing that little descending riff. The Reprise - little cloudy, as it was cut live on the studio floor with all four playing at the same time. Not sure on overdubs, will check on that.

Drive My Car - Paul playing slide guitar. Confirmed in several sources.

Note: Some of these cases of Paul playing lead caused some tension between Paul and George at the time.

even Geoff Emerick has a book out I think

I referenced his book by name in my post above as well, unless it's just being ignored, it's called "Recording The Beatles" and it's a fantastic read. Highly recommended.

Hopefully that cleared things up.



And yeah, I think Nicki Minaj's performance was a travesty and pretty much unwatchable/listenable. I'm not an entertainment reporter or an Associated Press reporter so I can say that publicly.  Cheesy

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« Reply #515 on: February 14, 2012, 10:36:18 PM »

I was with you on many observations on these recent pages, but that last statement...here's a short list of McCartney's lead guitar credits:

Blackbird
Another Girl
Taxman
Fixing A Hole
Good Morning Good Morning
Back In The USSR
Maybe I'm Amazed
Drive My Car
Sgt. Pepper/Pepper Reprise
The End (1st solos of the 3)
Ticket To Ride

That's a pretty hefty resume for any guitarist! Grin All of those were McCartney playing lead.

By the say, GF, there is no documentary evidence as to whether Paul or George played lead on these songs: Fixing A Hole,
Good Morning Good Morning, Back In The USSR, Drive My Car, or Sgt. Pepper/Pepper Reprise.

Paul, of course, played drums on Back in the USSR, and so possibly didn't play lead there.

But, nevertheless, your general observation stands!  Good point.

and now, back to the Grammys!!




His playing on most of those songs is fairly common knowledge amongst those who care about that kind of stuff.  Adding another (of many), he also played the lead parts on "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" (in addition to the reprise) too  Smiley   George had the edge on rockabilly and (especially) slide but no one in that band held a candle to Paul when it came to really rockin' guitar stuff like "Tax Man" etc.  

I don't mean to beat a dead horse.  I'm just trying to do my part to erase the rumor that John (whom I love nearly as much as Paul and Brian) or George were the "real" talents and "all Paul did was write the sappy ballads."   Roll Eyes

"Helter Skelter" was no sappy ballad.  McCartney has always been one of my favorites; and the fact that he keeps going (and pulling it off) is very impressive.  The only real period where he really wimped out was with Wings.  Never cared for this "other band".  However his best songs from that period sound light years better when he's performing them live.  He has played "Let Me Roll It" to death for the last 10 years, but that song *never* gets old for me, and his touring band plays the hell out of it.  :-)
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« Reply #516 on: February 14, 2012, 10:37:34 PM »

I was with you on many observations on these recent pages, but that last statement...here's a short list of McCartney's lead guitar credits:

Blackbird
Another Girl
Taxman
Fixing A Hole
Good Morning Good Morning
Back In The USSR
Maybe I'm Amazed
Drive My Car
Sgt. Pepper/Pepper Reprise
The End (1st solos of the 3)
Ticket To Ride

That's a pretty hefty resume for any guitarist! Grin All of those were McCartney playing lead.

By the say, GF, there is no documentary evidence as to whether Paul or George played lead on these songs: Fixing A Hole,
Good Morning Good Morning, Back In The USSR, Drive My Car, or Sgt. Pepper/Pepper Reprise.

Paul, of course, played drums on Back in the USSR, and so possibly didn't play lead there.

But, nevertheless, your general observation stands!  Good point.

and now, back to the Grammys!!




His playing on most of those songs is fairly common knowledge amongst those who care about that kind of stuff.  Adding another (of many), he also played the lead parts on "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" (in addition to the reprise) too  Smiley   George had the edge on rockabilly and (especially) slide but no one in that band held a candle to Paul when it came to really rockin' guitar stuff like "Tax Man" etc.  

I don't mean to beat a dead horse.  I'm just trying to do my part to erase the rumor that John (whom I love nearly as much as Paul and Brian) or George were the "real" talents and "all Paul did was write the sappy ballads."   Roll Eyes

"Helter Skelter" was no sappy ballad.  McCartney has always been one of my favorites; and the fact that he keeps going (and pulling it off) is very impressive.  The only real period where he really wimped out was with Wings.  Never cared for this "other band".  However his best songs from that period sound light years better when he's performing them live.  He has played "Let Me Roll It" to death for the last 10 years, but that song *never* gets old for me, and his touring band plays the hell out of it.  :-)
i always wanted to give the wings a chance Smiley mainly because they will always be over shadowed by his "other band" lol
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« Reply #517 on: February 14, 2012, 10:41:37 PM »

Thanks for chiming in again, guitarfool.  I appreciate the support Smiley

No offense meant heysaboda, but like the man said, the information IS out there.


And speaking of Paul (I swear tho, I'm digging the horse's grave right now), I've often wondered if "Hey Bulldog" couldn't be him as well.  After all, on some of the songs we've mentioned, John and/or George played the rhythm guitar part and (guitar-wise) Paul only contributed the overdubbed solo.  That and the fact that the video is only a partial reconstruction of the session could explain why we don't see him playing guitar in it.  The solo certainly has his style of "attack" but I've never been able to convince myself 100% because the higher notes do sound a bit like George's playing.  I never thought that it might be John.  I guess that's something to mull over Smiley

Again, sorry about the horse.  I think they're lowering him in now Smiley
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« Reply #518 on: February 14, 2012, 10:42:28 PM »

I think McCartney's biggest mistake with Wings was trying to make it a collaborative effort.  Like anyone gave a crap what Denny Laine had to say.   LOL  Had McCartney just billed them as his backing band, they probably would have gotten a little more respect.  
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« Reply #519 on: February 14, 2012, 10:44:25 PM »


And speaking of Paul (I swear tho, I'm digging the horse's grave right now), I've often wondered if "Hey Bulldog" couldn't be him as well.  After all, on some of the songs we've mentioned, John and/or George played the rhythm guitar part and (guitar-wise) Paul only contributed the overdubbed solo.  That and the fact that the video is only a partial reconstruction of the session could explain why we don't see him playing guitar in it.  The solo certainly has his style of "attack" but I've never been able to convince myself 100% because the higher notes do sound a bit like George's playing.  I never thought that it might be John.  I guess that's something to mull over Smiley


Harrison played the guitar solo in "Hey Bulldog".  McCartney did the dog barking sounds.  :-)
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« Reply #520 on: February 14, 2012, 10:57:24 PM »

I worked in music retail (recordings, not instruments) for years.  At one point while playing yet another Wings CD, an employee asked if I liked them more than the Beatles.  I replied in the negative (of course) but felt that they get enough press and I tried to keep his later band in the public's consciousness as much as I could.  

As for wimpy, it's a bit of a myth/illusion.  They were (not surprisingly) a LOT like the Beatles  in terms of style: They're stuff was all over the place.  The difference is, the Beatles' album cuts are way more popular than most of Wings.  Check out stuff like "So Glad To See You Here", "Soily", "Rock Show", "Beware My Love", "Old Siam Sir", "Cafe On The Left Bank", etc. (especially the live versions).

The main reason Wings gets a bad/wimpy rap is he (figuratively) released the London Town and Back To The Egg in the wrong order.  I know first hand many people were incredibly disappointed that the very mellow and very Beatle-y London Town was released as the follow up to the VERY rockin' Wings Over America.  Only later did fans not still holding grudges admit that most of it is top notch Paul, but the difference between it and WOA was too much to take at the time.

Conversely, Back To The Egg tanked at the time and everyone accused Paul of trying to cash in on the "punk craze" of the early 80's when all he was doing was delivering an album more in line of what fans said they wanted instead of London Town.  Damned if ya do...

Of course the main reason Wings paled Paul's old band was quality control stopped with him.  He had no John, Ringo, or (either) George to offer any sort of criticism (constructive or otherwise).  On top of that Wings's entire output suffered from "White Album syndrome": Paul had to deliver a full album's worth of songs each time, rather than a little less than half.  And I assure you if you took the best less-than-a-half of every Wings album, most of his "clunkers" would have never seen the light of day. Smiley
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« Reply #521 on: February 14, 2012, 11:21:37 PM »


And speaking of Paul (I swear tho, I'm digging the horse's grave right now), I've often wondered if "Hey Bulldog" couldn't be him as well.  After all, on some of the songs we've mentioned, John and/or George played the rhythm guitar part and (guitar-wise) Paul only contributed the overdubbed solo.  That and the fact that the video is only a partial reconstruction of the session could explain why we don't see him playing guitar in it.  The solo certainly has his style of "attack" but I've never been able to convince myself 100% because the higher notes do sound a bit like George's playing.  I never thought that it might be John.  I guess that's something to mull over Smiley


Harrison played the guitar solo in "Hey Bulldog".  McCartney did the dog barking sounds.  :-)

I'm voting John on this one, and guitarist Elliot Easton from The Cars among others backed that up...the style of playing, especially the one specific run where notes are tremolo-picked with pure abandon, is something you'd hear from John more than George, and some of that came out later in a similar way on some of the Plastic Ono guitar tracks he did with Yoko.  Not to mention the end of the electric "Revolution" where John ends the track with similar tremolo-picked notes high up the neck. Paul's bassline on Bulldog is amazing, I doubt it's Paul on guitar. I think George played one of the main riffs, along with John, and John took the solo.

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« Reply #522 on: February 14, 2012, 11:31:14 PM »

And note: I'm adding that Geoff Emerick in his book says George played the Bulldog solo, and I always give him more weight than other sources...but in this case, it just sounds more like John's reckless guitar style to my ears. Sorry Geoff. Grin
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« Reply #523 on: February 14, 2012, 11:33:55 PM »

If people are still going on about Macca vs. Bruce...  it's worth pointing out that Paul's been playing lead on "The End" at pretty much every single gig he's done for the past twenty years.  If he weren't way better than Springsteen or any of the others at it, something would be really odd!

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« Reply #524 on: February 15, 2012, 03:40:06 AM »

Does anyone have a "copy" of the One-to-One backstage Grammys interview with the full BB lineup? Please could you PM it to me if so, I've viewed it online only at the Grammys website so just after a copy of my own...
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