The Beach Boys and Ronald Reagan???

[Bean Bag]

The Tea Party movement from the beginning has been under control of concentrated power and wealth. The Occupy Wall Street movement is grassroots but it's not a political party you can vote for. It is however a real step in the right direction if any real change is going to happen in the U.S.

You know how when you're facing somebody -- their right hand is on your left?  I think that's what going on here.  Whoever dressed you this morning put your right shoe on the left foot.  And the left shoe, on the right foot. 

[Chocolate Shake Man]

The Tea Party movement from the beginning has been under control of concentrated power and wealth. The Occupy Wall Street movement is grassroots but it's not a political party you can vote for. It is however a real step in the right direction if any real change is going to happen in the U.S.

You know how when you're facing somebody -- their right hand is on your left?  I think that's what going on here.  Whoever dressed you this morning put your right shoe on the left foot.  And the left shoe, on the right foot. 

Interested in hearing your thoughts. I'm afraid I can't answer though since you haven't addressed any of my points nor have you made any of your own.

[Bean Bag]

Secondly, it's import to use a Leftist's own language against them.  [/color]

In that case, please demonstrate where I used the term before you did...

That's impossible.  I'm ahead of you.

[guitarfool2002]

Then I'd suggest re-reading that thread where I listed not only the names but also the corporate interests and companies connected to the ad man who coined the "Occupy Wall Street" phrase as well as the man who was the first to send that phrase on Twitter. To say that man is a political activist would be an understatement, and to say he is grassroots or somehow disconnected from a larger political machine is an outright lie.

My memory is sharp on those things, I'll gladly repost to remind anyone who may have forgotten in the past month.

I remember what you wrote. Neither Ad Busters nor The Tides Foundation are funding or controlling OWS. That was a media fabrication. Yes, some figures in Ad Busters suggested some actions like Occupy, but they really had no control over it. And even if they did, Ad Busters is not a corporation, nor is it run by anyone from the corporate elite. At any rate, Occupy decisions are ultimately made in participatory meetings which are open to everyone.

Then we are at a stalemate because those statements about AdBusters, Tides, Occupy, etc. are not factual, but rather interpretations of evidence. It's all about the funding, and if a name like George Soros is not mentioned as swiftly as the name Koch, it is not 100% factually correct or honest in presenting the facts from either side.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Then we are at a stalemate because those statements about AdBusters, Tides, Occupy, etc. are not factual, but rather interpretations of evidence. It's all about the funding, and if a name like George Soros is not mentioned as swiftly as the name Koch, it is not 100% factually correct or honest in presenting the facts from either side.

Yes, but one can interpret evidence correctly or incorrectly. In reality, there is zero connection between George Soros and the Occupy movement. That was uncontroversially a fabrication:

http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/10/13/on-george-soros-occupy-wall-street-and-reuters/

[GreatUrduPoet]

Then we are at a stalemate because those statements about AdBusters, Tides, Occupy, etc. are not factual, but rather interpretations of evidence. It's all about the funding, and if a name like George Soros is not mentioned as swiftly as the name Koch, it is not 100% factually correct or honest in presenting the facts from either side.

Yes, but one can interpret evidence correctly or incorrectly. In reality, there is zero connection between George Soros and the Occupy movement. That was uncontroversially a fabrication:

http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2011/10/13/on-george-soros-occupy-wall-street-and-reuters/

You do work for Media Matters, right? If not, you're missing a payday.