The Beach Boys and Ronald Reagan???

[kirt]

I hate . . .  just as much as the next left-winger . . . . .

In my experience it seems to be what left-wingers do best.

Yes, because the American Right is completely open to all sorts, no matter if you're gay or poor or an immigrant or the President himself.... ah yes, what a happy, inclusive bunch. Always with a smile on their face.

Come the f*ck on.

You just proved his point.

[hypehat]

Yeah, but COME. THE. F*CK. ON. That is such a f*cking ludicrous statement. Sure, from my British perspective the American left-wing haven't got a pair of bollocks between them and are perfectly happy to play the centre of the political spectrum like unprincipled fools, but I'd rather that than Prop 8 or trying to overturn Roe Vs. Wade, or those draconian immigration laws in Arizona. Or Newt f*cking Gingrich. You dig?

TL;DR = I hate both sides of the American political spectrum because I is an poxy englishman 

[kirt]

Yeah, but COME. THE. F*CK. ON. That is such a f*cking ludicrous statement. Sure, from my British perspective the American left-wing haven't got a pair of bollocks between them and are perfectly happy to play the centre of the political spectrum like unprincipled fools, but I'd rather that than Prop 8 or trying to overturn Roe Vs. Wade, or those draconian immigration laws in Arizona. Or Newt f*cking Gingrich. You dig?

TL;DR = I hate both sides of the American political spectrum because I is an poxy englishman  

  I'd forget about American politics and worry more about what's going on in Europe and especially England ,from what I hear you're losing your country to Islamic immigrants. A lot of your and mine forefathers died fighting to defend a country you're giving away because of liberal politicians.....   Back to music.

[hypehat]

I am just going to step away from the laptop for that one.

[rab2591]

There are corporations. Corporations that control the form of energy we consume, control the media (thus control the elections), control how food is grown/created, control wars that span the globe. Don't believe that there are two sides to American politics. There aren't.

I personally don't give a sh*t. I mean, I hate the wars, the spending, but there's not much we can do about it. Get outside, enjoy the planet while you can.

PS. the Beach Boys are the greatest fucking band to grace the planet. If everyone listened to those harmonies when they woke up there'd be no wars and there'd be no bullshit politics. Nuff said

[RollPlymouthRock]

Yeah, but COME. THE. F*CK. ON. That is such a f*cking ludicrous statement. Sure, from my British perspective the American left-wing haven't got a pair of bollocks between them and are perfectly happy to play the centre of the political spectrum like unprincipled fools, but I'd rather that than Prop 8 or trying to overturn Roe Vs. Wade, or those draconian immigration laws in Arizona. Or Newt f*cking Gingrich. You dig?

TL;DR = I hate both sides of the American political spectrum because I is an poxy englishman 

  I'd forget about American politics and worry more about what's going on in Europe and especially England ,from what I hear you're losing to country to Islamic immigrants. A lot of your and mine forefathers died fighting to defend a country you're giving away because of liberal politicians.....    Back to music.

Hmm seems like Muslims make up 2.7% of the population so much for taking over. Whats the problem with islamic immigrants anyway?

[smile-holland]

I thought their friendships with John Stamos or the Captain and Tennille were cringeworthy enough ...

ehm, what's so cringeworthy about their friendships with the Captain and Tennille?

[kirt]

Yeah, but COME. THE. F*CK. ON. That is such a f*cking ludicrous statement. Sure, from my British perspective the American left-wing haven't got a pair of bollocks between them and are perfectly happy to play the centre of the political spectrum like unprincipled fools, but I'd rather that than Prop 8 or trying to overturn Roe Vs. Wade, or those draconian immigration laws in Arizona. Or Newt f*cking Gingrich. You dig?

TL;DR = I hate both sides of the American political spectrum because I is an poxy englishman 

  I'd forget about American politics and worry more about what's going on in Europe and especially England ,from what I hear you're losing to country to Islamic immigrants. A lot of your and mine forefathers died fighting to defend a country you're giving away because of liberal politicians.....    Back to music.

Hmm seems like Muslims make up 2.7% of the population so much for taking over. Whats the problem with islamic immigrants anyway?

Sharia law for one thing. And nothing if they assimilate .   I'm not going to debate what the English already know.

[hypehat]

I'm not going to debate what the English already know.

Well, you clearly know nothing about it yourself, so I think that would be for the best.

[guitarfool2002]

Such appearances are listed in 10452, and noted as not full BB shows. More are always welcomed, as is any new or updated info.

What stood out on this one was the article published the day before the rally, advertising that "The Beach Boys" were going to be there for the free show in the afternoon before the actual Bush-Quayle stump speeches. I saw that - and quick checked the gigs list, finding nothing (I assumed it was a full show like the one in 1980) - then a small blurb in other articles from a few days later reported that it was only Mike and Bruce, and they didn't even do a proper performance. They did just a few snippets of tunes or whatever, and changed the lyrics to fit the rally - according to the news report. I doubt anyone bootlegged this 

I'm wondering how many people showed up expecting a Beach Boys show that weekend in October 1988 after reading the local paper, considering a very cynical political observer like me was duped almost 24 years later into thinking it was an actual BB's gig! But it's OK to stretch the truth in politics, so all was well.

[SMiLE Brian]

Really don't understand the Sharia Law scare, both USA and UK have a christian majority.

[SMiLE Brian]

There are corporations. Corporations that control the form of energy we consume, control the media (thus control the elections), control how food is grown/created, control wars that span the globe. Don't believe that there are two sides to American politics. There aren't.

I personally don't give a sh*t. I mean, I hate the wars, the spending, but there's not much we can do about it. Get outside, enjoy the planet while you can.

PS. the Beach Boys are the greatest f*cking band to grace the planet. If everyone listened to those harmonies when they woke up there'd be no wars and there'd be no bullsh*t politics. Nuff said

The Beach Boys are America!

[rab2591]

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Sharia law scares the hell out of me personally. Getting my hands sawed off for some menial "sin", keeping women mostly out of society (not even allowing them to drive) (if a woman gets raped SHE is the one who pays for the crime), killing people for their different religious beliefs. Apparently this stuff actually happens in Middle Eastern countries. It's like a complete medieval way of thinking.

*but I've never actually been to a Middle Eastern country, so I have no idea.

[hypehat]

Not denying that. What's ludicrous is that some people think that it will somehow be implemented in the UK or USA or other western countries, and therefore we should curtail immigration.

[kirt]

Not denying that. What's ludicrous is that some people think that it will somehow be implemented in the UK or USA or other western countries, and therefore we should curtail immigration.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16522447

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7232661.stm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019547/Anjem-Choudary-Islamic-extremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html

[hypehat]

From your first article,

'Sharia has been operating in the UK, managed by locally-appointed councils, in parallel to the British legal system since 1982.

But the informal councils have no legal powers and they cannot impose any penalties.

They deal with civil cases alone, but many Muslims are choosing to voluntarily accept rulings made by the scholars.'

I see nothing wrong with this. For the reasons outlined by Rowan Williams.

And I would not wipe my arse with the Daily Mail and their standards of journalism.

[kirt]

 None are so blind as those that refuse to see....yawn

[SMiLE Brian]

Central rule of law will always prevail.

[hypehat]

None are so blind as those that refuse to see....yawn

 

[rab2591]

Not denying that. What's ludicrous is that some people think that it will somehow be implemented in the UK or USA or other western countries, and therefore we should curtail immigration.

Indeed. I just read an article (funnily enough, I swear it was from the Daily Mail haha) that said that most American muslims DON'T want Sharia law implemented here.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

I'd forget about American politics and worry more about what's going on in Europe and especially England ,from what I hear you're losing your country to Islamic immigrants. A lot of your and mine forefathers died fighting to defend a country you're giving away because of liberal politicians.....   Back to music.

Don't forget all the forefathers who themselves violently and viciously expanded all over the world and then committed what is probably the most egregious act of genocide of all time in their settlement of the "New" World. Kind of makes Sharia law "in Europe and especially England" look like a puppet show - or, maybe, just the petty and trivial issue it is compared with larger concerns of ongoing imperial domination.

[drbeachboy]

I'd forget about American politics and worry more about what's going on in Europe and especially England ,from what I hear you're losing your country to Islamic immigrants. A lot of your and mine forefathers died fighting to defend a country you're giving away because of liberal politicians.....    Back to music.

Don't forget all the forefathers who themselves violently and viciously expanded all over the world and then committed what is probably the most egregious act of genocide of all time in their settlement of the "New" World.

Not to get too picky here, but those Forefathers were subjects of Spain and Great Britain... just sayin'.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

Here's some more....

Concentration camps - Great Britain

Eugenics - USA

Most countries have a dark history they'd rather forget. And apart from Germany, most allow themselves to forget it.

[Smilin Ed H]

If Reagan were running for Republican candidate today, he wouldn't stand a chance.  He's far too liberal.  The party have sold out to religious freaks and nut jobs.

"from what I hear you're losing your country to Islamic immigrants."

Case in point.  Don't be so fucking stupid.

[guitarfool2002]

Admittedly off-topic, but the timing of this discussion of Sharia law lines up with a multiple murder case that was just decided in Canada last week. I've been following it online, it's about a man named Mohammed Shafia who was just convicted along with his 2nd wife Tooba Yahya and son of killing Tooba's three teenage daughters and his first wife in some form of an "honor killing" after he felt they had insulted him, the Islamic faith, and his family name by refusing to follow some of the tenets of Islamic law. According to Shafia, a polygamist himself, the daughters were straying from and insulting Islam by not wearing the traditional clothing like the Burka, dating too much, and in general taking an approach to life that was too Western. And his first wife was killed with the teenage daughters because he felt she was the one encouraging the girls.

It's an interesting case, touching on Sharia law, the assimilation of Muslim immigrants into Western societies and cultures, the battles between traditionalism and a more liberal interpretation of Islam and Sharia in North America, the roles and rights of men versus women in Islam and how it is defined in Sharia law versus the Western court systems...

Not editorializing either way, you'll find plenty of that by searching "Shafia honor killing" or any related topics, but it's worth taking a few minutes to read some of the details and debates around it.