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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2012, 09:45:50 AM »

There's a quote from Brian, don't know the source, this is coming from memory: "Pet Sounds was marijuana. Smile was benzedrine."

What was 'Stars & Stripes'- beer?

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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2012, 09:48:17 AM »

I know it's not technically SMiLE, bu the "water chant" is pretty trippy. I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Fire/Mrs. O'Leary's Cow yet.

Obviously "psychedelic" means something different to everybody.  The first thing I thought of was Fire.  That song freaks me out with it's dramatic structure that gives one a sense that things are violently out of control.  The heavy drum sound was way ahead of it's time like some kind of strange dark dance number....wow, that to me is a psychedelic tune!
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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2012, 10:23:50 AM »

There's a quote from Brian, don't know the source, this is coming from memory: "Pet Sounds was marijuana. Smile was benzedrine."

What was 'Stars & Stripes'- beer?
Shots and beer! Even a toke or two when Willie Nelson sings The Warmth Of The Sun.
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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2012, 10:26:24 AM »

I know it's not technically SMiLE, bu the "water chant" is pretty trippy. I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Fire/Mrs. O'Leary's Cow yet.

Obviously "psychedelic" means something different to everybody.  The first thing I thought of was Fire.  That song freaks me out with it's dramatic structure that gives one a sense that things are violently out of control.  The heavy drum sound was way ahead of it's time like some kind of strange dark dance number....wow, that to me is a psychedelic tune!

Albert Hofman synthesized LSD from ergot fungus In the late 1930's...it was used by a Dr. Timothy Leary, who espoused its use in a context of "psychedelic psychotherapy." The rest is history.  But the connotation is an expanded one...which reaches up to nearly 1970's and includes both art and music concepts, and earlier, which evolved from its' original pure meaning of using LSD as a means of artistic stimulus.  In many, it caused irreversible brain damage.

The concept of psychedelic is difficult to define, but as the Supreme Court says about "porn" - "We can't define it, but we know it when we see it." Pretty maladroit, but that is their non black-and-white interpretation.  I guess it means it can be a subjective standard.  

The same could, apply, I think to the psychedelic concept, as applied to art and/or music.  Earlier interpretations might rely on an "altered mental state" but that does not mean that sober people could not use their creative gifts to conjure some of the instrumentation and composition to create imagery in sound or on a canvas.

One can recognize it on album covers, pop art,  etc. almost as a "style" of art, and in music, the use of instrumentation which creates almost a visual imagery for the listener.  Wiki can give some broad parameters to get the idea of the concept.  The record stores used to give out "psychedelic/pop art" book covers...I think Capitol had one...
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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2012, 01:24:53 PM »

funny i think of The Velvet Underground as kind of anti-psychedelic in many ways and i think they did too.

I certainly don't think Smiley is more psychedelic than SMiLE. more STONED, without a doubt.

Have you ever listened to either album on acid?

Taht's what I like about this board - the way posters offer to help each other out LOL
Well, I just meant that music that isn't in the "psychedelic" genre per se is frequently the most truly psychedelic, if one means the term in a "drug" sense. Again, it has to do with lots of drone and dry sounds, which the VU&N, Smile and Smiley music all has large quantities of.
Personally, I wouldn't recommend taking drugs to anyone.
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« Reply #30 on: January 08, 2012, 02:03:03 PM »

Do You Like Worms with the crazy hawaiian music part near the end of the song.

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« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2012, 05:38:09 PM »

funny i think of The Velvet Underground as kind of anti-psychedelic in many ways and i think they did too.

I certainly don't think Smiley is more psychedelic than SMiLE. more STONED, without a doubt.

Have you ever listened to either album on acid?

Taht's what I like about this board - the way posters offer to help each other out LOL
Well, I just meant that music that isn't in the "psychedelic" genre per se is frequently the most truly psychedelic, if one means the term in a "drug" sense. Again, it has to do with lots of drone and dry sounds, which the VU&N, Smile and Smiley music all has large quantities of.
Personally, I wouldn't recommend taking drugs to anyone.

No one would espouse taking drugs...it was a pretty irresponsible experiment, for doctors and scientists to foster this thing for "creative enhancement." And, it defies the Hippocratic Oath in my opinion.

But, that said, a whole genre, went mainstream for art, fashion and music.  A lot of the big corporations used the pop art/psychedelic style to market new customers, knowing they would be a huge market share.  Peter Max is a really famous signature artist from that era.  Interesting story on wiki.

You can tie in the white suits, which were very cool in the mid to late 1960's.  Any old films from that era clearly show, that was the look. No different from the mullets or spandex shorts from the 1980's. Or, those awful polyester leisure  suits from the 1970's disco era. They look dorky now.  It is all relative.
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« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2012, 05:43:19 PM »

Worms is pretty trippy, especially the chorus backing vocals and the weird slide guitar on the Hawaiian section, and then the repeat of the BR theme at the end.  Fire is the most obviously psychedelic, the "bad trip" flip side of the "good trip" Good Vibrations.  Who Ran the Iron Horse also seems psychedelic to me, especially with the Dennis Truck Drivin Man vocals.  And Vegetables is definitely drug influenced, the "demo" and Smiley versions more than the Smile one, but it's more a marijuana song.  The LYRICS of many of the songs are stream of consciousness "acid alliteration" but in terms of the music Worms, Fire, GV and Iron Horse are what send my brain to Cartoonland.
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« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2012, 06:54:00 PM »

SMiLE in its final form (as in BWPS) is pretty much a psychedelic experience throughout, especially in the way it is seamlessly structured in three long pieces that move through many different moods and musical textures. 

As far as one song, I would say that "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" is the most, could we say, "classsic psychedelia" piece in the song cycle.  It's like an aural hallucination.
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« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2012, 07:18:25 PM »

It's tricky trying to describe what "psychedelic" is. Lawrence Welk can be psychedelic when you're high on acid.

And it's short-sighted to narrow it down to just "drones" and "sonically altered acoustic instruments." Jimi Hendrix rarely played acoustic or employed the use of droning, and his music is some of the most psychedelic ever created.

I've listened to the Beach Boys under the influence of various things and I've found that Smiley Smile is probably better enjoyed while stoned, like the band was when they made it. whereas much of SMiLE, and Cabin Essence in particular is like musical acid. The music itself transports you to that place, no drugs needed.
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« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2012, 09:48:19 PM »


And it's short-sighted to narrow it down to just "drones" and "sonically altered acoustic instruments." Jimi Hendrix rarely played acoustic or employed the use of droning, and his music is some of the most psychedelic ever created.

If I'm short-sighted, you're Stevie Wonder. Thanks for trying, though.
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« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2012, 09:53:07 AM »

haha good one!

you're right. Psychedelic music is only drones and dry, sonically altered acoustic instruments. And the Velvet Underground.

thanks for setting us all straight... what was I thinking?!!

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« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2012, 06:00:27 PM »

I can't believe some of the junk I'm reading here.  I would expect people with an interest in SMiLE era Beach Boys to at least be able to generally identify the different types of psychedelic music that were happening in the U.S. and England around the mid-to-late 60s, to understand the blues underpinnings of the San Francisco scene, the more jazz/pop/folk influenced L.A. sounds, and the music-hall-meets-mad-hatter-meets-medieval-meets-sci-fi mix happening in London with established bands like the Beatles and new (at the time) bands such as Pink Floyd. 

Instead, I'm reading groundless conjectures about "drones" and stuff.  Come on folks, get some decent info and do some decent listening.
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« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2012, 12:29:09 PM »

well the obvious is good vibrations Smiley
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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2012, 12:41:53 PM »

well the obvious is good vibrations Smiley
Be more creative with your choices, SMiLE has way more creative "psychedelic" songs on it. Wall
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« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2012, 02:35:50 PM »

well the obvious is good vibrations Smiley
Be more creative with your choices, SMiLE has way more creative "psychedelic" songs on it. Wall
I'm just pointing out the obvious but another psychedelic moment in smile is well surf's up Smiley
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« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2012, 04:13:38 PM »

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« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2012, 05:48:58 PM »

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That was actually my full intent when replying to his posts.
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« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2012, 05:54:57 PM »

I don't know, for most of the songs on Smile, I think the childlike innocence of Brian is represented more than psychedelia.  But Good Vibrations is pretty much the definition of psychedelia.
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« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2012, 06:14:39 PM »

f*** You Guys  Angry lol
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« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2012, 06:21:32 PM »

f*ck You Guys  Angry lol
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« Reply #46 on: January 12, 2012, 07:05:34 PM »

f*ck You Guys  Angry lol
Watch your language Sunny! Old Man
Whatever!
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« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2012, 09:44:49 AM »


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« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2012, 10:17:29 AM »

"Cow" feels like an acid trip gone very, very bad. Paranoia, bad feeling. Kind of reminds me of R. Crumb's description of the party where everyone there seemed Satanic.

"Wonderful" sounds diametrically opposite...the good kind of trip...the ordinary world sparkles, and every moment is filled with wonder (although the "nonbeliever" leaves the girl after they consummate, which sounds like a buzz-kill to me).

I've never done acid...or much of anything else, for that matter...yet I keep running into people that tell me they always thought I was some big acid-head!
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