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« on: December 26, 2011, 02:04:25 AM »

Very interested in hearing your opinions on the differences between these songs..the smile sessions versions and smiley smile versions...and which one you prefered over the other and why?

Heroes and Villains (Smile Sessions)  vs.  Heroes and Villains (Smiley Smile) ? ? ?

Vega-Tables (Smile Sessions)  vs. Vegetables(Smiley Smile) ? ? ?

Elements (Fire) vs. Fall Breaks and Back to Winter ? ? ?

He Gives Speeches (Smile Sessions) vs. She's Goin Bald (Smiley Smile) ? ? ?

Love To Say Da Da (Smile Sessions) vs. Little Pad (Smiley Smile) ? ? ? (I'm guessing they are both water songs.)

Good Vibrations (Smile Sessions)  vs. Good Vibrations (Smiley Smile) ? ? ?

Wonderful (Smile Sessions) vs. Wonderful (Smiley Smile) ? ? ?

Wind Chimes (Smile Sessions) vs. Wind Chimes (Smiley Smile) ? ? ?

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« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2011, 02:22:00 AM »

Everyone's going to go for the Smile versions except for maybe "Wonderful".
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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2011, 02:27:51 AM »

Everyone's going to go for the Smile versions except for maybe "Wonderful".
no fair :/...the wonderful version on smiley smile is way more interesting and i find myself listening to it much more than the smile sessions version of it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2011, 04:56:58 AM »

I love Wonderful and Wind Chimes from SS. And I always hated He Gives Speeches, but I kinda like She's Going Bald. I like the vocals from Fall Breaks, that's why I love TSS version.
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2011, 05:20:33 AM »

I love Wonderful and Wind Chimes from SS. And I always hated He Gives Speeches, but I kinda like She's Going Bald. I like the vocals from Fall Breaks, that's why I love TSS version.
u hate "he gives speeches" but kinda like "she's going bald"...the sped up part is just creepy and not listenable Razz lol
but i'm glad i'm not the only one that loves wonderful and wind chimes from smiley smile.
critics refer to this album as a "cult classic" does that means only us die hard beach boys fans like it?  Huh
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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2011, 05:26:09 AM »

Cool topic! The smiley smile sessions are available on the Unsurpassed Masters boots, very cool to hear how they built up Smiley Smile, I reckon that the tag to windchimes on SS is much better than the Smile version. But then again I do not treat SS as a downtuned diluted version of Smile but something completely independent of it, not worse just different. Smiley Smile is truly a great album and one of their top 5 albums. never before or since has band broken so completly from their original sound. I admire them for it. But one must  wonder why they didnt to like The Who did with the Lifehouse sessions and turned it into the 'Who's Next' album. This could also have been done in 1967 with smile, they coulda used the smile sessions as they wanted and filled the gaps without brian's input and still have had a great album with which to compete with The Beatles, it would prob gone top 5 US and nr 1 in UK and many other places. But it would never have been Brian and Van Dyke's Smile.                                                                                                                                       
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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2011, 05:30:02 AM »

The SS Wind Chimes is amazing. Wonderful, not so much.
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« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2011, 05:41:38 AM »

I'm so pleased things worked out as they did... we would not have had SS had S come out originally. And now we have both and what an unsurpassed (no pun intended) incredibly creative body of work from the band!!!
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« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2011, 06:58:01 AM »

Cool topic! The smiley smile sessions are available on the Unsurpassed Masters boots, very cool to hear how they built up Smiley Smile, I reckon that the tag to windchimes on SS is much better than the Smile version. But then again I do not treat SS as a downtuned diluted version of Smile but something completely independent of it, not worse just different. Smiley Smile is truly a great album and one of their top 5 albums. never before or since has band broken so completly from their original sound. I admire them for it. But one must  wonder why they didnt to like The Who did with the Lifehouse sessions and turned it into the 'Who's Next' album. This could also have been done in 1967 with smile, they coulda used the smile sessions as they wanted and filled the gaps without brian's input and still have had a great album with which to compete with The Beatles, it would prob gone top 5 US and nr 1 in UK and many other places. But it would never have been Brian and Van Dyke's Smile.                                                                                                                                       

Great way to look at it.  I find people who hate Smiley Smile do so because it's not Smile, as opposed to hating Smiley Smile for what it is.  It's easy for a lot of fans to talk about Brian Wilson's "genius" until that "genius" creates something they don't understand.  As a fan, I'm grateful I have two great albums of roughly the same material.  That's a very novel approach to music and says way more to me about Brian's skills and artistic attitude than lists of session musicians or waxing technical about the intro to "California Girls" or some bit on "Pet Sounds."
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« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2011, 07:39:24 AM »

My picks:


Heroes and Villains (Smile Sessions) 

Vega-Tables (Smile Sessions)  

Fall Breaks and Back to Winter ? ? ?

She's Goin Bald (Smiley Smile) ? ? ?

Love To Say Da Da (Smile Sessions)

Good Vibrations (Smiley Smile) ? ? ?

Wonderful (Smile Sessions)

Wind Chimes (Smiley Smile) ? ? ?


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« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2011, 11:43:04 AM »

Everyone's going to go for the Smile versions except for maybe "Wonderful".

Are they?

Smiley Smile Wind Chimes is the greatest thing ever recorded by anyone, ever, in the universe.

IMO
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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2011, 01:19:55 PM »


Heroes and Villains (Smile Sessions)  vs.  Heroes and Villains (Smiley Smile) ? ? ?



I like the Cantina version best. Unpredictable and zany. Finished single not zany enough.

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Vega-Tables (Smile Sessions)  vs. Vegetables(Smiley Smile) ? ? ?


Like 'em both. Smiley closer to initial attempt, but Smile version got the run alot do alot and a fine vocal from Al. I vote Smile.


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Elements (Fire) vs. Fall Breaks and Back to Winter ? ? ?
I like the vide of Fall Breaks. Fire is cool, but Fall Breaks is food poisoning and seasonal affective disorder.

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He Gives Speeches (Smile Sessions) vs. She's Goin Bald (Smiley Smile) ? ? ?

Speeches isnít really a song. Itís just a fragment. Bald is the completion of said fragment. So I guess Iíd rather have the finished product than a scrap of idea. So Bald wins.

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Love To Say Da Da (Smile Sessions) vs. Little Pad (Smiley Smile) ? ? ? (I'm guessing they are both water songs.)
Unrelated songs, but Iíd still take Little Pad over Dada and day of the week.

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Wonderful (Smile Sessions) vs. Wonderful (Smiley Smile) ? ? ?
Iíve never heard a version of Wonderful I didnít like (although Rock With Me Hendry  comes close). That said, I like pretty harpsichord yodel version best. My second favorite Beach Boys song.

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Wind Chimes (Smile Sessions) vs. Wind Chimes (Smiley Smile) ? ? ?
I like the Smiley version a lot better. Like the vibe. The vocals. And the tag is heaven, of course.

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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2011, 02:45:07 PM »

Cool topic! The smiley smile sessions are available on the Unsurpassed Masters boots, very cool to hear how they built up Smiley Smile, I reckon that the tag to windchimes on SS is much better than the Smile version. But then again I do not treat SS as a downtuned diluted version of Smile but something completely independent of it, not worse just different. Smiley Smile is truly a great album and one of their top 5 albums. never before or since has band broken so completly from their original sound. I admire them for it. But one must  wonder why they didnt to like The Who did with the Lifehouse sessions and turned it into the 'Who's Next' album. This could also have been done in 1967 with smile, they coulda used the smile sessions as they wanted and filled the gaps without brian's input and still have had a great album with which to compete with The Beatles, it would prob gone top 5 US and nr 1 in UK and many other places. But it would never have been Brian and Van Dyke's Smile.                                                                                                                                        
you're right they created lifehouse..shelved it and created who's next which is a masterpiece Smiley..
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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2011, 06:11:43 PM »

On Smiley the mix of H&V is better for the trombone and the snare.... wwaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy better.
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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2011, 06:53:44 PM »

Smiley's Wind Chimes is an incredible track. I'm reminded of a quote by Dennis from Byron Preiss's book:

"Smiley Smile...when we put that one out we almost double-dared anyone else to try and record anything like that. Take "Wind Chimes." People just don't sing like that."
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« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2011, 07:22:13 PM »

Generally speaking, I love the f*** out of both versions/variations, but for very different reasons. Impossible for me to choose.
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« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2011, 05:08:02 PM »


Heroes and Villains: Smile Sessions version - many more interesting fragments and ideas in this version.

Vega-Tables: Smile Sessions version - as above.

Fall Breaks and Back to Winter - I do love Fire but it's the organ and the "Bom-bom" bass vocals that do it for me.

She's Goin Bald - always loved this one due to the group vocals.

Little Pad - Not keen on the opening but as soon as that slide guitar comes in it is heavenly.

Good Vibrations - It's basically the same song, but I'd go with the original. Not too much of a fan of the "humbedums" but I do like the extended outro on the new version.

Wonderful: Smile Sessions - The Smiley version does nothing for me.

Wind Chimes: I love the Smile chorus. I love the marimbas and the vocals. I also love the group vocals on Smiley and the outro in particular. It's a tie.

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« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2011, 06:03:53 PM »

I have always enjoyed Smiley Smile.  It's as fun a 1967 stoner album as there is, and "Good Vibrations", "Wind Chimes", "Wonderful", and "Heroes And Villains" are pop masterpieces no matter how they're presented. 

That said, there's one thing that Smiley Smile can't give us--and that's a "Surf's Up".  And the world of music would be much poorer without it.

And I think of other SMiLE Sessions moments that have long been dear to my heart, such as the "Child Is Father Of The Man" sessions, "Holidays", "Look", "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow"--and I must admit that I always thought "Fall Breaks And Back To Winter" was too much of a good little riff, and got boring about mid-way through.  That never happened with the original piece from which it descended.

"She's Goin' Bald" is funny as hell, and I have always loved it.  "He Gives Speeches" is more intriguing, though, and I love it about equally nowadays.

The middle section of "Wonderful" on Smiley is disturbing because of the chatter.  It has a sick, high school locker-room tone to it that is not at all appropriate for the song into which it intrudes.  That's one of the hardest things for me to take about Smiley Smile.  And yet, even that did not keep me from recognizing the greatness of the song when I first heard it.

Depending on my mood, I can find the Smiley version of "Wind Chimes" just as moving or even moreso than the original SMiLE version (which I also greatly love).  My first exposure to all of the SMiLE songs on SS was through SS itself, and the SS version of "Wind Chimes" is perhaps the albums's finest moment, in my estimation.  A true work of art.

My favorite version of "Heroes And Villains" doesn't exist except on a fan mix I made!  Nothing compares to it. 

I really like the original "Good Vibrations".  I think Brian made good choices all the way around--including the short outro.  But I don't mind the SMiLE Sessions version at all.  And there are some fan mix versions that I think are really cooking.

"Little Pad"--not special to me at all.

I'm sentimental about the Smiley version of "Vegetables", but to me nothing compares to the just-released "SMiLE Album Assembly" version.  It is far and away the best blending of all of the best elements of the recordings that has ever been put together.  I consider it the new "definitive" version.  Totally blown away with it.



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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2011, 08:17:27 PM »

I have always enjoyed Smiley Smile.  It's as fun a 1967 stoner album as there is, and "Good Vibrations", "Wind Chimes", "Wonderful", and "Heroes And Villains" are pop masterpieces no matter how they're presented. 

That said, there's one thing that Smiley Smile can't give us--and that's a "Surf's Up".  And the world of music would be much poorer without it.

And I think of other SMiLE Sessions moments that have long been dear to my heart, such as the "Child Is Father Of The Man" sessions, "Holidays", "Look", "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow"--and I must admit that I always thought "Fall Breaks And Back To Winter" was too much of a good little riff, and got boring about mid-way through.  That never happened with the original piece from which it descended.

"She's Goin' Bald" is funny as hell, and I have always loved it.  "He Gives Speeches" is more intriguing, though, and I love it about equally nowadays.

The middle section of "Wonderful" on Smiley is disturbing because of the chatter.  It has a sick, high school locker-room tone to it that is not at all appropriate for the song into which it intrudes.  That's one of the hardest things for me to take about Smiley Smile.  And yet, even that did not keep me from recognizing the greatness of the song when I first heard it.

Depending on my mood, I can find the Smiley version of "Wind Chimes" just as moving or even moreso than the original SMiLE version (which I also greatly love).  My first exposure to all of the SMiLE songs on SS was through SS itself, and the SS version of "Wind Chimes" is perhaps the albums's finest moment, in my estimation.  A true work of art.

My favorite version of "Heroes And Villains" doesn't exist except on a fan mix I made!  Nothing compares to it. 

I really like the original "Good Vibrations".  I think Brian made good choices all the way around--including the short outro.  But I don't mind the SMiLE Sessions version at all.  And there are some fan mix versions that I think are really cooking.

"Little Pad"--not special to me at all.

I'm sentimental about the Smiley version of "Vegetables", but to me nothing compares to the just-released "SMiLE Album Assembly" version.  It is far and away the best blending of all of the best elements of the recordings that has ever been put together.  I consider it the new "definitive" version.  Totally blown away with it.




wow Smiley i'm speechless..u totally went track 2 track details..i like that
but u forgot to speak on "gettin hungry" :/
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« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2011, 08:50:30 PM »

wow Smiley i'm speechless..u totally went track 2 track details..i like that
but u forgot to speak on "gettin hungry" :/

Oh no, I didn't forget... Razz
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« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2011, 03:27:14 AM »

Everyone's going to go for the Smile versions except for maybe "Wonderful".
Actually, with each one of  those comparisons, I prefer the Smiley Smile song, although I definitely enjoy both.  Lately, I've been listening to the Smiley Smile sessions (Unsurpassed Masters), and I have to say that I actually enjoy that more than the Smile Sessions...there's just a more relaxing fun vibe to the sessions and the album. 

Keep in mind that this is just a matter of taste...my favorite BB or BB-related albums are Friends and Orange Crate Art.
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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2011, 05:11:22 AM »

Everyone's going to go for the Smile versions except for maybe "Wonderful".
Actually, with each one of  those comparisons, I prefer the Smiley Smile song, although I definitely enjoy both.  Lately, I've been listening to the Smiley Smile sessions (Unsurpassed Masters), and I have to say that I actually enjoy that more than the Smile Sessions...there's just a more relaxing fun vibe to the sessions and the album. 

Keep in mind that this is just a matter of taste...my favorite BB or BB-related albums are Friends and Orange Crate Art.
wow how did you get your hands on the smiley smile sessions? have you ever heard a song by them named "sandy"?
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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2011, 11:16:48 AM »

This is an easy one. 

SMiLE versions on every single one, and not just because it's SMiLE.  The versions are just better and more inspired across the board.  I've tried to like SS Wonderful and Wind Chimes, but they remind me too much of drunk karaoke. 

I really don't understand this (recent) dislike for SMiLE Wonderful around here.
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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2011, 02:26:09 PM »

It's weird. I think that the Smile Sessions versions of all those songs are way, way better than the Smiley Smile versions. But as a whole, both albums work very well for me but on a different level. I have mixed emotions when I listen to The Smile Sessions. It's all brilliant and beautiful music, but it's so complex, so bizarre, so insane and trying so hard that it's also a bit painful to listen to. Smiley Smile isn't. Smiley Smile is always a joy. I love the mood of that album.
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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2011, 04:11:14 PM »

I find them to be like your children, made by the same people and different as all get out but equally lovable in their own right.
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