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Question: What is their strongest post-Pet Sounds Album? (1967-1977)
Smiley Smile
Wild Honey
Friends
20/20
Sunflower
Surf's Up
Carl and the Passions "So Tough"
Holland
15 Big Ones
Love You

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« on: December 24, 2011, 11:32:38 AM »

Hope you can forgive the rather elementary poll question but I'm just a little curious how everyone ranks these later albums from this particular 10 year period.

It can be difficult for me to single out a strong album when perhaps another album is a favorite but not necessarily strong...or perhaps the strongest album isn't neccessarily your favorite.  This poll shall be twofold: along with choosing what you think is their strongest album, feel free to also post your ranking of the albums based on just your personal preferences/favorites.

Heres mine:

1 Smiley Smile
2 Sunflower
3 Carl and the Passions So Tough
4 Surf's Up
5 20/20
6 Love You
7 Holland
8 15 Big Ones
9 Wild Honey
10 Friends
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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2011, 12:29:22 PM »

The Smile Sessions without a doubt.
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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2011, 12:50:51 PM »

TSS was post-77.
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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2011, 01:26:44 PM »

I normally choose Sunflower, but I'm in a bit of a Holland mood these days...
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2011, 01:35:51 PM »

Friends without a doubt.

To me, it's the only post-Pet Sounds album that carries out a unified message, it's cohesive, and the guys sound brilliant on every track they sing on. Also, an album that has a good sized snippet of 'Child Is Father Of The Man' deserves to be labeled the best!
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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2011, 02:15:25 PM »

Surf's Up is my favourite Beach Boys album - period.
Sunflower is their most cohesive group effort.
Holland may be slightly superior to Sunflower but a near total lack of Brian makes it feel like a different band at times.
So Tough could have been a contender if it were a few tracks longer.
I love 20/20 even if half of the material were covers or were several years old at the time of release.
Wild Honey suffers from really shitty production and poorly mixed vocal arrangements on what would otherwise be a great batch of tunes.
Thanks to the legend of SMiLE and following in the wake of Pet Sounds, Smiley Smile is doomed to be the most misunderstood album of all time.
Friends is a nice mellow record with some cool ideas, but it's just not in the same league as what Brian was achieving just a few years previously.
15 Big Ones is the soundtrack to what occurs when record label pressure and in-house band politics put the two most creative members of The BB's on the sidelines in favour of a guy who would rather be in bed eating junk food, snorting coke and watching porn.
Love You is an audio document of Brian unable to differentiate between great songs and truly awful songs with the added bonus of two thirds of the group's voices ruined by drugs and alcohol.

Still I would not trade these records for the world.
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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2011, 02:20:52 PM »

I picked Sunflower barely over Friends.
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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2011, 02:36:58 PM »

Friends without a doubt.

To me, it's the only post-Pet Sounds album that carries out a unified message, it's cohesive, and the guys sound brilliant on every track they sing on. Also, an album that has a good sized snippet of 'Child Is Father Of The Man' deserves to be labeled the best!

I've got to really go back to "Friends" one day.  I just can't get through to this album.  

Surf's Up is my favourite Beach Boys album - period.
Sunflower is their most cohesive group effort.
Holland may be slightly superior to Sunflower but a near total lack of Brian makes it feel like a different band at times.
So Tough could have been a contender if it were a few tracks longer.
I love 20/20 even if half of the material were covers or were several years old at the time of release.
Wild Honey suffers from really sh*tty production and poorly mixed vocal arrangements on what would otherwise be a great batch of tunes.
Thanks to the legend of SMiLE and following in the wake of Pet Sounds, Smiley Smile is doomed to be the most misunderstood album of all time.
Friends is a nice mellow record with some cool ideas, but it's just not in the same league as what Brian was achieving just a few years previously.
15 Big Ones is the soundtrack to what occurs when record label pressure and in-house band politics put the two most creative members of The BB's on the sidelines in favour of a guy who would rather be in bed eating junk food, snorting coke and watching porn.
Love You is an audio document of Brian unable to differentiate between great songs and truly awful songs with the added bonus of two thirds of the group's voices ruined by drugs and alcohol.

Still I would not trade these records for the world.


Couldn't agree more. Although, the length of "So Tough" doesn't bother me...I think what made it on the album makes up for it's brevity.  To me, the clusters of albums, "Wild Honey" "Friends" and "20/20" suffer all the same issue for me: inconsistency.  That's just me.  

Great to read everyone's thoughts!
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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2011, 08:01:29 PM »

Best:
1.Wild Honey(The Whole album is great..it's the only beach boys "white soul" album..this could've been on motown lol
it's cheap sounding but thats what i love about it ..idk why lol..the cover is amazing as well.)

2.Sunflower(As a group effort this has best songs from all the members..a sunny feeling to it all.)

3.Smiley Smile(Took me quite some time to get used to this one but i love the creepy and eerie feel to all the songs plus it's part of the smile legacy so that alone is a reason to like it.)

4.20/20(such an under-rated album c'mon people it has Do it again,I Can Hear Music,Be with Me,Time to Get Alone,Never Learn Not to Love,Cabin Essence) It's not as bad as people make it seem. Smiley lots of good cuts on it.

5.Friends (Never enjoyed or got used to this album but always loved Passing by,Anna Lee, the Healer,Little Bird,Busy Doin' Nothin,Diamond Head)

Worst:
1.Love You (Never liked this dorky album but always liked the cover...and absolutely love "The Night is so Young")

2.Surf's Up(The only two cuts from this album which drew me in were "Til i Die" & "Surf's Up"...it's extremely over-rated by bb fans.)

4.Carl and the Passions "So Tough" (Feels like a funk/gospel record and thats not my taste but i do love "All this is that & "Marcella"

5.Holland (Nice name & cover art) (honorable mentions are "sail on sailor" and "funky pretty" also "steamboat"

6.15 Big Ones (Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! this is a musical disaster)
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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2011, 08:22:58 PM »

Gotta go with Sunflower.  It's strong. 
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2011, 09:11:17 PM »

Smiley is my personal favorite, and I dig Love You as well, but I feel like Sunflower is the strongest in terms of a cohesive group statement and overall collection of songs.  Many of the others on there are good but feel very disjointed, and I don't find the albums where Brian is barely present to be nearly as strong as the ones where he is.
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2011, 09:27:43 PM »

Love You.
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2011, 09:55:56 PM »

I'm gonna have to say Holland. Not only is it one of the strongest post Pet Sounds BBs albums (I'd technically rate Sunflower as "stronger" but I just like Holland better) but it also boasts one of the best sequences of any Beach Boys album, and yes, it sound almost like a different band, but that's one of the key reasons I love it so much. It is obviously THE BEACH BOYS but it's (to my ears) possibly the only post Pet Sounds album that doesn't have a wet rag of expectation/"does it stand up to Pet Sounds" B.S. hanging over it. It is the perfect moment of the 1973 Beach Boys as an artistically flourishing entity connected to their past glories in only the best way: those heavenly voices. Carl/Dennis were at their peak of their powers and Mike/Al were close behind and making the whole thing still FEEL like The beach Boys. Not enough Brian? Perhaps. But at that moment, it mattered not.
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« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2011, 02:02:56 PM »

Wild Honey and Sunflower in a tie, really (although I voted for WH, since it's my favorite album of all time). Surf's Up is another favorite.

But right now, I've been listening to The Smile Sessions whenever I get tired of Christmas music.  Smiley

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« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2011, 02:20:25 PM »

Love You. Very eccentric, like the man who created it. I dig that.

Another favorite of mine is Surf's Up.
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« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2011, 02:21:59 PM »

Where's the love for 15 Big Ones? Shrug
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« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2011, 03:37:43 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2011, 03:41:28 PM »

1. Sunflower
2. Wild honey
3. Holland
4. Love you
5. Smiley smile
6. Friends
7. Surfs up
8. 20/20
9. 15 Big ones

Can't rate Carl and the Passions. I haven't listened  to it enougn
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« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2011, 04:34:26 PM »

Not sure about 'strongest,' but my favorites are:

FRIENDS
LOVE YOU
HOLLAND
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« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2011, 05:51:15 PM »

Sunflower is my favorite Beach Boys album, I love it even more than Pet Sounds and Smile.
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« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2011, 06:22:42 PM »

Sunflower.

With Holland and Surf's Up next on the list.
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« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2011, 07:58:44 PM »

yeah

holland, love you, and the other good ones running a distance 3rd (friends), and 4th 20/20 tied with Surfs Up, etc.  Just can't/don't listen to the rest nearly as much as the first two.  Both of these are home run lps.   

Some of WH is great but a lot of it seems dated or derivative.
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« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2011, 08:09:04 PM »

I voted for Wild Honey.  It's the only album on the list that I can listen to in its entirety without skipping (or at least wanting to skip) a track or three.


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« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2011, 12:13:32 AM »

Where's the love for 15 Big Ones? Shrug

Yeah no kidding!  Fascinating results here.  Since posting this poll and reading people's responses I've been revisiting most of these albums again. Particularly Friends after seeing how well it was doing in the voting.  I must say that I had forgotten most of this album and was pleasantly surprised what I found and have a new respect for it. 

I also found more love for 20/20....an album that doesn't seem to be represented well in the polls here!  I actually prefer 20/20 over Friends by a small margin.  But either way, I walked away with a reminder of just how great these albums were.

Here's my revised list:

1 Smiley Smile
2 Sunflower
3 Carl and the Passions So Tough
4 Surf's Up
5 20/20
6 Friends
7 Love You
8 Holland
9 15 Big Ones
10 Wild Honey


Looks like I gotta relook at Wild Honey now!
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« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2011, 01:44:04 AM »

1) Sunflower - great group effort, rolls along until "Our Sweet Love", but Cool, cool water picks it up again - and it's cool to hear the '68 vocals (bouncy like), versus the kinda world weary 69/70 efforts

2) Smiley Smile - previously way down, but I have a higher appreciation since the Smile Sessions release.  It doesn't have the "Humour" of Smile, but is fascinating stuff.  I think the Smiley Smile version of Vegetables is tighter and better than the Smile Sesh versh.

3) Friends - this album, what can I say, it's up there with...

4) Love You  - see item 3)

I'll slip Mt Vernon and Fairway '45 in as a 4.1 perhaps - but see item 3) and 4)

5)  20/20, Wild Honey, Surf's up, Holland, Carl and the Passions So Tough - in that order.  These albums are line ball for me - it's hard to choose over one or the other, as they all have great things to offer

6)  Fifteen Big One's is a major lamer - except for Palisades Park, strangely enough
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