Noel Gallagher & The Beach Boys

[Magic Transistor Radio]

I think in some ways the BBs are over rated. I think certain early songs like Surfin USA, Little Deuce Coupe and Babarann are over rated. The Beatles were also overrated IMO before Rubber Soul. Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations have gotten their just due over all, and the Beatles lived up to their hype for the most part beginning with Rubber Soul. However, the BBs are the most underrated band of all time in terms of Smiley - Holland, Love You and LALA.

[joe_blow]

I've read Noel articles in the past where he states he hates The Beach Boys and called Brian "a cabbage". He did state before though that they had 6-7 good songs. Since in this clip he noted Good Vibrations, I wonder what other songs he might put on his list of good Beach Boys songs? I'd wager it'd include God Only Knows,Sail On Sailor, maybe California Girls? I think Noel might like Dennis' Pacific Ocean Blue, if he didn't read the label first.

It is interesting that many of the artists Noel has shown admiration for are huge Beach Boys fans. These include Teenage Fanclub,Primal Scream,The Beatles,The Thrills,Richard Ashcroft,and Jesus and Mary Chain to name but a few. One might ponder if Gallagher and any of these artists have ever had discussions about The Beach Boys.

With regards to Oasis more than copying The Beatles, here i s short list of some songs Oasis did that ape The Beatles and others songs I found these in Facebook (not to mention The Importance of Being Idle (The Kinks Sunny Afternoon /Dead End Street-look at how the videos of TIOBI and DES are so similar!) Also check Oasis' Mucky Fingers versus The Velvet Underground's Waiting For The Man!

Having written that I am still going to see Beady Eye in concert tonight!

The piano intro on John Lennon's Imagine. The piano intro on Oasis's Don't Look Back In Anger.

The guitar riff on George Harrison's My Sweet Lord. The guitar riff on Oasis's Supersonic.

The outro on The Beatles With A Little Help From My Friends. The outro on Oasis's She's Electric.
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John Lennon's cover of Ben E King’s Stand By Me. Oasis's made a song called Stand By Me.

George Harrison's album Wonderwall Music. Oasis's song Wonderwall.

The “Stars that shine” lyric in the Beatles song And I Love Her. The “Stars that shine” lyric in the Oasis song Rock n Roll Star.

The Beatles song “Yellow Submarine”. The “You can sail with me in my yellow submarine” lyric in the Oasis song Supersonic.

The Beatles song Revolution. The “So I start a revolution from my bed” lyric in the Oasis song Don’t Look Back In Anger”

The Beatles songs Glass Onion and Norweigan Wood. Same concept in Oasis’ song Champagne Supernova.

The Beatles songs The Fool On The Hill and I Feel Fine. The “Fool on the hill and I feel fine” lyric from the Oasis song Do You Know What I Mean.

The Beatles song I Me Mine. Same concept in the Oasis song I hope I think I Know.

The “So let it out and let it in lyric” in the Beatles song Hey Jude. The Oasis song Go Let It Out (Go Let It In).

The Beatles song Norweigan Wood has an Indian sound, with a sitar being played in the song. The Oasis song Hindu Times has an Indian sound, with a sitar being played in the song.

The Beatles album and song Magical Mystery Tour. The “Love is a litany, a magical mystery” lyric in Oasis’ The Shock Of Lightening.

The Beatles song Strawberry Fields Forever. The “All your dreams are made Of Strawberry lemonade” lyric in Oasis’ song Talk Tonight.

The constant clap in the Beatles song Eight Days A Week. The constant clap in the Oasis song Half The World Away.

The orchestral intro to the Beatles song I Am The Walrus. The same orchestral sound in the Oasis song The Masterplan.

The mellotron intro to the Beatles song Strawberry Fields Forever. The same mellotron sound in the Oasis song Go Let It Out (The mellotron is an electro-mechanical keyboard from the 1960’s)

The na na na outro to the Beatles song Hey Jude. The na na na outro to the Oasis song All Around The World.

The Beatles hairstyles. The Gallagher brothers early hairstyles.

John Lennon constantly chewed gum whilst performing in his solo days. Liam Gallagher can be seen constantly chewing gum whilst performing.

John Lennon’s army jacket which he often wore whilst performing. Liam Gallagher’s identical army jacket which he often wears whilst performing (It also appears in some music videos).

John Lennons circular glasses. Liam Gallagher’s identical circular glasses.

John Lennons legacy. Liam Gallagher is obsessed with John Lennon and has even made ridiculous claims that he was visited by his ghost.

The Beatles legacy. Oasis constantly cover songs such as All You Need is Love, I Am The Walrus and You’ve Got To Hide Your Love Away, murdering them ferociously.

The Beatles song and album Let It Be. The “Sing a song for me one from let it be” lyric in Oasis’ Be Here Now.

The “Say the word and you'll be free” lyric in the Beatles’ The Word. The “Just say the word and I'd be free” lyric in Oasis’ It's Getting Better (Man!!).

John Lennons Epiphone Casino. Noel Gallaghers Epiphone Casino.

[soniclovenoize]

lol You guys gotta chill out.  This is a guy who has admitted that his record collection consists of ONLY T-Rex, The Jam and The Beatles, and a few best-of albums.  This is literally something he's said in a few different interviews, and based on Oasis's output, I can believe that.  

I really love the first few Oasis albums, and their final one was actually pretty great.  But he could only dream of making an album as good as Pet Sounds anyways (his solo album was, as the Brits say, "bullocks").  

I wouldn't dwell much on it, him and his brother's made a career out of speaking his mind and his inane opinions.  

[hypehat]

I really love the first few Oasis albums, and their final one was actually pretty great.  But he could only dream of making an album as good as Pet Sounds anyways (his solo album was, as the Brits say, "bullocks").  

Swing and a miss....  

And I think that list is a little unfair, and I love to hate Oasis. 'Same concept' is grasping a bit, and not exactly plagiarism. So is using hand claps. and 'an Indian sound', and 'an orchestral sound'.

Although while you're at Beady Eye, think really hard about what 'The Roller' sounds like

[The Heartical Don]

lol You guys gotta chill out.  This is a guy who has admitted that his record collection consists of ONLY T-Rex, The Jam and The Beatles, and a few best-of albums.  This is literally something he's said in a few different interviews, and based on Oasis's output, I can believe that.  

I really love the first few Oasis albums, and their final one was actually pretty great.  But he could only dream of making an album as good as Pet Sounds anyways (his solo album was, as the Brits say, "bullocks").  

I wouldn't dwell much on it, him and his brother's made a career out of speaking his mind and his inane opinions.  

He -

confirms my impression that he's simply an arrogant pedant (or a simple arrogant pedant?) who pretends to know more than he actually does.

Noel, if push comes to shove, what's your one single favourite Beach Boys album?

Noel: their greatest hits compilation, then.

[runnersdialzero]

Remember that time that stupid surf group stole the entirety of the Chuck Berry song, changed the words and claimed it as their own? Buncha talentless hacks, they were.

Also, a fair amount of the list posted above is ridiculous. John Lennon covers a song called "Stand By Me", so no one else is allowed to use the title? A very common title/phrase, at that? John Lennon opened his song with a C/F chord progression in 4/4 on piano, so no one else can? George Harrison uses another two chords in his song, so no one else can use them? The Beatles used this instrument and had this particular haircut for a couple years and mentioned strawberries in a song (!) and chewed gum (!!!), so no one else can without ripping them off?

There's obviously a big influence there, as well as intentional references, but come on. The majority of these go to pretty desperate lengths.

[The Heartical Don]

Runnersdialzero wrote:



Remember that time that stupid surf group stole the entirety of the Chuck Berry song, changed the words and claimed it as their own? Buncha talentless hacks, they were.

Whether one agrees or not (I don't), that stupid surf group scaled hitherto unimaginable heights in music within 4 years. Oasis, um, failed to do that.
 

[runnersdialzero]

Whether one agrees or not (I don't), that stupid surf group scaled hitherto unimaginable heights in music within 4 years. Oasis, um, failed to do that.
 

Don't agree there, either.

Well, maybe not unimaginable heights. More like imaginable heights. Heights, never the less.

imo.

My point was, I've come across a fair amount of folks who've heard five Beach Boys songs and dismiss them saying what I said above. Feels too appropriate for this thread, with folks starting in with the claims of Noel doing nothing but ripping other people off when it's far from the truth.

[soniclovenoize]

Whether one agrees or not (I don't), that stupid surf group scaled hitherto unimaginable heights in music within 4 years. Oasis, um, failed to do that.
 

Naaaaaaahhhhh, Oasis was actually a really big band. 

[SMiLE Brian]

Well we can all agree we like The Beach Boys.

[The Heartical Don]

Whether one agrees or not (I don't), that stupid surf group scaled hitherto unimaginable heights in music within 4 years. Oasis, um, failed to do that.
 

Naaaaaaahhhhh, Oasis was actually a really big band. 

But of course, Wishbone Ash was better than both of these bands. Can we meet each other here, then?

[runnersdialzero]

Well we can all agree we like The Beach Boys.

I DISAGREE.

!!!!!!!!!!!






Naw, kidding.

[Beach Boy]

http://oasisinterviews.blogspot.com/2005/11/noel-gallagher-age-25th-november-2005.html

But their new f--kin' record, man, I'm telling you, I am pretty f--kin' amazed by. One tune sounds like the Beach Boys. Not that I like the Beach Boys. I f--kin' hate the Beach Boys - I think Brian Wilson is a cabbage. But we had a great time with them and they are top, top geezers."

After all you can't take someone serious who supports Manchester City. 

[hypehat]

Dude sounds WELL self-conscious - 'This records amazing, sounds just like the beach boys, but i hate the beach boys, but the records amazing.' What the hell is that about?

Even stranger - just looked through the record he's on about - Jet's Shine On - on spotify, and nothing sounds like the beach boys?! He might mean the song with the Be My Baby beat.

[Exapno Mapcase]

He's a dick.  He has his fast song (which surely owes a lot to Slade); his Beatley-arty song; his dirge-like ballad, with various none too subtle variations of all.  His new album's a stinker.  Never understood why they have an audience in the US except that a lot of fools who still get hard-ons when they hear the words "British Invasion" will buy any old sh*t that makes Beatles references instead of shelling out for more talented artists.  As for the UK, the brothers still get an enormous amount of press coverage simply for bad mouthing other bands or each other. They're not the only ones.  Girl groups do it and 50 odd year-old Paul Weller's word is taken as gospel when he refers to other artists as "wankers" while promoting his latest round of Steve Winwood knock-offs.  All the wit of Oscar fucking Wilde. To some people, especially some in the media, that is rock and roll.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

It's funny. There's two bands that I have had to defend liking the most have been: Oasis and The Beach Boys and typically both from arguments that I think are entirely groundless. The fact is we, here, would laugh hysterically at the groundless criticisms made towards The Beach Boys while the groundless criticisms made towards Oasis, well, have mostly been made in this thread. It's kind of sad when you come to a place for a band you've had to find yourself consistently defending throughout your life and find yourself having to defend the other band you've had to find yourself consistently defending throughout your life.

[Chocolate Shake Man]

Runnersdialzero wrote:



Remember that time that stupid surf group stole the entirety of the Chuck Berry song, changed the words and claimed it as their own? Buncha talentless hacks, they were.

Whether one agrees or not (I don't), that stupid surf group scaled hitherto unimaginable heights in music within 4 years. Oasis, um, failed to do that.
 

And yet they still happened to be stealing. It is, by now, well known that Heroes and Villains bears a striking resemblance River Deep, Mountain High. It's kind of amusing how sigificant artists like Brian Wilson don't have this hang up about originality that people who have never reached those heights have.

[hypehat]

It's funny. There's two bands that I have had to defend liking the most have been: Oasis and The Beach Boys and typically both from arguments that I think are entirely groundless. The fact is we, here, would laugh hysterically at the groundless criticisms made towards The Beach Boys while the groundless criticisms made towards Oasis, well, have mostly been made in this thread. It's kind of sad when you come to a place for a band you've had to find yourself consistently defending throughout your life and find yourself having to defend the other band you've had to find yourself consistently defending throughout your life.

We do tend to argue about them a lot, don't we?

Although given that I spent many, many years of my life listening to Oasis, and I'll never get them back, I like to think my criticisms aren't 'groundless' 

[Chocolate Shake Man]

It's funny. There's two bands that I have had to defend liking the most have been: Oasis and The Beach Boys and typically both from arguments that I think are entirely groundless. The fact is we, here, would laugh hysterically at the groundless criticisms made towards The Beach Boys while the groundless criticisms made towards Oasis, well, have mostly been made in this thread. It's kind of sad when you come to a place for a band you've had to find yourself consistently defending throughout your life and find yourself having to defend the other band you've had to find yourself consistently defending throughout your life.

We do tend to argue about them a lot, don't we?

Although given that I spent many, many years of my life listening to Oasis, and I'll never get them back, I like to think my criticisms aren't 'groundless' 

Haha. You're a good guy. So let's just not get into it again. 

[Shady]

Like I needed one more reason to hate this guy..

Wanna talk about a band with six good tunes? Let's talk Oasis

[18thofMay]

He is a wanker. and has made plenty of cash being one!
I have seen Oasis twice, on one occasion  they were terrible and the second time they were great!
The most hyped band in history never really went on with the job!

[runnersdialzero]

He's a well-past-his-prime nutjob.  He has his surf song (which surely owes a lot to Chuck Berry); his Beatley-arty song; his car song, with various none too subtle variations of all.  His new album's a stinker.  Never understood why he/they have an audience in the US except that a lot of fools who still get hard-ons when they hear the words "genius" will buy any old sh*t that makes California references instead of shelling out for more talented artists.  He still gets an enormous amount of press coverage simply for being crazy, he and his bandmates suing each other into oblivion, and ceaselessly playing the nostalgia card.

[Exapno Mapcase]

"He's a well-past-his-prime nutjob.  He has his surf song (which surely owes a lot to Chuck Berry); his Beatley-arty song; his car song, with various none too subtle variations of all.  His new album's a stinker.  Never understood why he/they have an audience in the US except that a lot of fools who still get hard-ons when they hear the words "genius" will buy any old sh*t that makes California references instead of shelling out for more talented artists.  He still gets an enormous amount of press coverage simply for being crazy, he and his bandmates suing each other into oblivion, and ceaselessly playing the nostalgia card."

When (more likely if) Gallagher has a decent body of work, maybe we can discuss this. If you think so little of Brian and the Beach Boys, why post here? Why not stare at your Noel poster and give your typing hand something better to do?

[cablegeddon]

I don't care. Won't watch. I don't need to hear a great songwriter critize another great songwriter.

I think Oasis - Whatever is my favorite song of all time. Unfortunately I found out that it's a rip-off. 

[cablegeddon]

But I mean BW said he ripped off When you wish upon a star (Surfer Girl), if there's a genius there we're ready to overlook this kind of thing.

Noel Gallagher is one the greats IMO.