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« Reply #150 on: December 09, 2011, 08:39:19 AM »

Here is a new CIFOTM mix inspired by seltaeb's SMILE AD Stereo Mix. It's not intended to be faithful but I think it sounds pretty cool. Please have a  listen if you like this sort of thing.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52684612/12_CIFTM_120211.mp3
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« Reply #151 on: December 09, 2011, 09:20:12 AM »

Looking forward to it!
Thank you! It will include a 6 mn Wind Chimes so watch out!
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« Reply #152 on: December 09, 2011, 12:06:23 PM »

Here is a new CIFOTM mix inspired by seltaeb's SMILE AD Stereo Mix. It's not intended to be faithful but I think it sounds pretty cool. Please have a  listen if you like this sort of thing.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52684612/12_CIFTM_120211.mp3

Liking the 'flown-in' extra vocals (and a bit of CWTL?) I'd really love to know what software and processes people use to extract such clean vocals. Can you let us in on your secrets? Razz
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« Reply #153 on: December 09, 2011, 03:46:52 PM »

I use the "Extraboy" VST
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« Reply #154 on: December 09, 2011, 07:56:55 PM »

How is anybody's 'Complete SMiLE sessions' coming along? I am really interested in either hearing someones or getting a walkthrough to it....
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« Reply #155 on: December 09, 2011, 08:19:47 PM »

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I don't think I'd ever want to blend BWPS vocals with "real" Beach Boys vocals, but to me, the instrumental tracks are OK -- just like '66, it's music written and arranged by Brian Wilson, played by pros. So for "Child," I took the "tag" from the BWPS version (starting with the piano reprise/cello note) and just pasted right over the ending cello note of the BB "Child."

The tag on Child wasn't exactly written by Brian. Sure it quotes the "Surf's Up" melody but didn't Paul Mertens come up with the BWPS interludes?

HERE'S how I crossfade Child with Surf's Up... it works for me!
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« Reply #156 on: December 09, 2011, 11:18:22 PM »

Looking forward to it!
Thank you! It will include a 6 mn Wind Chimes so watch out!
It sounds like it's going to be rather long-winded. Grin
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« Reply #157 on: December 10, 2011, 01:42:27 AM »

Looking forward to it!
Thank you! It will include a 6 mn Wind Chimes so watch out!
It sounds like it's going to be rather long-winded. Grin
I'm actually working on a Smiley SMiLE blend of both songs! And I just realized that my only chance of having a stereo Wonderful is with using SOT 18 (stereo smiley smile version), so I guess that'll be a blend of both versions. I tried to slow down the speed of the SMile version backing track to adapt to the stereo SS version, sounds like it's gonna be difficult but possible.
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« Reply #158 on: December 10, 2011, 10:06:10 AM »

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I don't think I'd ever want to blend BWPS vocals with "real" Beach Boys vocals, but to me, the instrumental tracks are OK -- just like '66, it's music written and arranged by Brian Wilson, played by pros. So for "Child," I took the "tag" from the BWPS version (starting with the piano reprise/cello note) and just pasted right over the ending cello note of the BB "Child."

The tag on Child wasn't exactly written by Brian. Sure it quotes the "Surf's Up" melody but didn't Paul Mertens come up with the BWPS interludes?

HERE'S how I crossfade Child with Surf's Up... it works for me!

Interesting ... I think you made that edit one note too early, personally, and it's a little too abrupt a transition for me. I thought about trying to simulate the BWPS tag to "Child" using the TSS pieces for "Child" and "Surf's Up" 1st movement, but it would have been tricky, and the truth is, I was perfectly happy to use the BWPS recording of that tag. It fits very nicely to me, and I like the way it swells and fades (kinda like a wave) before "Surf's Up."

Also, as to the "authorship" of that tag -- it was music derived from Brian's compositions, so regardless of who actually put the notes on paper (I thought it was Darian, working with Brian), it's close enough for me!  Grin
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« Reply #159 on: December 10, 2011, 10:36:55 AM »

How is anybody's 'Complete SMiLE sessions' coming along? I am really interested in either hearing someones or getting a walkthrough to it....

Currently working on final touches and edits, and hoping to post in a few days.
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« Reply #160 on: December 15, 2011, 04:37:45 PM »

Sorry my heads gone alittle

erm, has there been a fanmix of TSS with flown in isolated vocals/bv's from BWPS done?
if there is i'd love to hear it, is there one in stereo too?

thanking all the good work on here!
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« Reply #161 on: December 15, 2011, 06:43:29 PM »

Sorry my heads gone alittle

erm, has there been a fanmix of TSS with flown in isolated vocals/bv's from BWPS done?
if there is i'd love to hear it, is there one in stereo too?

thanking all the good work on here!

http://icreateification.blogspot.com/2011/11/smile-ad-stereo-mix.html
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« Reply #162 on: December 15, 2011, 09:03:40 PM »

Sorry my heads gone alittle

erm, has there been a fanmix of TSS with flown in isolated vocals/bv's from BWPS done?
if there is i'd love to hear it, is there one in stereo too?

thanking all the good work on here!

http://icreateification.blogspot.com/2011/11/smile-ad-stereo-mix.html

No Holidays? Sad
great effort tho!
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« Reply #163 on: December 21, 2011, 04:09:12 PM »

Has anybody else attempted flying in BBs "rock, rock roll" vox on Holidays?  JMZ did that, as I recall, but it was pre-TSS and of overall low fidelity (though the fly-ins themselves sounded great).
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« Reply #164 on: December 21, 2011, 04:28:56 PM »

Has anybody else attempted flying in BBs "rock, rock roll" vox on Holidays?  JMZ did that, as I recall, but it was pre-TSS and of overall low fidelity (though the fly-ins themselves sounded great).
I recently tried out this Worms/Holiday edit and used some of  the BWPS vocals over the '66 track. This was my first trip to the dark side of using BWPS vocals, but they blend in OK and I think it turned out pretty good. The BB vocals just don't have the same spirit as the BWPS vocals unfortunately. It's here if you want to have a listen:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52684612/Do%20You%20Like%20Worms.mp3
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« Reply #165 on: December 21, 2011, 09:07:33 PM »

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I don't think I'd ever want to blend BWPS vocals with "real" Beach Boys vocals, but to me, the instrumental tracks are OK -- just like '66, it's music written and arranged by Brian Wilson, played by pros. So for "Child," I took the "tag" from the BWPS version (starting with the piano reprise/cello note) and just pasted right over the ending cello note of the BB "Child."

The tag on Child wasn't exactly written by Brian. Sure it quotes the "Surf's Up" melody but didn't Paul Mertens come up with the BWPS interludes?

HERE'S how I crossfade Child with Surf's Up... it works for me!

Interesting ... I think you made that edit one note too early, personally, and it's a little too abrupt a transition for me.

try THIS ONE
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« Reply #166 on: December 22, 2011, 12:08:23 AM »

I was going over and over the acapella "rock, rock roll" vox from the Backing Vocals montage from TSS tonight, seeing if they could be fit to Holidays, but you have to transpose them down about 5 steps to where they sound ridiculous.  The weird thing is that in JMZ's mix, it's like he's got them singing a different interval and they aren't as "slowed down" sounding as a result.  Like rather than the root and the major third (as on TSS, DYLW itself) it's the third and the fifth of the same major chord, transposed accordingly (I'm getting beyond the limits of my theory vocabulary here).  I don't even know where or how he got his isolated vox pre-TSS, or whether he ran them through some really heavy manual re-pitching, rather than just transposing the whole thing up or down.  I wish he posted more and could explain what he did...
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« Reply #167 on: December 22, 2011, 07:38:44 AM »

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I don't think I'd ever want to blend BWPS vocals with "real" Beach Boys vocals, but to me, the instrumental tracks are OK -- just like '66, it's music written and arranged by Brian Wilson, played by pros. So for "Child," I took the "tag" from the BWPS version (starting with the piano reprise/cello note) and just pasted right over the ending cello note of the BB "Child."

The tag on Child wasn't exactly written by Brian. Sure it quotes the "Surf's Up" melody but didn't Paul Mertens come up with the BWPS interludes?

HERE'S how I crossfade Child with Surf's Up... it works for me!

Interesting ... I think you made that edit one note too early, personally, and it's a little too abrupt a transition for me.

try THIS ONE

I like it!
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« Reply #168 on: December 31, 2011, 04:43:44 AM »

The basic mixes/reconstructions I made so far:


Gee - mono/stereo mixes without horn part, just a fade out
Heroes And Villains Part 2 - structure from new Part 2 mono mix, but using stereo sections from TSS
Heroes And Villains Stereo mix - 2nd chorus error fixed using the 1st chorus
Do You Like Worms - Complete fade restored
I'm In Great Shape - Mono/stereo mixes of the master take without the fly ins
Barnyard - edit using the sections with backing vocals and non of the fly ins, and a small part from the instrumental take
The Old Master Painter - Instrumental first part replaced by the same take (as TSS mono mix) from the sessions, to avoid the cross fade. I made the edit to the vocal a bit earlier, more like the original mono mix with vocal from '66.
Look - stereo mix
Child Is Father Of The Man - stereo and mono backing track like '66 mono backing track, 3-minute mono mix using TSS edited like '66 backing track
I Wanna Be Around - mono mix faded out.
Holidays - stereo mix, mono mix with original fade from the stereo master take
Wind Chimes - TSS sources edited like GV Box Set and the structure of all '66 mixes. THe extra instrumental bars edited out, and the fade is from the sessions disc, which is the same fade as the GV Box.
Water Chant - mono mix faded out.

I still want to make a few more basic mixes, Vega-Tables for example. I want to avoid the cross-fade and the extra instrumental bars if possible, are there any ideas on what the best way is to achieve that? I already tried to edit the first bars out, and it only seems to sound OK when I use a small fade in, which I actually try to avoid...
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« Reply #169 on: December 31, 2011, 03:21:55 PM »


Heroes And Villains Stereo mix - 2nd chorus error fixed using the 1st chorus


What 2nd chorus error?
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« Reply #170 on: December 31, 2011, 08:16:29 PM »

I still want to make a few more basic mixes, Vega-Tables for example. I want to avoid the cross-fade and the extra instrumental bars if possible, are there any ideas on what the best way is to achieve that? I already tried to edit the first bars out, and it only seems to sound OK when I use a small fade in, which I actually try to avoid...

What parts specifically?  I was able to edit out some things and insert a second of the tracking sections to replace were the residue of the crossfade would have been.  Does that even make sense?  :/
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« Reply #171 on: January 01, 2012, 12:33:02 AM »


Heroes And Villains Stereo mix - 2nd chorus error fixed using the 1st chorus


What 2nd chorus error?

There is a strange edit/click noise just a little moment after the 2nd chorus has started, and the first one doesn't have that.
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« Reply #172 on: January 01, 2012, 12:36:32 AM »

I still want to make a few more basic mixes, Vega-Tables for example. I want to avoid the cross-fade and the extra instrumental bars if possible, are there any ideas on what the best way is to achieve that? I already tried to edit the first bars out, and it only seems to sound OK when I use a small fade in, which I actually try to avoid...

What parts specifically?  I was able to edit out some things and insert a second of the tracking sections to replace were the residue of the crossfade would have been.  Does that even make sense?  :/

Hi soniclovenoize, first of all thanks for your fan mix!

Yeah, I also did that but Vega-Tables originally started with the vocal straightaway originally. I'm afraid that edit is only possible using a small fade in, but for just a clean start it is indeed an option to use a bit of the tracking sessions.
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« Reply #173 on: January 01, 2012, 10:48:25 AM »


There is a strange edit/click noise just a little moment after the 2nd chorus has started, and the first one doesn't have that.

I don't hear it.
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« Reply #174 on: January 01, 2012, 11:22:40 AM »


There is a strange edit/click noise just a little moment after the 2nd chorus has started, and the first one doesn't have that.

I don't hear it.

It might be possible to hear it on headphones only, listen for it in the right channel at around 3:32/3:33.
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