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« Reply #100 on: November 21, 2011, 10:08:45 AM »

It's in the center of the signal, I don't know. Try to OOPs it in Audacity (import track, click on the upper corner on the left of the track, click "split stereo track", then click on the same corner of each track, click "mono", so that you have 2 mono tracks instead of 1 stereo. then choose one of the tracks -not both-, go to "effects > invert)
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« Reply #101 on: November 21, 2011, 10:21:25 AM »

I'd sure like to hear it if you do.  3D
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« Reply #102 on: November 21, 2011, 11:07:08 AM »

I'm still trying to figure out how an "official release" of the Beach Boys contains altered vocals that hardly even resemble the Beach Boys. I really think that in 5-7 years a lot of people, including the compilers, are going to have regrets about many of the decisions that went into this project--the sort of things that i think might have seemed like a good idea in the short term, with disregard to the long term effects. I think time will prove that a straightforward raw sessions (the very thing that Linett and Boyd said would have been the undesirable alternative if there was no BWPS) would have been the best approach. I think, packaging aside (and that's a HUGE aside because the packaging is of the highest quality), history is going to look at this set as a bit of a blunder and a great missed opportunity. In a few years, Joe Public, and the need to meet the demands/expectations of that market, won't matter in the least. The public has a way of "catching up" with things that went over people's heads initially. People would have eventually come around and caught on to a raw sessions sort of box set (or abridged version) without the aid of the disc 1 estimation. And integrity and accuracy would have still been intact. Mark my words.
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« Reply #103 on: November 21, 2011, 12:09:04 PM »

It's in the center of the signal, I don't know. Try to OOPs it in Audacity (import track, click on the upper corner on the left of the track, click "split stereo track", then click on the same corner of each track, click "mono", so that you have 2 mono tracks instead of 1 stereo. then choose one of the tracks -not both-, go to "effects > invert)

Thanks Bleachboy, would you mind trying that in audacity to see if it works?
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« Reply #104 on: November 21, 2011, 12:48:20 PM »

It's in the center of the signal, I don't know. Try to OOPs it in Audacity (import track, click on the upper corner on the left of the track, click "split stereo track", then click on the same corner of each track, click "mono", so that you have 2 mono tracks instead of 1 stereo. then choose one of the tracks -not both-, go to "effects > invert)

Thanks Bleachboy, would you mind trying that in audacity to see if it works?
I would but I don't have the album
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« Reply #105 on: November 21, 2011, 03:19:37 PM »

Ok, so I set out to make two Smile fanmixes. One is the historical what-if-Smile-was-released-in-1967 mix. It is a very basic mix, in mono, and follows the 12 to 14 individual tracks that don't lead into one another. I am also avoiding any post-June '67 recordings done. So obviously no fly-ins and also no Cabin Essence lead vocals. Anyways, that is that one. My second fanmix is what I am calling my Y.G.F.A.A.Y.? mix. It is a no holds barred mix with no rules. I am using a lot of boot sources and using as much stereo as possible. Echo and panning are in wide use!!

However, while making the YGFAAY? mix I would finish with a certain section and leave it alone for a day or two. When I came back to it I realized that I was just following the 2004 structure and maybe adding a bit of my own flourish but still it was all 2004. Then I got to thinking. I am sure this is what happened with the assembled version we have on disc 1. While Mark Linnet and Alan Boyd set out to recreate the 2004 structure as much as possible, their own personality peeked through. This is why I believe some tracks have their blends and some don't. It was a personal choice by either Mr. Linnet or Mr. Boyd.

So, in order to get my YGFAAY? mix under way I had to do what subconsciously I was doing anyway -- make a 2004 reconstruction mix. So, here it is. A mix that follows the 2004 structure as much as possible, even more so than the assembled version from disc 1. I've only used The Smile Session sources and the biggest divergence is "I'm in Great Shape". Other than that it is just editing to make it flow and follow much more closely to BWPS. It is mp3 quality for now.

https://rapidshare.com/files/1378469503/Smile__P.J._s_2004_Reconstruction_Mix_.rar

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« Reply #106 on: November 21, 2011, 04:02:23 PM »

Ok, so I set out to make two Smile fanmixes. One is the historical what-if-Smile-was-released-in-1967 mix. It is a very basic mix, in mono, and follows the 12 to 14 individual tracks that don't lead into one another. I am also avoiding any post-June '67 recordings done. So obviously no fly-ins and also no Cabin Essence lead vocals. Anyways, that is that one. My second fanmix is what I am calling my Y.G.F.A.A.Y.? mix. It is a no holds barred mix with no rules. I am using a lot of boot sources and using as much stereo as possible. Echo and panning are in wide use!!
I like your approach, P.J.  I was thinking of doing something similar:  More of a classic, natural 12 track take on the first disc, no fly ins or later sessions (apart from Cabinessence!  The '68 version is absolutely part of the canon for me); maybe you could tack on some of the additional stuff at the end as bonus tracks.  Then I would do more of a BWPS/TSS approximation-style take, except I still think the album needs to end with Surf's Up one way or another (GV works well there in concert, but SU is the ultimate closing statement for SMiLE.).  I'll be curious to hear which version works better for me, but then there are so many viable configurations with this material . . .  Smokin
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« Reply #107 on: November 21, 2011, 05:44:34 PM »

I'm in heaven with all the fan mixes
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« Reply #108 on: November 21, 2011, 05:56:29 PM »

I'm in heaven with all the fan mixes

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« Reply #109 on: November 22, 2011, 07:11:49 AM »

Alright the link worked!! It was my second time sharing through RapidShare.

Upon further hearing of my mix the only think I dislike is the "Vega-Tables" (ballad insert) section. I should have used the Smiley Smiley/Wild Honey version to get ride of the whistle echo at the beginning. But I was only using The Smile Sessions material.
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« Reply #110 on: November 22, 2011, 07:54:12 AM »

Finally will get a chance to listen to these tomorrow
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« Reply #111 on: November 23, 2011, 09:40:19 PM »

Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys - SMiLE
The 3971 Edit
by Tygerbug

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UY3IFI00
314.82 MB FLAC

This edit attempts to combine the 1967 (ish) and 2004 recordings of Brian Wilson's SMiLE into one complete piece.

1967 + 2004 = 3971.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AW3DV41D
143.03 MB MP3 version

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2DCIUWUM
583.91 MB WAV version

Or here, as one long single track in FLAC.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HZXF6L6M
File description: Beach Boys/ Brian Wilson SMiLE 3971 Edit - as one track in FLAC
File size: 314.79 MB

Do you like both the original Beach Boys SMiLE recordings and Brian's 2004 performance? Do you often find yourself, when listening to one of them, wishing you were listening to the other, just to hear a bit of music or lyric you're missing?

The Beach Boys recordings have a quality that the 2004 performance can't touch. However, the 2004 album contains lyrics and music that don't exist in any 60s form, and shapes the SMiLE album into a surprisingly coherent whole.

A professional release couldn't merge the two; that's musical sacrilege.

But for the purposes of this edit, that's exactly what I've done - switch back and forth from 60s recordings to 2004 ones within the same track, so that nearly every piece of music or lyric you might want to hear is there.

And it's nearly all in stereo!

I tried something very unusual with the "Water" section - Recorded as I Love to Say Da Da, Cool Cool Water, and In Blue Hawaii. I extended this section to quite a length, deciding to use all three songs, plus the unrelated song "Little Pad" from the Smiley Smile album. So this is essentially In Blue Hawaii from the 2004 album, with sections of Cool Cool Water and Little Pad interspersed.

If you think that's dumb, the extensions are their own track and can be removed to leave just In Blue Hawaii.

Also, the bonus track "He Gives Speeches" is now combined with Smiley Smile's "She's Goin' Bald" as one track.

Apart from that, all of the material is from the 2011 Smile sessions boxset or the 2004 Brian Wilson Smile album.

However, I used other people's fanedits for many of the tracks. Soniclovenoize's stereo version of SMiLE was used for many of the 60s tracks, notably his version of Good Vibrations with the original lyrics.

Bruiteur's versions of Barnyard and I'm in Great Shape were used, which cleans up the piano demos for a much clearer vocal - although Barnyard is the stereo take on that by another fan. I also used Bruiteur's "Wonderful," which marries the 60s vocal to the 2004 instruments.

I believe I used adam78's mono edits in places as well. Not sure though, as I tried to avoid mono.

"You're Welcome," "He Gives Speeches" and a few later Beach Boys tracks are thrown on as bonuses.

Enjoy!

Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys - SMiLE
The 3971 Edit
by Tygerbug

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UY3IFI00
314.82 MB FLAC


http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AW3DV41D
143.03 MB MP3 version

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2DCIUWUM
583.91 MB WAV version

Or here, as one long single track in FLAC.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HZXF6L6M
File description: Beach Boys/ Brian Wilson SMiLE 3971 Edit - as one track in FLAC
File size: 314.79 MB
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« Reply #112 on: November 24, 2011, 10:39:58 AM »

My stereo Great Shape with restored echo tape frenzy is now complete, no more synch issues as far as I am concerned
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« Reply #113 on: November 24, 2011, 10:41:07 AM »

Can anybody give me a link to Bruiteur's clean Barnyard?
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« Reply #114 on: November 24, 2011, 07:41:35 PM »

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« Reply #115 on: November 25, 2011, 05:42:52 AM »

Bruiteur has posted his edits elsewhere on this board, so it's probably fine to post these links to Barnyard, Great Shape and Wonderful.

http://oron.com/qcxlb2ls4ib7
http://oron.com/m6whllytlpll
http://oron.com/kx8j21oko13j

I'm now updated my own edit with his Great Shape.


Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys - SMiLE
The 3971 Edit
by Tygerbug

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UY3IFI00
314.82 MB FLAC
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« Reply #116 on: November 25, 2011, 02:44:09 PM »

I isolated the clarinet as best I could from BWPS and put it on Look.
Crossfaded Wonderful and Look so they are one track.
Removed the fade on Look so it flows right into Child.
Put Child in BWPS order and crossfaded it with SU.

sounds great and i prefer these 4 songs as one flowing movement a la BWPS
I also like the alternate version of Child before Wonderful to kick off the movement with the "mission pak" snippet right before Wonderful

pm me if you'd like to hear these. my youtubes are getting pulled  Undecided
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« Reply #117 on: November 26, 2011, 01:46:17 PM »

Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys - SMiLE
The 3971 Edit
by Tygerbug

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UY3IFI00
314.82 MB FLAC

This edit attempts to combine the 1967 (ish) and 2004 recordings of Brian Wilson's SMiLE into one complete piece.

1967 + 2004 = 3971.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AW3DV41D
143.03 MB MP3 version

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2DCIUWUM
583.91 MB WAV version

Or here, as one long single track in FLAC.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HZXF6L6M
File description: Beach Boys/ Brian Wilson SMiLE 3971 Edit - as one track in FLAC
File size: 314.79 MB

Do you like both the original Beach Boys SMiLE recordings and Brian's 2004 performance? Do you often find yourself, when listening to one of them, wishing you were listening to the other, just to hear a bit of music or lyric you're missing?

The Beach Boys recordings have a quality that the 2004 performance can't touch. However, the 2004 album contains lyrics and music that don't exist in any 60s form, and shapes the SMiLE album into a surprisingly coherent whole.

A professional release couldn't merge the two; that's musical sacrilege.

But for the purposes of this edit, that's exactly what I've done - switch back and forth from 60s recordings to 2004 ones within the same track, so that nearly every piece of music or lyric you might want to hear is there.

And it's nearly all in stereo!

I tried something very unusual with the "Water" section - Recorded as I Love to Say Da Da, Cool Cool Water, and In Blue Hawaii. I extended this section to quite a length, deciding to use all three songs, plus the unrelated song "Little Pad" from the Smiley Smile album. So this is essentially In Blue Hawaii from the 2004 album, with sections of Cool Cool Water and Little Pad interspersed.

If you think that's dumb, the extensions are their own track and can be removed to leave just In Blue Hawaii.

Also, the bonus track "He Gives Speeches" is now combined with Smiley Smile's "She's Goin' Bald" as one track.

Apart from that, all of the material is from the 2011 Smile sessions boxset or the 2004 Brian Wilson Smile album.

However, I used other people's fanedits for many of the tracks. Soniclovenoize's stereo version of SMiLE was used for many of the 60s tracks, notably his version of Good Vibrations with the original lyrics.

Bruiteur's versions of Barnyard and I'm in Great Shape were used, which cleans up the piano demos for a much clearer vocal - although Barnyard is the stereo take on that by another fan. I also used Bruiteur's "Wonderful," which marries the 60s vocal to the 2004 instruments.

I believe I used adam78's mono edits in places as well. Not sure though, as I tried to avoid mono.

"You're Welcome," "He Gives Speeches" and a few later Beach Boys tracks are thrown on as bonuses.

Enjoy!

Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys - SMiLE
The 3971 Edit
by Tygerbug

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UY3IFI00
314.82 MB FLAC


http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AW3DV41D
143.03 MB MP3 version

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2DCIUWUM
583.91 MB WAV version

Or here, as one long single track in FLAC.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HZXF6L6M
File description: Beach Boys/ Brian Wilson SMiLE 3971 Edit - as one track in FLAC
File size: 314.79 MB


Yeah....

None of these downloads work. They won't open up correctly once they've been unzipped.

EDIT: Did a little messing around and got them to work.

Overall, commendable job. It's a littler rough in spots, particularly in the Water section; it was a little disjointed with all the back and forth between the Blue Hawaii and "Cool, Cool Water" sections, but an admirable attempt nonetheless.
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« Reply #118 on: November 26, 2011, 02:03:50 PM »

Bruiteur has posted his edits elsewhere on this board, so it's probably fine to post these links to Barnyard, Great Shape and Wonderful.

http://oron.com/qcxlb2ls4ib7
http://oron.com/m6whllytlpll
http://oron.com/kx8j21oko13j

I'm now updated my own edit with his Great Shape.


Brian Wilson and the Beach Boys - SMiLE
The 3971 Edit
by Tygerbug

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UY3IFI00
314.82 MB FLAC


Where did Bruiteur upload this Wonderful track and what actually is it. I cannot get that oron.com site to ever let me download anything.
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« Reply #119 on: November 27, 2011, 07:46:41 AM »

Wonderful is Brian's 66ish vocals, with the backing track from the 2004 version instead.
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« Reply #120 on: November 27, 2011, 01:43:21 PM »

Wonderful is Brian's 66ish vocals, with the backing track from the 2004 version instead.

Ah, right thanks. Can't understand the point of that one myself.
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« Reply #121 on: November 27, 2011, 08:28:46 PM »

Well, the 2004 one has more instruments in it, the clarinet in particular, and a bigger, more sweeping feel.
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« Reply #122 on: November 28, 2011, 03:48:00 AM »

Well, the 2004 one has more instruments in it, the clarinet in particular, and a bigger, more sweeping feel.

Yes, but it doesn't sound as nice as the original. I'd like to hear this version but oron keeps telling me I have to wait 2 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds to download. It doesn't count it down though, so you wait three hours press refresh and then it tells you to wait another 2+ hours. Not to sound ungrateful, but why anyone would chose to upload onto a two-bit site like that given the multitude of other superior sites out there, I cannot comprehend.
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« Reply #123 on: November 28, 2011, 05:01:25 PM »

Oron makes me wait 60 seconds, like most download sites. I think you're doing it wrong.
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« Reply #124 on: November 30, 2011, 08:28:39 PM »

I took a different (in some cases an entirely opposite) approach in my new mixes compared to many of you. Rather than "remaking" Smile (again) in my own image, I've just made some further "enhancements" to some of the disk one tracks to render it even more "complete" to my ears. Basically, more "fly ins", but I worked very hard to integrate these into the existing disc one tracks without affecting the quality... please let me know what you think.

My current listening sequence of Smile is quite simply the disc one assembly, with the exception of Bruiteur's "cleaned" IIGS and Barnyard and the following tracks:

Do You Like Worms - with the "new" melody line from the sessions integrated into the second verse: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FXPU9OI3

Wonderful - simply with an edit at the end so it flows directly into "Look". Don't DL this unless you've heard and enjoy my edit of "Look":  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3A7Q7885

Look - Beach Boys "won won wonderful" vocals in the beginning section courtesy of the JMZ mix. The clarinet line from BWPS is integrated into the choruses (this is the only element I added to any of these tracks that wasn't "vintage", but I made an exception since we know it existed as tape bleed and it's nonvocal). Sounds pretty nice!: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Q0C8UK7A

Holidays  - with Beach Boys "rock rock roll" vocals integrated into the second chorus (just where they appeared in BWPS) courtesy of the JMZ mix: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=W481WC2O

I know, who wants *more* fly-ins? But I figured, they'd gone far enough already, why not take it all the way? Hope someone enjoys these! Feedback is welcome.
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