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« Reply #75 on: January 15, 2015, 12:10:52 PM »

I have nothing to add to this particular discussion except that I agree, the box set is well put together and the booklet is a treat. My Only criticism is that VDP didn't get an essay into the book. That is a glaring and inexcusable omission.
Wasn't that by his own doing? I think he has stated that he was finished with Smile with Brian's release.
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« Reply #76 on: January 15, 2015, 12:28:26 PM »

I have nothing to add to this particular discussion except that I agree, the box set is well put together and the booklet is a treat. My Only criticism is that VDP didn't get an essay into the book. That is a glaring and inexcusable omission.

Van Dyke chose not to participate in the preparation of the box. I'm sure they would have been delighted to run an essay -- a haiku, anything -- from the man.

He and Brian had a nasty falling out sometime between TLOS and TSS. He's been positively acerbic about BW for the last several years.
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« Reply #77 on: January 15, 2015, 12:53:52 PM »

I have nothing to add to this particular discussion except that I agree, the box set is well put together and the booklet is a treat. My Only criticism is that VDP didn't get an essay into the book. That is a glaring and inexcusable omission.

It really is inexcusable.  It doesn't put Van in a good light with fans who were looking forward to his recollections in the booklet.  I don't think he would have that around 2004, when he actually attended Brian's Smile show in London.
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« Reply #78 on: January 15, 2015, 04:48:29 PM »

Wasn't Van Dyke not on great terms with Team Brian at the time? Either way, if it was on his part of their part, you would hope they could set that aside for something like this.
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« Reply #79 on: January 15, 2015, 06:02:35 PM »

I have nothing to add to this particular discussion except that I agree, the box set is well put together and the booklet is a treat. My Only criticism is that VDP didn't get an essay into the book. That is a glaring and inexcusable omission.
Wasn't that by his own doing? I think he has stated that he was finished with Smile with Brian's release.

Is it really so hard to take an hour or two and write up a quick page in Word detailing your goals for the project, the general atmosphere of the sessions, why exactly you quit (and then came back and quit again), any particularly meaningful anecdotes you recall and maybe how your thoughts on it has changed over the years? Even if he subscribes to the ideology that BWPS is the finished thing and his work is done...it's just...well, why WOULDNT you want to include your say in the big release that's been almost 50 years in the making? Even if you don't want to, it'd just be the professional thing to do. This is such an important, mythical product I honestly cannot fathom how or why he would allow his very important insight to be excluded. It's like a filmmaker in this day and age not doing a commentary track for the bluray...but like...times a hundred.

I have nothing to add to this particular discussion except that I agree, the box set is well put together and the booklet is a treat. My Only criticism is that VDP didn't get an essay into the book. That is a glaring and inexcusable omission.

Van Dyke chose not to participate in the preparation of the box. I'm sure they would have been delighted to run an essay -- a haiku, anything -- from the man.

He and Brian had a nasty falling out sometime between TLOS and TSS. He's been positively acerbic about BW for the last several years.

Really? Thats a damn shame Embarrassed Why so much bad blood between Brian and so many of his past friends/associates? And even so, no excuse for not writing a paragraph at least. Say what you will about Mike, at least he said what he felt about the project honestly and without pretension. VDP, as I see it, owed us at least some kinda reflection here. It was, depending on your interpretation, 25% ~ 50% his album. I know people get offended when fans act like celebrities owe them something. But this is a special case. A once-in-a-lifetime, legendary work of art, withheld from its fans until now, and Brian is mostly unwilling or unable to talk about it, at least in much depth. VDP is then, by default, the leading authority on the subject. He should state what he knows as honestly and completely as possible for the sake of historical preservation regardless of his feelings on Brian or SMiLE. Period.


I have nothing to add to this particular discussion except that I agree, the box set is well put together and the booklet is a treat. My Only criticism is that VDP didn't get an essay into the book. That is a glaring and inexcusable omission.

It really is inexcusable.  It doesn't put Van in a good light with fans who were looking forward to his recollections in the booklet.  I don't think he would have that around 2004, when he actually attended Brian's Smile show in London.

We agree on something SMiLE related?? Shocked

Yeah, I can say for myself that I now think much less of him as a person. No need to make us fans and the historical record suffer over some petty feud.
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« Reply #80 on: January 15, 2015, 09:26:51 PM »

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Yes, Van Dyke not contributing to the TSS booklet and the "Truck Drivin' Man" section being left out. I've reconciled with the later issue somewhat, understanding that the vocals were added to Cabinessence in 1968, a couple of years after the sessions were over. But still, it's a part of the final song coming together for release and it just sounds neat by itself before being mixed down into the track. I suppose these lyrics were written by Van in 1966 and originally intended for inclusion into the song then and then "found" and sung by Dennis in 1968. Or was the section recorded in '68 and Carl or somebody thought they would sound great in the background of Cabinessence? I'm thinking the former is true....
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« Reply #81 on: January 15, 2015, 09:35:54 PM »

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Yes, Van Dyke not contributing to the TSS booklet and the "Truck Drivin' Man" section being left out. I've reconciled with the later issue somewhat, understanding that the vocals were added to Cabinessence in 1968, a couple of years after the sessions were over. But still, it's a part of the final song coming together for release and it just sounds neat by itself before being mixed down into the track. I suppose these lyrics were written by Van in 1966 and originally intended for inclusion into the song then and then "found" and sung by Dennis in 1968. Or was the section recorded in '68 and Carl or somebody thought they would sound great in the background of Cabinessence? I'm thinking the former is true....

Again, there's also the Reconnected Telephone lyrics no one seems to talk about. Unless I'm very wrong, both are vintage 1966, but for some reason one was used and the other scrapped. A real shame, because I think it'd be cool to have both. And yes, no excuse to leave TDM off the boxset. They cant even use the "but it wasnt recorded in 1966 or 1967" excuse since they included the Cool Cool Water sessions from late '67/early '68 and even freaking Three Blind Mice from 1965 which has NO SMiLE CONNECTION WHATSOEVER.
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« Reply #82 on: January 15, 2015, 09:51:18 PM »

They cant even use the "but it wasnt recorded in 1966 or 1967" excuse since they included the Cool Cool Water sessions from late '67/early '68 and even freaking Three Blind Mice from 1965 which has NO SMiLE CONNECTION WHATSOEVER.

This is true - I just realized that. Cool Cool Water material from the Wild Honey sessions was included in addition to the 'Water chant' segment from '66. No reason not to include a small piece recorded in '68 (Cabinessence). 
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« Reply #83 on: January 17, 2015, 04:30:47 AM »

They cant even use the "but it wasnt recorded in 1966 or 1967" excuse since they included the Cool Cool Water sessions from late '67/early '68 and even freaking Three Blind Mice from 1965 which has NO SMiLE CONNECTION WHATSOEVER.

This is true - I just realized that. Cool Cool Water material from the Wild Honey sessions was included in addition to the 'Water chant' segment from '66. No reason not to include a small piece recorded in '68 (Cabinessence). 

Pretty much this. As much as we all love it, there's a lot of bad decisions they made for that box set.
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« Reply #84 on: January 05, 2016, 05:57:30 PM »

Last Christmas I received the deluxe boxset and the two LPs had skips in them.  I returned it (couldn't do an exchange for some odd reason) and kinda forgot about it since I already downloaded the music from the CDs.  I got it again this Christmas and had the same issue.  Are there any other reports out there of this issue?  If anyone looks at this thread anymore lol.  I was able to do an exchange this time (but they're out of stock, so I have to wait).
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« Reply #85 on: January 10, 2016, 03:41:25 PM »

Last Christmas I received the deluxe boxset and the two LPs had skips in them.  I returned it (couldn't do an exchange for some odd reason) and kinda forgot about it since I already downloaded the music from the CDs.  I got it again this Christmas and had the same issue.  Are there any other reports out there of this issue?  If anyone looks at this thread anymore lol.  I was able to do an exchange this time (but they're out of stock, so I have to wait).

Got the reshipment... and the same issues are there.  I guess I'll have to contact Capitol since I have a feeling they're all like this.
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« Reply #86 on: January 15, 2016, 06:58:33 AM »

Last Christmas I received the deluxe boxset and the two LPs had skips in them.  I returned it (couldn't do an exchange for some odd reason) and kinda forgot about it since I already downloaded the music from the CDs.  I got it again this Christmas and had the same issue.  Are there any other reports out there of this issue?  If anyone looks at this thread anymore lol.  I was able to do an exchange this time (but they're out of stock, so I have to wait).

Got the reshipment... and the same issues are there.  I guess I'll have to contact Capitol since I have a feeling they're all like this.

Can you tell us where the two skips are? Cause I have the LP and I don't notice any skips on them at all. Maybe it's a problem with your record player by any chance?
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« Reply #87 on: February 26, 2016, 02:10:45 PM »

 It is with some trepidation that I make this admission, but I currently have no turntable. In 2009 we moved, and I gave my turntable, receiver, speakers and all my LPs to my daughter and her husband, as they are good kids that like LPs and good music. Due to the move, extremely laziness, etc, I still have no turntable. I've been content with my setup via the computer. Sounds good, easy, no clutter.
 The Smile Sessions LPs have been sitting in their sleeves since the release. My daughter lives in another state, and I've never (lazy) got around to trying to coordinate any re-recording.

Other than a few stereo mixes, just how much have I been missing out on? Is it just the stereo mixes, etc on LP 2, side 2?
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« Reply #88 on: March 18, 2016, 07:17:54 PM »

Other than a few stereo mixes, just how much have I been missing out on? Is it just the stereo mixes, etc on LP 2, side 2?
Just the stereo mixes.
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« Reply #89 on: July 17, 2018, 06:22:01 PM »

That's weird? I can see them. I'll have to upload again after work.

I can see them too. The light up box looks fantastic! Almost makes me wish I splurged on it instead of the regular box.

Just want to say that 6 years after making the above comment, I went ahead and splurged on the light-up edition of the box. Here are some photos of mine:





I was shocked to discover that these are still available via The Beach Boys official website. If anyone here is on the fence about buying this version of the box set let me say that I don't regret my decision at all. Yes it costs more than a pretty penny, but as sidewinder stated the box is just so freaking cool and having Brian's autograph on it is just amazing. It's also an excellent collector's piece. According to Perry Cox's new "Price and Reference Guide for The Beach Boys American Records" book only 50 of these light-up editions were produced, but less were sold (fortunately for me Grin).
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« Reply #90 on: July 17, 2018, 06:31:45 PM »

Thats awesome!
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« Reply #91 on: July 17, 2018, 07:14:40 PM »

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« Reply #92 on: September 07, 2018, 02:35:59 PM »

I have nothing to add to this particular discussion except that I agree, the box set is well put together and the booklet is a treat. My Only criticism is that VDP didn't get an essay into the book. That is a glaring and inexcusable omission.

It really is inexcusable.  It doesn't put Van in a good light with fans who were looking forward to his recollections in the booklet.  I don't think he would have that around 2004, when he actually attended Brian's Smile show in London.

I don't think people understand the context of Van's not writing anything for the booklet.  My understanding is that Capitol was negotiating the rights to Frank's artwork, and were offering an insultingly low amount, which he refused - and there was talk of not using the original artwork at all!! Van was appalled at this and was justifiably angry at Capitol and I suppose by extension Brian's team for not standing up for Frank.  This is how Van ended up not writing anything for the box.  By the time the art payment issues were worked out it was either too late or Van was no longer interested in writing something for the project.

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