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Author Topic: The REAL reason Brian abandoned SMiLE?  (Read 41153 times)
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« Reply #175 on: April 02, 2014, 04:35:10 AM »

I'm beginning to sympathize with imaginary Brian. I've had my feelings hurt recently by a few boarders' insults, insinuations, and criticisms, both intentional and unintentional, over some imaginary agenda. I'm still waiting for my public apology.

Oh imaginary Brian, I feel your imaginary pain!

Sarcasm of that level somehow doesn't surprise me. I personally think it's kind of low. Neither you nor I can fundamentally prove what Brian's feelings were/weren't at the time, but at least I only speak in hypotheticals and state my *opinion* of what I think his probable state of mind/feelings were... whereas you come off as parading around what you believe to be absolute, indisputable "facts".

If Brian told you personally that, irregardless of drugs, that he felt certain feelings about certain people's actions at the time, you'd still find a way to say that his feelings were 100% "not valid" and were absolutely imaginary, even though he felt them - right?

Serious question.  

Second serious question: would you tell that to his face?

More accusations, more insults hurting my feelings over something imaginary. No apology.
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« Reply #176 on: April 02, 2014, 04:56:48 AM »


He may not in his heart think he acted like a jerk. Most probably. But I wonder if in Mike's heart, despite that he has never publicly said so... would he do things even slightly differently with hindsight if he could go back in time? I think he probably would, even if only just a tiny bit.

Fine. You think he may have done things a tiny bit differently. Not worthy of 2 threads then.  Smiley
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« Reply #177 on: April 02, 2014, 08:07:28 AM »

Wow, this thread went to hell right quick.
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« Reply #178 on: April 02, 2014, 09:18:46 AM »

Even if this did happen, I don't think it illustrates what you fellas think it does. JMO. If you look at the whole picture, Brian is anything but fragile or indecisive. The guy just happened to agree with what Brian was already thinking, otherwise he wouldn't have asked imo.

How would you know what Brian was thinking about Little Honda? If that happened to me and I watched that song become a hit for someone else I would be thinking "I shouldn't have listened to that guy".
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« Reply #179 on: April 02, 2014, 09:21:41 AM »

Wow, this thread went to hell right quick.

Wrong. It went to hell a long time ago.

This is just a revival.  Wink
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« Reply #180 on: April 02, 2014, 09:27:45 AM »

Wow, this thread went to hell right quick.

Wrong. It went to hell a long time ago.

This is just a revival.  Wink
Any thread about Smile, Mike, Brian & VDP goes to hell as soon as the first person responds to it. And, if we go back to any other thread about Smile's demise, it is always the same old argument over & over. We've beaten this dead horse a 100 times over. Oy! Wink
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« Reply #181 on: April 02, 2014, 09:32:42 AM »

Wow, this thread went to hell right quick.

Wrong. It went to hell a long time ago.

This is just a revival.  Wink
Any thread about Smile, Mike, Brian & VDP goes to hell as soon as the first person responds to it. And, if we go back to any other thread about Smile's demise, it is always the same old argument over & over. We've beaten this dead horse a 100 times over. Oy! Wink

At least 100 times, and not just on this board.  Some people love to revive and regurgitate it.
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« Reply #182 on: April 02, 2014, 09:41:25 AM »

Even if this did happen, I don't think it illustrates what you fellas think it does. JMO. If you look at the whole picture, Brian is anything but fragile or indecisive. The guy just happened to agree with what Brian was already thinking, otherwise he wouldn't have asked imo.

How would you know what Brian was thinking about Little Honda? If that happened to me and I watched that song become a hit for someone else I would be thinking "I shouldn't have listened to that guy".

I don't know, it's my opinion as labeled for the reasons I stated.
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« Reply #183 on: April 02, 2014, 10:19:42 AM »

I'm beginning to sympathize with imaginary Brian. I've had my feelings hurt recently by a few boarders' insults, insinuations, and criticisms, both intentional and unintentional, over some imaginary agenda. I'm still waiting for my public apology.

Oh imaginary Brian, I feel your imaginary pain!

Sarcasm of that level somehow doesn't surprise me. I personally think it's kind of low. Neither you nor I can fundamentally prove what Brian's feelings were/weren't at the time, but at least I only speak in hypotheticals and state my *opinion* of what I think his probable state of mind/feelings were... whereas you come off as parading around what you believe to be absolute, indisputable "facts".

If Brian told you personally that, irregardless of drugs, that he felt certain feelings about certain people's actions at the time, you'd still find a way to say that his feelings were 100% "not valid" and were absolutely imaginary, even though he felt them - right?

Serious question.  

Second serious question: would you tell that to his face?

A thread like this needs to be extinguished if mere "sarcasm" is seen as something "low" .....
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« Reply #184 on: April 02, 2014, 10:22:55 AM »

Wow, this thread went to hell right quick.

Wrong. It went to hell a long time ago.

This is just a revival.  Wink
Any thread about Smile, Mike, Brian & VDP goes to hell as soon as the first person responds to it. And, if we go back to any other thread about Smile's demise, it is always the same old argument over & over. We've beaten this dead horse a 100 times over. Oy! Wink

At least 100 times, and not just on this board.  Some people love to revive and regurgitate it.

I see no problem discussing it. Remember, not everyone's been on the board here forever. However, once it descends into back and forth bickering with no new info or thoughtful speculation coming out, it's useless.
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« Reply #185 on: April 02, 2014, 10:52:01 AM »

I'm beginning to sympathize with imaginary Brian. I've had my feelings hurt recently by a few boarders' insults, insinuations, and criticisms, both intentional and unintentional, over some imaginary agenda. I'm still waiting for my public apology.

Oh imaginary Brian, I feel your imaginary pain!

Sarcasm of that level somehow doesn't surprise me. I personally think it's kind of low. Neither you nor I can fundamentally prove what Brian's feelings were/weren't at the time, but at least I only speak in hypotheticals and state my *opinion* of what I think his probable state of mind/feelings were... whereas you come off as parading around what you believe to be absolute, indisputable "facts".

If Brian told you personally that, irregardless of drugs, that he felt certain feelings about certain people's actions at the time, you'd still find a way to say that his feelings were 100% "not valid" and were absolutely imaginary, even though he felt them - right?

Serious question.  

Second serious question: would you tell that to his face?

More accusations, more insults hurting my feelings over something imaginary. No apology.

And yet my questions both go unanswered.
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« Reply #186 on: April 02, 2014, 10:58:51 AM »

I'm beginning to sympathize with imaginary Brian. I've had my feelings hurt recently by a few boarders' insults, insinuations, and criticisms, both intentional and unintentional, over some imaginary agenda. I'm still waiting for my public apology.

Oh imaginary Brian, I feel your imaginary pain!

Sarcasm of that level somehow doesn't surprise me. I personally think it's kind of low. Neither you nor I can fundamentally prove what Brian's feelings were/weren't at the time, but at least I only speak in hypotheticals and state my *opinion* of what I think his probable state of mind/feelings were... whereas you come off as parading around what you believe to be absolute, indisputable "facts".

If Brian told you personally that, irregardless of drugs, that he felt certain feelings about certain people's actions at the time, you'd still find a way to say that his feelings were 100% "not valid" and were absolutely imaginary, even though he felt them - right?

Serious question.  

Second serious question: would you tell that to his face?

A thread like this needs to be extinguished if mere "sarcasm" is seen as something "low" .....

An entire post dedicated solely to scathing sarcasm? If not outright low, the post should qualify as being 100% passive aggressive in nature, and not contributing anything whatsoever of worth to the discussion. It's not a response to a question, but rather a scathing attempt to diminish one side's point of view and literally teasing the assumed feelings of someone that neither of us personally know. Hell, I'm big enough to say that we're simply discussing our opinions of the assumed feelings of others. IMO, the only way a remark like that (the wording of which sounds like a playground bully making fun of someone) could be seen as anything *but* low is if it were grounded in 100% provable truth, which it isn't.

Sorry, I just find teasing about someone's feelings to be low, even if we are just talking about assumptions here.
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« Reply #187 on: April 02, 2014, 10:59:37 AM »

I'm beginning to sympathize with imaginary Brian. I've had my feelings hurt recently by a few boarders' insults, insinuations, and criticisms, both intentional and unintentional, over some imaginary agenda. I'm still waiting for my public apology.

Oh imaginary Brian, I feel your imaginary pain!

Sarcasm of that level somehow doesn't surprise me. I personally think it's kind of low. Neither you nor I can fundamentally prove what Brian's feelings were/weren't at the time, but at least I only speak in hypotheticals and state my *opinion* of what I think his probable state of mind/feelings were... whereas you come off as parading around what you believe to be absolute, indisputable "facts".

If Brian told you personally that, irregardless of drugs, that he felt certain feelings about certain people's actions at the time, you'd still find a way to say that his feelings were 100% "not valid" and were absolutely imaginary, even though he felt them - right?

Serious question.  

Second serious question: would you tell that to his face?

More accusations, more insults hurting my feelings over something imaginary. No apology.

And yet my questions both go unanswered.

why should anyone have to answer imaginary questions asked about imaginary scenarios?

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« Reply #188 on: April 02, 2014, 11:00:58 AM »

I'm beginning to sympathize with imaginary Brian. I've had my feelings hurt recently by a few boarders' insults, insinuations, and criticisms, both intentional and unintentional, over some imaginary agenda. I'm still waiting for my public apology.

Oh imaginary Brian, I feel your imaginary pain!

Sarcasm of that level somehow doesn't surprise me. I personally think it's kind of low. Neither you nor I can fundamentally prove what Brian's feelings were/weren't at the time, but at least I only speak in hypotheticals and state my *opinion* of what I think his probable state of mind/feelings were... whereas you come off as parading around what you believe to be absolute, indisputable "facts".

If Brian told you personally that, irregardless of drugs, that he felt certain feelings about certain people's actions at the time, you'd still find a way to say that his feelings were 100% "not valid" and were absolutely imaginary, even though he felt them - right?

Serious question.  

Second serious question: would you tell that to his face?

A thread like this needs to be extinguished if mere "sarcasm" is seen as something "low" .....

An entire post dedicated solely to scathing sarcasm? If not outright low, the post should qualify as being 100% passive aggressive in nature, and not contributing anything whatsoever of worth to the discussion. It's not a response to a question, but rather a scathing attempt to diminish one side's point of view and the assumed feelings of someone that neither of us personally know. Hell, I'm big enough to say that we're simply discussing our opinions of the assumed feelings of others. IMO, the only way a remark like that (the wording of which sounds like a playground bully making fun of someone) could be seen as anything *but* low is if it were grounded in 100% provable truth, which it isn't.

There is no discussion here! Just you imagining things and then demanding that others join in and somehow prove your imaginary scenarios as correct.

But I'll play along....

If Brian told me that stuff in private, of course I would not make light of his opinions, and I would consider them 100% valid and I would be as sensitive with him as possible.

But I don't know Brian and if I met him I most certainly wouldn't launch into a discussion of said subject.... And if I did, I've the distinct feeling he'd likely go "huh"?

I also suggested you write Mike a fan letter, which is probably the most worthwhile contribution to this thread, since it suggests taking action and possibly arriving at a conclusion.
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« Reply #189 on: April 02, 2014, 11:18:02 AM »


He may not in his heart think he acted like a jerk. Most probably. But I wonder if in Mike's heart, despite that he has never publicly said so... would he do things even slightly differently with hindsight if he could go back in time? I think he probably would, even if only just a tiny bit.

Fine. You think he may have done things a tiny bit differently. Not worthy of 2 threads then.  Smiley

You're just restating my feelings on this subject, for no apparent reason that I can see.
I'd be curious to know your thoughts on the matter.
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« Reply #190 on: April 02, 2014, 11:22:42 AM »


He may not in his heart think he acted like a jerk. Most probably. But I wonder if in Mike's heart, despite that he has never publicly said so... would he do things even slightly differently with hindsight if he could go back in time? I think he probably would, even if only just a tiny bit.

Fine. You think he may have done things a tiny bit differently. Not worthy of 2 threads then.  Smiley

You're just restating my feelings on this subject, for no apparent reason that I can see.
I'd be curious to know your thoughts on the matter.

Don't bother. This conversation is going nowhere fast, neither of you are gonna convince the other.
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« Reply #191 on: April 02, 2014, 12:01:18 PM »

Wow, this thread went to hell right quick.

Wrong. It went to hell a long time ago.

This is just a revival.  Wink
Any thread about Smile, Mike, Brian & VDP goes to hell as soon as the first person responds to it. And, if we go back to any other thread about Smile's demise, it is always the same old argument over & over. We've beaten this dead horse a 100 times over. Oy! Wink

At least 100 times, and not just on this board.  Some people love to revive and regurgitate it.

I see no problem discussing it. Remember, not everyone's been on the board here forever. However, once it descends into back and forth bickering with no new info or thoughtful speculation coming out, it's useless.
All of the posts are still here to read if one will use the Search function. Should you do that, you will see that all that has transpired here, transpired before. Using Yogi Berra's famous line "It's deja vu, all over again." Wink
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Thou Art In Hawthorne,
Harmonied Be Thy name
Your Kingdom Come,
Your Steak Well Done,
On Stage As It Is In Studio,
Give Us This Day, Our Shortenin' Bread
And Forgive Us Our Bootlegs,
As We Also Have Forgiven Our Wife And Managers,
And Lead Us Not Into Kokomo,
But Deliver Us From Mike Love.
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« Reply #192 on: April 02, 2014, 12:04:13 PM »

God Only Knows what happened during the SMiLE saga.
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« Reply #193 on: April 02, 2014, 12:16:18 PM »

Wow, this thread went to hell right quick.

Wrong. It went to hell a long time ago.

This is just a revival.  Wink
Any thread about Smile, Mike, Brian & VDP goes to hell as soon as the first person responds to it. And, if we go back to any other thread about Smile's demise, it is always the same old argument over & over. We've beaten this dead horse a 100 times over. Oy! Wink

At least 100 times, and not just on this board.  Some people love to revive and regurgitate it.

I see no problem discussing it. Remember, not everyone's been on the board here forever. However, once it descends into back and forth bickering with no new info or thoughtful speculation coming out, it's useless.
All of the posts are still here to read if one will use the Search function. Should you do that, you will see that all that has transpired here, transpired before. Using Yogi Berra's famous line "It's deja vu, all over again." Wink

But, that's exactly what I'm doing. Posting on old threads to add my own input. It's not like I'm starting new threads about topic that have already been discussed.
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Aquarian SMiLE>HERE
Dumb Angel (Olorin Edition)>HERE
Dumb Angel [the Romestamo Cut]>HERE

& This is a new pet project Ive worked on, which combines Fritz Lang's classic film, Metropolis (1927) with The United States of America (1968) as a new soundtrack. More info is in the video description.
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« Reply #194 on: April 02, 2014, 12:32:33 PM »

Been there, done that, exhausted every possible variable there is to Smile. Doc is right - use the search function. The board is clogged up full of Smile arguments that go nowhere all over again. It's like inciting a riot, and you seem to wallow in anything SMiLE related on this board (including 'contributing' one more in a myriad of Smile fan mixes). Yeah, so TSS (or BWPS) still weren't the definitive end-alls to Smile for some people. Deal with it. There's more to The Beach Boys than Smile.
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« Reply #195 on: April 02, 2014, 12:34:20 PM »

Wow, this thread went to hell right quick.

Wrong. It went to hell a long time ago.

This is just a revival.  Wink
Any thread about Smile, Mike, Brian & VDP goes to hell as soon as the first person responds to it. And, if we go back to any other thread about Smile's demise, it is always the same old argument over & over. We've beaten this dead horse a 100 times over. Oy! Wink

At least 100 times, and not just on this board.  Some people love to revive and regurgitate it.

I see no problem discussing it. Remember, not everyone's been on the board here forever. However, once it descends into back and forth bickering with no new info or thoughtful speculation coming out, it's useless.
All of the posts are still here to read if one will use the Search function. Should you do that, you will see that all that has transpired here, transpired before. Using Yogi Berra's famous line "It's deja vu, all over again." Wink

But, that's exactly what I'm doing. Posting on old threads to add my own input. It's not like I'm starting new threads about topic that have already been discussed.
Yes, but we are still discussing the same stuff and arguing the same old arguments. All I can say is that from what I can glean from the people who post here that have really studied the matter, is that Brian and the lack of technology are the two areas to point the finger. Whether band members disagreed or didn't like some of the material, Brian was the boss. Even if they kicked and screamed through the entire process, if Brian had really wanted it completed and released,  they would have went work and completed it.
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Thou Art In Hawthorne,
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Your Steak Well Done,
On Stage As It Is In Studio,
Give Us This Day, Our Shortenin' Bread
And Forgive Us Our Bootlegs,
As We Also Have Forgiven Our Wife And Managers,
And Lead Us Not Into Kokomo,
But Deliver Us From Mike Love.
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« Reply #196 on: April 02, 2014, 12:40:15 PM »

Wow, this thread went to hell right quick.

Wrong. It went to hell a long time ago.

This is just a revival.  Wink
Any thread about Smile, Mike, Brian & VDP goes to hell as soon as the first person responds to it. And, if we go back to any other thread about Smile's demise, it is always the same old argument over & over. We've beaten this dead horse a 100 times over. Oy! Wink

At least 100 times, and not just on this board.  Some people love to revive and regurgitate it.

I see no problem discussing it. Remember, not everyone's been on the board here forever. However, once it descends into back and forth bickering with no new info or thoughtful speculation coming out, it's useless.
All of the posts are still here to read if one will use the Search function. Should you do that, you will see that all that has transpired here, transpired before. Using Yogi Berra's famous line "It's deja vu, all over again." Wink

But, that's exactly what I'm doing. Posting on old threads to add my own input. It's not like I'm starting new threads about topic that have already been discussed.
Yes, but we are still discussing the same stuff and arguing the same old arguments. All I can say is that from what I can glean from the people who post here that have really studied the matter, is that Brian and the lack of technology are the two areas to point the finger. Whether band members disagreed or didn't like some of the material, Brian was the boss. Even if they kicked and screamed through the entire process, if Brian had really wanted it completed and released,  they would have went work and completed it.

I concur that Brian was the one who decided to pull the plug on the project. That shouldn't be debated. But find me an album by any artist that is a massive undertaking, with people around them “kicking and screaming” throughout the entire process, that does not result in the project’s creator being negatively effected in some way by that resistance, and I’ll eat my shorts.  Not saying the “kicking and screaming” description is accurate to this saga, but just referencing your quote since you mentioned it.

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« Reply #197 on: April 02, 2014, 12:43:31 PM »

No apology.

Let's just say Love Means Never Having to Say You're Sorry and leave it at that. The man took his name literally.  Grin
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« Reply #198 on: April 02, 2014, 12:46:37 PM »

Wow, this thread went to hell right quick.

Wrong. It went to hell a long time ago.

This is just a revival.  Wink
Any thread about Smile, Mike, Brian & VDP goes to hell as soon as the first person responds to it. And, if we go back to any other thread about Smile's demise, it is always the same old argument over & over. We've beaten this dead horse a 100 times over. Oy! Wink

At least 100 times, and not just on this board.  Some people love to revive and regurgitate it.

I see no problem discussing it. Remember, not everyone's been on the board here forever. However, once it descends into back and forth bickering with no new info or thoughtful speculation coming out, it's useless.
All of the posts are still here to read if one will use the Search function. Should you do that, you will see that all that has transpired here, transpired before. Using Yogi Berra's famous line "It's deja vu, all over again." Wink

But, that's exactly what I'm doing. Posting on old threads to add my own input. It's not like I'm starting new threads about topic that have already been discussed.
Yes, but we are still discussing the same stuff and arguing the same old arguments. All I can say is that from what I can glean from the people who post here that have really studied the matter, is that Brian and the lack of technology are the two areas to point the finger. Whether band members disagreed or didn't like some of the material, Brian was the boss. Even if they kicked and screamed through the entire process, if Brian had really wanted it completed and released,  they would have went work and completed it.

If you read my posts you'll see that I agree. Sorry for bringing up old topics but you don't have to get involved and for me this is the first time discussing the topic with people who actually know/care enough to discuss it intelligently.
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Here are my SMiLE Mixes. All are 2 suite, but still vastly different in several ways. Be on the lookout for another, someday.

Aquarian SMiLE>HERE
Dumb Angel (Olorin Edition)>HERE
Dumb Angel [the Romestamo Cut]>HERE

& This is a new pet project Ive worked on, which combines Fritz Lang's classic film, Metropolis (1927) with The United States of America (1968) as a new soundtrack. More info is in the video description.
The American Metropolitan Circus>HERE
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« Reply #199 on: April 02, 2014, 12:59:35 PM »

Wow, this thread went to hell right quick.

Wrong. It went to hell a long time ago.

This is just a revival.  Wink
Any thread about Smile, Mike, Brian & VDP goes to hell as soon as the first person responds to it. And, if we go back to any other thread about Smile's demise, it is always the same old argument over & over. We've beaten this dead horse a 100 times over. Oy! Wink

At least 100 times, and not just on this board.  Some people love to revive and regurgitate it.

I see no problem discussing it. Remember, not everyone's been on the board here forever. However, once it descends into back and forth bickering with no new info or thoughtful speculation coming out, it's useless.
All of the posts are still here to read if one will use the Search function. Should you do that, you will see that all that has transpired here, transpired before. Using Yogi Berra's famous line "It's deja vu, all over again." Wink

But, that's exactly what I'm doing. Posting on old threads to add my own input. It's not like I'm starting new threads about topic that have already been discussed.
Yes, but we are still discussing the same stuff and arguing the same old arguments. All I can say is that from what I can glean from the people who post here that have really studied the matter, is that Brian and the lack of technology are the two areas to point the finger. Whether band members disagreed or didn't like some of the material, Brian was the boss. Even if they kicked and screamed through the entire process, if Brian had really wanted it completed and released,  they would have went work and completed it.

I concur that Brian was the one who decided to pull the plug on the project. That shouldn't be debated. But find me an album by any artist that is a massive undertaking, with people around them “kicking and screaming” throughout the entire process, that does not result in the project’s creator being negatively effected in some way by that resistance, and I’ll eat my shorts.  Not saying the “kicking and screaming” description is accurate to this saga, but just referencing your quote since you mentioned it.


Now you know what I meant there, let's not argue about that. I will say that I know of no bands where there was total harmony during their existence as a band. Six band members are never going to fully agree or like every piece of music presented to them. Now, if Smile had started during the Sunflower-Surf's Up era, I could see that making Brian retreat, but not in 1966-67. I never bought that argument and never will. Brian did what Brian wanted, no matter. I think Brian lost focus due to what I said earlier, stopped and restarted in a completely opposite direction with Smiley Smile. Smile burned him out, and Smiley helped him to cool down and start fresh.
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The Brianista Prayer

Oh Brian
Thou Art In Hawthorne,
Harmonied Be Thy name
Your Kingdom Come,
Your Steak Well Done,
On Stage As It Is In Studio,
Give Us This Day, Our Shortenin' Bread
And Forgive Us Our Bootlegs,
As We Also Have Forgiven Our Wife And Managers,
And Lead Us Not Into Kokomo,
But Deliver Us From Mike Love.
Amen.  ---hypehat
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