The REAL reason Brian abandoned SMiLE?

[alf wiedersehen]

I'd like an apology for using the 'word' "irregardless."

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

And as I've said before (and it's not difficult to get me to say it again), I am sorry if I ever come off as annoying or a broken record.
From my perspective, I find it annoying when people refuse to respond to a portion of a question, or when people resort to sarcasm instead of mature discussion.
The whole making-an-apology-is-akin-to-pulling-teeth thing IMO applies not just to the person we've been discussing, but also to a chunk of the people who from my observations, wholeheartedly embrace that concept in general. I should probably pull out my stopwatch to see when the next sarcastic response remark will be flung into cyberspace...

What's funny is I answered your question and you and a couple of others apparently don't consider my feelings valid and got snarky and insulting. Yet somehow you continue to bang on about imaginary feelings and imaginary apologies as if you are some sort of imaginary victim.

Still waiting for my apology for your intentional and unintentional hurting of my feelings.

Cam - if you honestly have hurt feelings (and aren't just trying to make light of the concept), then I will trade you a sincere apology for your answer to another couple of questions from earlier in the thread that you did NOT actually directly answer:

If Brian told you personally that, irregardless of drugs, that he felt certain feelings about certain people's actions at the time, you'd still find a way to say that his feelings were 100% "not valid" and were absolutely imaginary, even though he felt them - right?

Serious question.  

Second serious question: would you tell that to his face?

Don't you see, CD, that talking to Brian about such things would be a completely different situation than you are asking Cam to address? .... If Brian told Cam what you are imaging then these would be real true expressions of feeling from one person to another: not assumed, presumed, speculated feelings. So, why on earth would Cam, or anyone then tell Brian that his feelings are invalid?

[Cam Mott]

CD, there is even an implied dig in your imaginary question. You've already outed you have an agenda with your imaginary questions. How do you imagine that anyone is going to fall for your poorly laid insulting plan? My intelligence isn't high but isn't as low as your opinion of it and my character.

Hopefully you will eventually show more concern for real feelings than imaginary ones.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

sigh

[CenturyDeprived]

And as I've said before (and it's not difficult to get me to say it again), I am sorry if I ever come off as annoying or a broken record.
From my perspective, I find it annoying when people refuse to respond to a portion of a question, or when people resort to sarcasm instead of mature discussion.
The whole making-an-apology-is-akin-to-pulling-teeth thing IMO applies not just to the person we've been discussing, but also to a chunk of the people who from my observations, wholeheartedly embrace that concept in general. I should probably pull out my stopwatch to see when the next sarcastic response remark will be flung into cyberspace...

What's funny is I answered your question and you and a couple of others apparently don't consider my feelings valid and got snarky and insulting. Yet somehow you continue to bang on about imaginary feelings and imaginary apologies as if you are some sort of imaginary victim.

Still waiting for my apology for your intentional and unintentional hurting of my feelings.

Cam - if you honestly have hurt feelings (and aren't just trying to make light of the concept), then I will trade you a sincere apology for your answer to another couple of questions from earlier in the thread that you did NOT actually directly answer:

If Brian told you personally that, irregardless of drugs, that he felt certain feelings about certain people's actions at the time, you'd still find a way to say that his feelings were 100% "not valid" and were absolutely imaginary, even though he felt them - right?

Serious question.  

Second serious question: would you tell that to his face?

An apology on condition?

I don't dance for my apologies no matter how low the expressed opinion of my character. No thanks. That hurt my feelings too.

I honestly apologize for having said that. That was not cool and I regret having put it like that in a conditional sense. So let me put it on record, that I honestly, unconditionally apologize if there were hurt feelings.

Now, I'd like honestly like to hear your response to my questions.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Anyone else find it funny that "Beautiful Dreamer" comes from a Mike lyric?

[Cam Mott]

Apology accepted.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Anyone else find it funny that "Beautiful Dreamer" comes from a Mike lyric?

Actually it came from Stephen Foster

[Nicko1234]

Anyone else find it funny that "Beautiful Dreamer" comes from a Mike lyric?

Nothing funny will happen in this thread...

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Anyone else find it funny that "Beautiful Dreamer" comes from a Mike lyric?

Actually it came from Stephen Foster

Yeah, but the fact that the term is used in a Beach Boys tune (no mere coincidence) pretty much er, wait, .... should the Foster Estate sue for credit for those two words??? 

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

Anyone else find it funny that "Beautiful Dreamer" comes from a Mike lyric?

Actually it came from Stephen Foster

Yeah, but the fact that the term is used in a Beach Boys tune (no mere coincidence) pretty much er, wait, .... should the Foster Estate sue for credit for those two words??? 

Ummm...no?

[18thofMay]

I think the Mike on Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous thread should be merged with this one...

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Anyone else find it funny that "Beautiful Dreamer" comes from a Mike lyric?

Actually it came from Stephen Foster

Yeah, but the fact that the term is used in a Beach Boys tune (no mere coincidence) pretty much er, wait, .... should the Foster Estate sue for credit for those two words??? 

Ummm...no?

This has gone so far that no one can tell a joke anymore?

[CenturyDeprived]

Anyone else find it funny that "Beautiful Dreamer" comes from a Mike lyric?

Actually it came from Stephen Foster

Yeah, but the fact that the term is used in a Beach Boys tune (no mere coincidence) pretty much er, wait, .... should the Foster Estate sue for credit for those two words???  

Ummm...no?

This has gone so far that no one can tell a joke anymore?

I told a Wally George/Landy mullet joke in this thread, and you seemed to chuckle at it. I myself am cool to say and hear them, even in this thread. 

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Anyone else find it funny that "Beautiful Dreamer" comes from a Mike lyric?

Actually it came from Stephen Foster

Yeah, but the fact that the term is used in a Beach Boys tune (no mere coincidence) pretty much er, wait, .... should the Foster Estate sue for credit for those two words???  

Ummm...no?

This has gone so far that no one can tell a joke anymore?

I told a Wally George/Landy mullet joke in this thread, and you seemed to chuckle at it. I myself am cool to say and hear them, even in this thread. 

As soon as Wally George's hair popped into everyone's heads: the laughter turned to horror! 

[CenturyDeprived]

CD, there is even an implied dig in your imaginary question. You've already outed you have an agenda with your imaginary questions. How do you imagine that anyone is going to fall for your poorly laid insulting plan? My intelligence isn't high but isn't as low as your opinion of it and my character.

Hopefully you will eventually show more concern for real feelings than imaginary ones.

Cam - my only agenda is trying to understand something. I’d like to think that, even if in your heart you believe that the facts point to a certain “truth”… that you can be willing to recognize that, ultimately, your beliefs on this subject are admittedly merely your own opinion/interpretation of events, and not absolute fact. I’ll concede as such for myself and my beliefs; they are educated best guesses. I think that some people on this board make every implication that their postings are "facts" (even when discussing the participants' feelings), and I think that's rather extreme. Something as simple as the occasional "IMHO" would help diffuse the tension, and allow us posters to show more respect for one another here, you know?

My unanswered questions posed to you are only to get to the point that a person’s feelings can’t outright be dismissed as 100% negligible if they were to come from the horse’s mouth, so to speak. Something is keeping you from answering those questions, and only you know what that reason is. Regardless of what your answer would be, it will not suddenly make either of us “right” or “wrong” about our admittedly stubborn conclusions/opinions/interpretations of events.

  

[The Shift]

Is there an argument for locking this thread?

Some good, long-term postin' souls are getting wound up by posts that are, if I can paraphrase Runners, ahtcbGGA:L<M KLL:KJL:KJL KJHLKJHKJRTAAAA!!!!!!

[Mikie]

WAIT!!  Cameron hasn't held up his part of the deal yet by answering CD's questions!  CD already apologized and........and the drama continues.

Biiiiiiillllllllyyyyy!!!!   Where's the Flying Pizza guy?

[Robbie Mac]

Anyone else find it funny that "Beautiful Dreamer" comes from a Mike lyric?

Actually it came from Stephen Foster

Yeah, but the fact that the term is used in a Beach Boys tune (no mere coincidence) pretty much er, wait, .... should the Foster Estate sue for credit for those two words??? 

According to Mike Love logic, yes.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Cam likely knows that providing speculative answers to speculative questions here would be like dumping napalm on a campfire!

Posters are under no obligation to answer anyone's questions. Especially when they border on pure fantasy in the first place.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

They should teach "Mike Love logic" at Law schools

[Mikie]

Whasup, Andy?  What's goin' down.

[CenturyDeprived]

Cam likely knows that providing speculative answers to speculative questions here would be like dumping napalm on a campfire!

Posters are under no obligation to answer anyone's questions. Especially when they border on pure fantasy in the first place.

At this point, I'm less asking for an answer, but more that I'm politely requesting that that Cam occasionally consider using "IMO", or imply such.
Every once in awhile, you know?  I'm not forcing anyone to do anything, or to answer any questions. There is no obligation. I hope this isn't met with sarcasm, or a mean-spirited response; I'm trying to be calm, cool, collected, and respectful.

[Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again]

Cam likely knows that providing speculative answers to speculative questions here would be like dumping napalm on a campfire!

Posters are under no obligation to answer anyone's questions. Especially when they border on pure fantasy in the first place.

At this point, I'm less asking for an answer, but more that I'm politely requesting that that Cam occasionally consider using "IMO", or imply such.
Every once in awhile, you know?  I'm not forcing anyone to do anything, or to answer any questions. There is no obligation. I hope this isn't met with sarcasm, or a mean-spirited response; I'm trying to be calm, cool, collected, and respectful.

I think that is perfectly reasonable.

But bracing for sarcasm on a board such as this isn't exactly reasonable, IMHO. Most times it's meant as a joke

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

WAIT!!  Cameron hasn't held up his part of the deal yet by answering CD's questions!  CD already apologized and........and the drama continues.

Biiiiiiillllllllyyyyy!!!!   Where's the Flying Pizza guy?

On break at work. But yeah... I'm gonna lock this.