TSS - All things Child is father ......

[XXXCD]

Love to know what a completed version would have sounded like in 1967.

There's obviously a lot of lyrics missing, and perhaps another melody, which will never be heard.

[GeorgeFellInHisHorn]

Has anyone here managed to isolate the chorus vocals? (both new and old)

I would love to hear that, but i don't know how to really go about trying to isolate vocals from a mono mix without an identical instrumental version or some sort of sound-spectrum software (similar to the one used for a Good Vibrations stereo mix that one smiley smiler here put together)

[sly74]

Has anyone here managed to isolate the chorus vocals? (both new and old)

I would love to hear that, but i don't know how to really go about trying to isolate vocals from a mono mix without an identical instrumental version or some sort of sound-spectrum software (similar to the one used for a Good Vibrations stereo mix that one smiley smiler here put together)

I second this. Would be a thrill to hear them alone. 

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

I used SonicWorks, and it went pretty well, CIFOTM was weird though, its much rougher then GV (obviously) and it didn't sound good enough to exclamate on.

[Austin]

Has anyone here managed to isolate the chorus vocals? (both new and old)

I would love to hear that, but i don't know how to really go about trying to isolate vocals from a mono mix without an identical instrumental version or some sort of sound-spectrum software (similar to the one used for a Good Vibrations stereo mix that one smiley smiler here put together)

For what it's worth, a quick "pull open SonicWORX for 20 minutes and see what the options are" test sounded very thin and unremarkable. And, granted, that's not a lot of time to spend in an app like that, but compared with a similar test, some Good Vibrations extractions sounded sterling.

[armona]

The Child choruses sourced from acetates IIRC, so it'll probably be a challenge to get something that sounds great. Good luck though.

[Tristero]

I enjoy the new version here pretty well, particularly with the new vocals, but it feels a little bit choppy and rushed to me.  I wish they would have taken it at a more leisurely pace.  If they were going to include that bit at the beginning, I wish they would have followed the Sea of Tunes model, including that ascending/descending bass line bit before going into the piano and horn part.  We'll see what the fanmixers come up with now. . .

[Reverend Rock]

It's nice to have an "official version" of "Child Is Father Of The Man", but I think it could have been done more interestingly.  I hammered together a version on my sound forge several years ago that is still my favorite.  There are so many nice little pieces in the "Child" sessions, and several of my favorites are missing from the finished version on the new set.

[runnersdialzero]

'zit me, or is the chorus take with the high "ahh"s not anywhere on the box?

[sly74]

'zit me, or is the chorus take with the high "ahh"s not anywhere on the box?

They're in the first chorus but to me it sounds like the eq caused much of that to be 'scooped' out. Have to listen really close, or perhaps do some lower mid boosting. I haven't tried it yet myself. Maybe someone else can give more insight.

[Micha]

'zit me, or is the chorus take with the high "ahh"s not anywhere on the box?

I thought it was the chorus take without the high "ahh"s that isn't there.

[Paul2010]

'zit me, or is the chorus take with the high "ahh"s not anywhere on the box?

I thought it was the chorus take without the high "ahh"s that isn't there.

I actually thought the chorus is a newly mixed version with both vocals included!

[sly74]

'zit me, or is the chorus take with the high "ahh"s not anywhere on the box?

I thought it was the chorus take without the high "ahh"s that isn't there.

I actually thought the chorus is a newly mixed version with both vocals included!

That may it. With the more sparse "child..the child" version up front. In that case, the one with the high notes and ethereal "ahhs" is there but buried(and the best!)

[runnersdialzero]

I doubt it mixes both versions, as they seemingly don't have the multitracks for that and there'd be hella phasing etc. if they attempted this. Srsly, I don't hear the "ahh"ness. Fuckin' it'd be cool to make a fan mix, but in this case, you'd have one pristine chorus and one obscenely skanky sounding one. AH BALLS.

[sly74]

I doubt it mixes both versions, as they seemingly don't have the multitracks for that and there'd be hella phasing etc. if they attempted this. Srsly, I don't hear the "ahh"ness. f*ckin' it'd be cool to make a fan mix, but in this case, you'd have one pristine chorus and one obscenely skanky sounding one. AH BALLS.

May have to agree to disagree, I'd swear I hear it in there. And speaking of being phasy, while it isn't, it does sound wonky. Not as much presence as the sections that precede or follow. Something weird there cause at least on the boots they are much more 'there', with both versions.  Can anyone else provide their thoughts on this?

[Chris Brown]

I doubt it mixes both versions, as they seemingly don't have the multitracks for that and there'd be hella phasing etc. if they attempted this. Srsly, I don't hear the "ahh"ness. f*ckin' it'd be cool to make a fan mix, but in this case, you'd have one pristine chorus and one obscenely skanky sounding one. AH BALLS.

May have to agree to disagree, I'd swear I hear it in there. And speaking of being phasy, while it isn't, it does sound wonky. Not as much presence as the sections that precede or follow. Something weird there cause at least on the boots they are much more 'there', with both versions.  Can anyone else provide their thoughts on this?

Yes I hear the "ahhh"s as well, although as you said, they're not as prominent as they used to be on the boots. 

[Micha]

'zit me, or is the chorus take with the high "ahh"s not anywhere on the box?

I thought it was the chorus take without the high "ahh"s that isn't there.

I actually thought the chorus is a newly mixed version with both vocals included!

I now relistened and found the high aaahs only in the second run-through of the chorus after the bridge.

[Pied Piper]

There's something I heard on the internet long before the box set came out that they didn't have or didn't use. It was a 1:53 track of Child Is Father Of The Man, the section found on the box set disc 3, track 16, but with some staccato "shivery" strings, maybe cellos, in the left channel. Perhaps it was an overdub that they mixed out for the box, but it was pretty neat. Has anyone else noticed this?

[mammy blue]

I can hear the strings in the CITFOTM sessions on the box, but its lower in the mix.

[Roger Ryan]

Yeah, the cello part is included in an early run-through on "Version One", but it sounds like Brian decided not to include it on later takes.

[XXXCD]

Do people think that completed lyrics ever existed for this track ?
I don't mean that lyrics were necessarily recorded, but that maybe they were once written down somewhere ?

[Pied Piper]

Yeah, sure enough, turned it way up and heard it. For some reason it worked a lot better on the vintage mix from... wherever it came from.

[Micha]

Do people think that completed lyrics ever existed for this track ?
I don't mean that lyrics were necessarily recorded, but that maybe they were once written down somewhere ?

According to VDP there were lyrics. But I have no clue whether they were completed, written down, both or neither.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Have Alan or Mark given us more of a details about where they found the acetate with the extra chorus vocals? This is a story I would like to hear.

[over and over]

Have Alan or Mark given us more of a details about where they found the acetate with the extra chorus vocals? This is a story I would like to hear.

Same here. I'd like to hear the whole acetate as well.