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« on: October 28, 2011, 08:07:30 AM »

The place to discuss TSS and H&V
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2011, 10:08:17 AM »

Really dig this mix. The "woo woo woo woo woo's" sound much better then any fanmix could make it. Pretty cool ending as well with the horn AND the crazy strings.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2011, 10:50:48 AM »

Billboard Review Picks out H&V

THE BEACH BOYS
"The SMiLE Sessions"
Producers: Brian Wilson, Mark Linett, Alan Boyd, Dennis Wolfe
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Release Date: Nov. 1

The Beach Boys' "SMiLE," the first 19 tracks of this five-CD set, is an essential pop music album. The version Brian Wilson released in 2004 for Nonesuch was more polished than this collection of music from the initial 1966-'67 sessions. "The SMiLE Sessions" captures Wilson, session musicians and the Beach Boys in moments that are chaotic, loopy and remarkably in synch. It's a consistently brilliant album. With four CDs reliving Wilson's hours spent shaping "SMiLE," the song "Heroes and Villains" is limned at an extraordinary level, placed under the microscope and ultimately on a throne. Hands down one of Wilson's finest melodies, "Heroes and Villains" is Gershwin-esque in its sweeping moments, hauntingly still at times and cosmically choral in others. Set early on "SMiLE," a healthy amount of listening separates the song from its epic brethren "Surf's Up" and "Good Vibrations," heard here in a more rustic version than the hit single. Those better-known tracks feel perfect in length and structure; "Heroes and Villains" lingers-were SMiLE a Broadway show, theater-goers would hum it while exiting the venue. "SMiLE Sessions" showcases Wilson's production style and temperament, which is oddly calm and precise.
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2011, 10:25:32 AM »

I got burned out on it back in 2000 or so when the folks at The Shop, myself included, dissected it to death.  Maybe I should reacquaint myself with it just in time before Tuesday.
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2011, 04:14:30 PM »

On the 2-CD set: is it only my copy, or does the stereo mix of H&V (track 21 on CD1) have a problem? Near the end of the song (03:32), after "I'm alright... By the heroes and...", the last chorus kicks in SUPER FAST and then slows down. It's really noticeable.
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2011, 08:22:38 PM »

Did you rip it? that's a semi-normal ripping issue
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« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2011, 01:24:22 AM »

I miss the "wwwwooooooowwww" sound that comes around 2:10 or so in the single verison.
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2011, 01:56:01 AM »

Did you rip it? that's a semi-normal ripping issue

No, the problem's on the CD. Other people have reported this problem as well.
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2011, 07:44:33 PM »

The vocal session for "Children Were Raised" is simply amazing.  Listening to them build it then hearing it with the backing track shows just how brilliant he was.
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2011, 02:19:19 PM »

The stereo track is amazing!
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2011, 02:42:42 AM »

The funniest thing is Track 20 on Disc 2 of the box, 'Heroes And Villains: Piano Theme' at about 1:13: Kiss'  'I was made for loving you', anyone? Hahaha!
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2011, 11:01:11 PM »

3/1/67 - Verse remake.  Kind of breaks my heart.  After hearing his numerous attempts to finish H&V, he goes all the way back to the beginning to re-record the VERSE.  Makes me wish I could tell 1967 Brian, "Brian, the verse is just fine.  No changes needed."  He just couldn't stop himself from fiddling with it endlessly.
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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2011, 12:06:43 AM »

The funniest thing is Track 20 on Disc 2 of the box, 'Heroes And Villains: Piano Theme' at about 1:13: Kiss'  'I was made for loving you', anyone? Hahaha!

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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2011, 12:30:39 AM »

The funniest thing is Track 20 on Disc 2 of the box, 'Heroes And Villains: Piano Theme' at about 1:13: Kiss'  'I was made for loving you', anyone? Hahaha!

You're a few decades late to discover that! Smiley

Well it was a first for me too? Is it possible that Kiss listened to some boots? When did they first emerge?
Of course it's a pretty simple melody that anybody could come up with
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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2011, 03:28:51 AM »

The funniest thing is Track 20 on Disc 2 of the box, 'Heroes And Villains: Piano Theme' at about 1:13: Kiss'  'I was made for loving you', anyone? Hahaha!

You're a few decades late to discover that! Smiley

Well, I have got (erhm, let's say 'heard' for legal reasons) pretty much every BB bootleg there are (except a lot of the redundant live stuff which I don't really care for), but I guess I must have missed that one Smiley
Funny, nevertheless :D
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« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2011, 09:01:01 AM »

The funniest thing is Track 20 on Disc 2 of the box, 'Heroes And Villains: Piano Theme' at about 1:13: Kiss'  'I was made for loving you', anyone? Hahaha!

You're a few decades late to discover that! Smiley

Well, I have got (erhm, let's say 'heard' for legal reasons) pretty much every BB bootleg there are (except a lot of the redundant live stuff which I don't really care for), but I guess I must have missed that one Smiley
Funnt, never the less :D

I love all that Brian piano stuff - actually the piano part 2 stuff is really new to me
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« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2011, 12:11:27 PM »

During the "In the cantina" version, the liners say that it is "Dance Margarita," but I have always heard "Dance Margarite Rita." Does anyone else hear that, or am I crazy?
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« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2011, 12:25:15 PM »

During the "In the cantina" version, the liners say that it is "Dance Margarita," but I have always heard "Dance Margarite Rita." Does anyone else hear that, or am I crazy?

I think the way he's singing it is what's making you think those are the lyrics. But I'm pretty sure the listed lyrics are correct.
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2011, 04:40:13 PM »

I've gotta say, the early version outakes sessions (disc 4 track 24), possibly sounds more well put together than any other version. (except one awful fade edit in the middle). Some edits I've never heard before make perfect sense and have a fantastic feel to it. I instantly loved it, and it has this certain drive to the entire track that none of the others have.
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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2011, 06:41:21 PM »

The mix of the verse on Track 18/Disc 2 has always been my favorite verse mix. The snare and the trombone are easily heard....especially the trombone. It kills me how buried it is on almost every mix.
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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2011, 09:37:37 AM »

The funniest thing is Track 20 on Disc 2 of the box, 'Heroes And Villains: Piano Theme' at about 1:13: Kiss'  'I was made for loving you', anyone? Hahaha!

You're a few decades late to discover that! Smiley

Well, I have got (erhm, let's say 'heard' for legal reasons) pretty much every BB bootleg there are (except a lot of the redundant live stuff which I don't really care for), but I guess I must have missed that one Smiley
Funny, nevertheless :D

I wasn't referring to any bootleg - that melody line is present in about every incarnation of the BR theme, including the 1967 single version, where somebody sings "do - do - do - do-do" to it, and in DYLW somebody sings "ba - ba - ba...", and the fuzz bass plays that line, too.  Actually it is probably an unconscious lift by Kiss.
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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2011, 10:14:36 AM »

3/1/67 - Verse remake.  Kind of breaks my heart.  After hearing his numerous attempts to finish H&V, he goes all the way back to the beginning to re-record the VERSE.  Makes me wish I could tell 1967 Brian, "Brian, the verse is just fine.  No changes needed."  He just couldn't stop himself from fiddling with it endlessly.

Verse, intro, fade...he was really starting over, wasn't he? But then WHY NOT TAKE 5 MINUTES AND RECORD A LEAD VOCAL ON SOMETHING THAT WAS ALREADY FINISHED!?!!?
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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2011, 10:15:29 AM »

The funniest thing is Track 20 on Disc 2 of the box, 'Heroes And Villains: Piano Theme' at about 1:13: Kiss'  'I was made for loving you', anyone? Hahaha!

You're a few decades late to discover that! Smiley

Well, I have got (erhm, let's say 'heard' for legal reasons) pretty much every BB bootleg there are (except a lot of the redundant live stuff which I don't really care for), but I guess I must have missed that one Smiley
Funny, nevertheless :D

I wasn't referring to any bootleg - that melody line is present in about every incarnation of the BR theme, including the 1967 single version, where somebody sings "do - do - do - do-do" to it, and in DYLW somebody sings "ba - ba - ba...", and the fuzz bass plays that line, too.  Actually it is probably an unconscious lift by Kiss.


I never noticed it before, and I'm curious where on the H&V single it is. I heard it clearly on DYLW (Track 5 of Disc 3) now though.
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2011, 07:33:36 PM »

I've gotta say, the early version outakes sessions (disc 4 track 24), possibly sounds more well put together than any other version. (except one awful fade edit in the middle). Some edits I've never heard before make perfect sense and have a fantastic feel to it. I instantly loved it, and it has this certain drive to the entire track that none of the others have.

I came on to this thread to post exactly the same thing.  That might just be the best H&V running order that I've ever heard.  Sound quality for the mix isn't the greatest (is some of it acetate-sourced?), but, man, I love this version.  I wonder why it's buried at the end of Disc 4 instead of with the rest of H&V on Disc 2.  Huh
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2011, 01:20:37 AM »

The funniest thing is Track 20 on Disc 2 of the box, 'Heroes And Villains: Piano Theme' at about 1:13: Kiss'  'I was made for loving you', anyone? Hahaha!

You're a few decades late to discover that! Smiley

Well, I have got (erhm, let's say 'heard' for legal reasons) pretty much every BB bootleg there are (except a lot of the redundant live stuff which I don't really care for), but I guess I must have missed that one Smiley
Funny, nevertheless :D

I wasn't referring to any bootleg - that melody line is present in about every incarnation of the BR theme, including the 1967 single version, where somebody sings "do - do - do - do-do" to it, and in DYLW somebody sings "ba - ba - ba...", and the fuzz bass plays that line, too.  Actually it is probably an unconscious lift by Kiss.


I never noticed it before, and I'm curious where on the H&V single it is. I heard it clearly on DYLW (Track 5 of Disc 3) now though.

Well, it's in the "chorus" of the H&V single of course. I think it's Carl do-do-do-ing it. Smiley It is much more obvious though in the first section of the 93 H&V sections mix where Al or possibly Brian goes ba-ba.
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