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« Reply #150 on: August 02, 2012, 10:36:16 AM »

Side 1:
Our Prayer-not listed, but on the label with only a running time
Heroes and Villains - GV Box "alternate" version
Wonderful - GV Box version
Old Master Painter - Medley with You Are My Sunshine
Cabinessence - GV Box version
Child Is Father of The Man - Look with Child chant over the middle sections
Do You Like Worms - 3:19 edit with one plymouth rock, wordless bicycle rider, hawaiian chant, fuzz bass coda w/ harpsichord turnaround, bicycle rider with chorus

Side 2:
Good Vibrations - Single version
I'm In Great Shape - Here is where I depart from every tracklist I've ever seen.  I use Holidays.  You can almost sing the line "fresh zen air around my head (pause) mornings tumble out of bed" along with the melody after the flute intro.  You then have to speed up and sing the eggs and grits line immediately (with the H&V demo melody) to correlate with the chords.  I love Whispering Winds as the fade.  I know some don't, but it's a nice segue into:
Wind Chimes - GV Box version
Vega-Tables - I've always used the GV Box version, but my ultimate psychedelic mix has the Cornucopia version with the "Swedish Frogs" laid behind it.  I usually stick to the GV Box version.
The Elements-I use an old edit with Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (without the drums slow ending, that fades to Workshop that fades to the Water Chant.
Surf's Up - I use the solo double-tracked demo on the GV Box.  As I like to think, the album begins and ends wordlessly, just pure sound of the human voice singing high over everything.

I came up with this list a long time ago, and still use it, and finally came up with a story for it.  Brian has said (I think it was an Ear Candy Mag interview from 04) that BWPS was much happier, more uplifting, et c.  I took that to mean that SMiLE in 1967 would have been a downer.  Consequently, every three songs can be looked at as a suite focusing on some of the big themes of SMiLE (romance, manifest destiny, spirituality, and creation/destruction).  Each suite starts with a pushing, driving song (Heroes and Villains, Cabinessence, Good Vibrations, Vega-Tables), then a conflicted song with duality (Wonderful, Child Is Father of The Man, I'm In Great Shape, The Elements) and finally with a song that includes some kind of mourning (Old Master Painter, Do You Like Worms, Wind Chimes, Surf's Up). 

I am of the opinion that the track list is the track list.   

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« Reply #151 on: August 02, 2012, 10:54:28 AM »

I just came across this thread...but just the other day I was wondering the same question.  Brian's "modern" version of Smile has the luxury of digital technology.  He could fit it onto a compact disc...therefore not being constrained by time.  The LP that comes with the boxed set features Brian's complete version...but it's spread over three sides and we all know that the original Smile, if it would have come out, would have been a single LP.  Obviously, Brian's complete version contains material that simply could not have fit onto a standard LP back in 1967.  I've always felt that was one of Brian's biggest issues (and maybe I'm stating the obvious)...what to do with ALL of this material?  How do I put it all together so that it flows...yet fits on one LP?  With the basic editing he would have had access to in 1967 (manually cutting and pasting) I can imagine how it could have just slipped away.  Brian just kept recording and erasing and recording and erasing.  The original LP fell apart because of Brian's inability to complete it.  I wonder if all of this had anything to do with it?
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« Reply #152 on: August 02, 2012, 11:01:01 AM »

Our Prayer
Heroes And Villains
I'm In Great Shape
Barnyard
Cabin Essence
Good Vibrations

Wonderful
Wind Chimes
Do You Like Worms
You're Welcome
Surf's Up
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« Reply #153 on: August 02, 2012, 11:20:00 AM »

I just came across this thread...but just the other day I was wondering the same question.  Brian's "modern" version of Smile has the luxury of digital technology.  He could fit it onto a compact disc...therefore not being constrained by time.

He should have put more songs per CD track so he could fit more songs on the CD, the scam artist.
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« Reply #154 on: August 02, 2012, 01:37:01 PM »

All i know is i'd hope they'd have stuck with Do You Dig Worms as a title, which is a great double pun, and thus a better title than Do You Like Worms...
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« Reply #155 on: August 02, 2012, 02:47:11 PM »

1. Prayer/H&V - Not the '67 explosion edit, something closer to what we got on TSS
2. IIGS/BY
3. DYLW
4. Cabinessence
5. Wonderful - Rock With Me Henry Version - See Below
6. OMP+YAMS with the Barnshine ending. Doesn't Brian call this the big finale? It could be ending the first side - and it fits.

7. GV
8. CIFOTM
9. SU
10. Veggies, TSS version
11. Wind Chimes
12. The Elements is Fire and Dada. Dada bookends it all with it's Our Prayer snippet.

Why is Wonderful the one with the RWMHs?

Because it's the most fleshed out. It has the biggest instrumental track, Brian or Carl could re-record the lead, the bass vox could be re-recorded to be perfected and possibly with new lyrics, and all those yamma-yamma/be-yoop vocals would work in there, somebody even sings a little bit of RWMH on the TSS track. Maybe a little vocal break or something.

Sleep a lot chorus on Veggies is essential, as is that amazing fade.

The last track is half-assed on my part. I don't think SU makes a good closer for Smile. GV would either end Side One or start the second one, and I think it fits better as an opener for Side Two, Barnshine ends a side quite nicely. I'm about to start another thread on how insanely enigmatic Dada/CCW/IBW is, so that will be addressed some other time.

I hate CIFOTM, as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't fit anywhere, but it's on the slick.

Now, the Singles:

Heroes and Villains, '67 exploding cantina B/W the mythical H&V, Pt. 2. So, in a sense, the single is very different from the album version, but gives a taster of what is on Smile.

Veggies, B/W Wind Chimes

SU, B/W either Cabinessence or Wonderful
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« Reply #156 on: August 02, 2012, 06:24:11 PM »

How do YOU think Smile would have "gone," not "went," for high holy heaven's sake!!!

You're killing me.
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« Reply #157 on: August 02, 2012, 06:46:45 PM »

How do YOU think Smile would have "gone," not "went," for high holy heaven's sake!!!

You're killing me.

We KNOW where it went. Back on the shelf.  Afro
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« Reply #158 on: August 10, 2012, 08:19:25 AM »

Side 1:
Our Prayer-not listed, but on the label with only a running time
Heroes and Villains - GV Box "alternate" version
Wonderful - GV Box version
Old Master Painter - Medley with You Are My Sunshine
Cabinessence - GV Box version
Child Is Father of The Man - Look with Child chant over the middle sections
Do You Like Worms - 3:19 edit with one plymouth rock, wordless bicycle rider, hawaiian chant, fuzz bass coda w/ harpsichord turnaround, bicycle rider with chorus

Side 2:
Good Vibrations - Single version
I'm In Great Shape - Here is where I depart from every tracklist I've ever seen.  I use Holidays.  You can almost sing the line "fresh zen air around my head (pause) mornings tumble out of bed" along with the melody after the flute intro.  You then have to speed up and sing the eggs and grits line immediately (with the H&V demo melody) to correlate with the chords.  I love Whispering Winds as the fade.  I know some don't, but it's a nice segue into:
Wind Chimes - GV Box version
Vega-Tables - I've always used the GV Box version, but my ultimate psychedelic mix has the Cornucopia version with the "Swedish Frogs" laid behind it.  I usually stick to the GV Box version.
The Elements-I use an old edit with Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (without the drums slow ending, that fades to Workshop that fades to the Water Chant.
Surf's Up - I use the solo double-tracked demo on the GV Box.  As I like to think, the album begins and ends wordlessly, just pure sound of the human voice singing high over everything.





So, I have listened to more of the SMiLE Sessions and I think I'm ready to alter this mix, so that it includes I'm In Great Shape and other music that I had left off the above mix.  Here's what my SMiLE looks like today:

Our Prayer
Heroes and Villains
The Old Master Painter
Cabinessence
Do You Like Worms
Child Is Father of The Man
Surf's Up

Wind Chimes
The Elements - Fire
Vega-Tables
I'm In Great Shape - From the SMiLE Sessions disc 1
Wonderful
Good Vibrations
You're Welcome

Obviously Our Prayer and You're Welcome are not on the tracklist, but they represent an invocation and a coda.
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« Reply #159 on: August 10, 2012, 09:04:19 AM »

what's with all this "Our Prayer is not listed on the album", "Our Prayer is a hidden track", "Our Prayer won't be listed on the record" stuff?

Is there some quote from Brian that I've never read, "So, uh, get this - the first song on the album is this wordless bag called Our Prayer, but the thing is, no one's gonna know it's on the album, we're not gonna put it on the track listin' and it'll surprise people" or something?
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« Reply #160 on: August 10, 2012, 09:11:55 AM »

what's with all this "Our Prayer is not listed on the album", "Our Prayer is a hidden track", "Our Prayer won't be listed on the record" stuff?

Is there some quote from Brian that I've never read, "So, uh, get this - the first song on the album is this wordless bag called Our Prayer, but the thing is, no one's gonna know it's on the album, we're not gonna put it on the track listin' and it'll surprise people" or something?

He says it's not a track on the album, just something to open it, in the studio chatter. This is reinforced by the Capitol memo where it's not listed as a track either.
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« Reply #161 on: August 10, 2012, 09:32:59 AM »

what's with all this "Our Prayer is not listed on the album", "Our Prayer is a hidden track", "Our Prayer won't be listed on the record" stuff?

Is there some quote from Brian that I've never read, "So, uh, get this - the first song on the album is this wordless bag called Our Prayer, but the thing is, no one's gonna know it's on the album, we're not gonna put it on the track listin' and it'll surprise people" or something?

"Could this be considered a track?" "No, we don't wanna do that...it's just a little intro to the album"
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« Reply #162 on: August 10, 2012, 09:40:53 AM »

well, I guess Smile fandom is all about taking offhand remarks and grossly exaggerating them.
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« Reply #163 on: August 10, 2012, 09:43:30 AM »

Or maybe it is about exaggerating the importance of one's own thoughts over preserved, documented, available evidence from the composers and performers themselves, at the very moment of creation.
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« Reply #164 on: August 10, 2012, 09:46:02 AM »

Or maybe it is about exaggerating the importance of one's own thoughts over preserved, documented, available evidence from the composers and performers themselves, at the very moment of creation.

No, no, Aegir has a point. After all, this is why we don't believe that Do You Like Worms is really called Do You Like Worms, just because Brian off-handedly called it that at the time.
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« Reply #165 on: August 10, 2012, 09:48:33 AM »

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« Reply #166 on: August 10, 2012, 09:49:08 AM »

Or maybe it is about exaggerating the importance of one's own thoughts over preserved, documented, available evidence from the composers and performers themselves, at the very moment of creation.

No, no, Aegir has a point. After all, this is why we don't believe that Do You Like Worms is really called Do You Like Worms, just because Brian off-handedly called it that at the time.

Its written on the fucking box.
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« Reply #167 on: August 10, 2012, 09:50:31 AM »

Or maybe it is about exaggerating the importance of one's own thoughts over preserved, documented, available evidence from the composers and performers themselves, at the very moment of creation.

No, no, Aegir has a point. After all, this is why we don't believe that Do You Like Worms is really called Do You Like Worms, just because Brian off-handedly called it that at the time.

Its written on the f***ing box.

It's off-handedly written on the box. Stop exaggerating.
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« Reply #168 on: August 10, 2012, 09:51:01 AM »

Or maybe it is about exaggerating the importance of one's own thoughts over preserved, documented, available evidence from the composers and performers themselves, at the very moment of creation.

Exactly, which is why MY Smile track lineup is inevitably the correct one:


(Prayer)
H&V
Wonderful
Holiday
Cabin Essence
The Elements (Fire)
Child

GV
Wind
Look
Veg
Worms
Surfs Up

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« Reply #169 on: August 10, 2012, 09:51:20 AM »

Or maybe it is about exaggerating the importance of one's own thoughts over preserved, documented, available evidence from the composers and performers themselves, at the very moment of creation.

No, no, Aegir has a point. After all, this is why we don't believe that Do You Like Worms is really called Do You Like Worms, just because Brian off-handedly called it that at the time.

But the Prayer thing isn't an offhand comment. It is Brian seriously telling the group what the plan for the album is, at least that day. That Prayer is the intro to the album, and that it isn't meant to be a "track" e.g. listed on the album as a separate item. All tracklists for Smile changed thusly after that tape came to light.
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« Reply #170 on: August 10, 2012, 09:53:04 AM »

Or maybe it is about exaggerating the importance of one's own thoughts over preserved, documented, available evidence from the composers and performers themselves, at the very moment of creation.

No, no, Aegir has a point. After all, this is why we don't believe that Do You Like Worms is really called Do You Like Worms, just because Brian off-handedly called it that at the time.

But the Prayer thing isn't an offhand comment. It is Brian seriously telling the group what the plan for the album is, at least that day. That Prayer is the intro to the album, and that it isn't meant to be a "track" e.g. listed on the album as a separate item. All tracklists for Smile changed thusly after that tape came to light.

Dudes - Spaceman and Bubba, I'm on your side here. It was a joke.
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« Reply #171 on: August 10, 2012, 09:54:21 AM »

Or maybe it is about exaggerating the importance of one's own thoughts over preserved, documented, available evidence from the composers and performers themselves, at the very moment of creation.

No, no, Aegir has a point. After all, this is why we don't believe that Do You Like Worms is really called Do You Like Worms, just because Brian off-handedly called it that at the time.

But the Prayer thing isn't an offhand comment. It is Brian seriously telling the group what the plan for the album is, at least that day. That Prayer is the intro to the album, and that it isn't meant to be a "track" e.g. listed on the album as a separate item. All tracklists for Smile changed thusly after that tape came to light.

Dudes - Spaceman and Bubba, I'm on your side here. It was a joke.

Ahhh, sorry about that. You know how serious things get here.
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« Reply #172 on: August 10, 2012, 09:58:01 AM »

Or maybe it is about exaggerating the importance of one's own thoughts over preserved, documented, available evidence from the composers and performers themselves, at the very moment of creation.

No, no, Aegir has a point. After all, this is why we don't believe that Do You Like Worms is really called Do You Like Worms, just because Brian off-handedly called it that at the time.

But the Prayer thing isn't an offhand comment. It is Brian seriously telling the group what the plan for the album is, at least that day. That Prayer is the intro to the album, and that it isn't meant to be a "track" e.g. listed on the album as a separate item. All tracklists for Smile changed thusly after that tape came to light.

Dudes - Spaceman and Bubba, I'm on your side here. It was a joke.

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« Reply #173 on: August 10, 2012, 10:04:17 AM »

Or maybe it is about exaggerating the importance of one's own thoughts over preserved, documented, available evidence from the composers and performers themselves, at the very moment of creation.

No, no, Aegir has a point. After all, this is why we don't believe that Do You Like Worms is really called Do You Like Worms, just because Brian off-handedly called it that at the time.

But the Prayer thing isn't an offhand comment. It is Brian seriously telling the group what the plan for the album is, at least that day. That Prayer is the intro to the album, and that it isn't meant to be a "track" e.g. listed on the album as a separate item. All tracklists for Smile changed thusly after that tape came to light.

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« Reply #174 on: August 10, 2012, 10:22:28 AM »

I hate CIFOTM, as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't fit anywhere, but it's on the slick.

You hate "Child..."? Crazy. Such a beautiful track, and gorgeous vocals. One of my favorites from SMiLE.
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