Smile Sessions spoiler thread **Open at your own risk!**

[monicker]

So, regardless of whether or not there is any truth in the Leila joke “review,” during the interim i noticed something that confirms that the ending of Workshop and the beginning of Vegetables are going to be crossfaded. Notice that the Facebook mp3 is 3:43, while the official tracklist lists Vegetables as 3:49, six seconds longer, the exact length of the piano/workshop noises intro on BWPS before the vocals come in, or more specifically, the exact length of two extra bars. If you listen to the mp3, very careful listening right at the very beginning will reveal that the piano is already playing when the track starts, it’s less than half a second, very quick, but you can hear that it has already started. Also, notice that IWBA/Workshop is now listed as 1:23, which is shorter than what it’s always been on boots (presumably because part of the track is now running into the next track). Aside from all this, the Vegetables mp3, as has already been pointed out, is tagged with [clean start]. I don’t think everything will crossfade a la BWPS, but these two tracks definitely will. Hey, man, didn’t you know? It’s a ROCK OPERA. A THREE MOVEMENT ROCK OPERA. BRIAN SAYS SO.

I think this is fine, so long as there is a way to get a high quality digital file of the Vega-Tables 45 single for those who don’t have a record player. Everything else that has been altered on disc 1 (fly-ins, crossfades, etc.) it would seem, from a glance at the tracklist, is being represented on the rest of the discs in a more "pure" form.

[Andrew G. Doe]

So, regardless of whether or not there is any truth in the Leila joke “review,” during the interim i noticed something that confirms that the ending of Workshop and the beginning of Vegetables are going to be crossfaded.

I don't think so...

I don’t think everything will crossfade a la BWPS, but these two tracks definitely will.

Betcha they don't...

Think about it - having produced the crossfades, why then go to the hassle of making a version for FB without any such process. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

[Iron Horse-Apples]

So, regardless of whether or not there is any truth in the Leila joke “review,” during the interim i noticed something that confirms that the ending of Workshop and the beginning of Vegetables are going to be crossfaded.

I don't think so...

I don’t think everything will crossfade a la BWPS, but these two tracks definitely will.

Betcha they don't...

Think about it - having produced the crossfades, why then go to the hassle of making a version for FB without any such process. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

But then why call it clean start if there isn't a non clean start?

[monicker]

Think about it - having produced the crossfades, why then go to the hassle of making a version for FB without any such process. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

I will respond the way you're so fond of responding to others--you obviously don't know anything about music editing. A crossfade, which by the way takes 2 seconds to do, is done with two already-mixed elements (or in this case, songs), so the clean start of Vega-Tables is already made even if it's not going to have a clean start; it exists before a crossfade is even attempted. But i shouldn't have used the term "crossfade" because that's not accurate. It's just overlaying the workshop overdubs over the Vega-Tables piano--that is not a true crossfade. Regardless of what you call it though, you'd still have a completed clean start Vega-Tables mix in order to do that. Also, while i obviously don't have any solid proof that the Vega-Tables 45 will have a clean start, it would be an absolutely egregious decision to start the 45 single with the workshop overdubs. In which case, to use your logic, they would've had to have a clean start edit of the track anyway for the 45 pressing.

Anyway, how else would the [clean start] mp3 tag and the difference in running time between what's on FB and what's on the official tracklist timings be explained?

I feel that a big, elaborate put-on was schemed by the people who have already heard copies.   

[Andrew G. Doe]

So, regardless of whether or not there is any truth in the Leila joke “review,” during the interim i noticed something that confirms that the ending of Workshop and the beginning of Vegetables are going to be crossfaded.

I don't think so...

I don’t think everything will crossfade a la BWPS, but these two tracks definitely will.

Betcha they don't...

Think about it - having produced the crossfades, why then go to the hassle of making a version for FB without any such process. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

But then why call it clean start if there isn't a non clean start?

I have absolutely no idea what you're referring to.  

[Iron Horse-Apples]

What happens when you reach 10,000 posts?

Do you get a telegram from a certain grey-haired old lady?

[Wirestone]

If by that you mean Angela Lansbury, well-known connoisseur of Smile boots, then yes.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Think about it - having produced the crossfades, why then go to the hassle of making a version for FB without any such process. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

I will respond the way you're so fond of responding to others--you obviously don't know anything about music editing. A crossfade, which by the way takes 2 seconds to do, is done with two already-mixed elements (or in this case, songs), so the clean start of Vega-Tables is already made even if it's not going to have a clean start; it exists before a crossfade is even attempted. But i shouldn't have used the term "crossfade" because that's not accurate. It's just overlaying the workshop overdubs over the Vega-Tables piano--that is not a true crossfade. Regardless of what you call it though, you'd still have a completed clean start Vega-Tables mix in order to do that. Also, while i obviously don't have any solid proof that the Vega-Tables 45 will have a clean start, it would be an absolutely egregious decision to start the 45 single with the workshop overdubs. In which case, to use your logic, they would've had to have a clean start edit of the track anyway for the 45 pressing.

Anyway, how else would the [clean start] mp3 tag and the difference in running time between what's on FB and what's on the official tracklist timings be explained?

I feel that a big, elaborate put-on was schemed by the people who have already heard copies.   

You're assuming, with no proof whatsoever, that the 45 "V-T" is the same as the one on CD1. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. You can't tell from the information we have.

As for "Woodshop" crossfading into ""V-T" - I very seriously doubt it, on the grounds I've mentioned and for a few other reasons. You've used the terms "confirms" and "definitely" based on nothing more than a study of track times and a couple of bright ideas. I think that's a most unwise thing to do, because I think you're wrong. If I were going to make such an unequivocal statement, I'd want to have heard the tracks in question and, with all due respect, I don't think you have (not being nasty, just expressing my opinion). Smile is an insanely complex subject, and what you're doing is introducing more unsubstantiated theories, which is the last thing we need - God knows, when the box is released the waters will muddy even further.

[jimmy1949]

If by that you mean Angela Lansbury, well-known connoisseur of Smile boots, then yes.

Seriously??

[monicker]

You're right--i should not have used such strong terms that denote certainty. It was merely a theory; i figured that that was implicit from the fact that i DON'T know and haven't heard the set. Bad choice of words. Though to be fair, i've recently seen you do the same sort of thing on the Hoffman board (where, oddly, you seem to have a slightly less acerbic disposition than you do here). Anyway, i would be curious to hear people's thoughts on what could possibly explain the observations that i made in my first post. It really, really seems to point to what i was suggesting, but of course i don't know.

[Barnshine]

Think about it - having produced the crossfades, why then go to the hassle of making a version for FB without any such process. Doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

I will respond the way you're so fond of responding to others--you obviously don't know anything about music editing. A crossfade, which by the way takes 2 seconds to do, is done with two already-mixed elements (or in this case, songs), so the clean start of Vega-Tables is already made even if it's not going to have a clean start; it exists before a crossfade is even attempted. But i shouldn't have used the term "crossfade" because that's not accurate. It's just overlaying the workshop overdubs over the Vega-Tables piano--that is not a true crossfade. Regardless of what you call it though, you'd still have a completed clean start Vega-Tables mix in order to do that. Also, while i obviously don't have any solid proof that the Vega-Tables 45 will have a clean start, it would be an absolutely egregious decision to start the 45 single with the workshop overdubs. In which case, to use your logic, they would've had to have a clean start edit of the track anyway for the 45 pressing.

Anyway, how else would the [clean start] mp3 tag and the difference in running time between what's on FB and what's on the official tracklist timings be explained?

I feel that a big, elaborate put-on was schemed by the people who have already heard copies.   

You're assuming, with no proof whatsoever, that the 45 "V-T" is the same as the one on CD1. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. You can't tell from the information we have.

As for "Woodshop" crossfading into ""V-T" - I very seriously doubt it, on the grounds I've mentioned and for a few other reasons. You've used the terms "confirms" and "definitely" based on nothing more than a study of track times and a couple of bright ideas. I think that's a most unwise thing to do, because I think you're wrong. If I were going to make such an unequivocal statement, I'd want to have heard the tracks in question and, with all due respect, I don't think you have (not being nasty, just expressing my opinion). Smile is an insanely complex subject, and what you're doing is introducing more unsubstantiated theories, which is the last thing we need - God knows, when the box is released the waters will muddy even further.

Leila states the opposite. Her review could be untrue or not accurate, though.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Though to be fair, i've recently seen you do the same sort of thing on the Hoffman board (where, oddly, you seem to have a slightly less acerbic disposition than you do here).

You must have missed those - I'm always giving Mylene a hard time (mainly because she doesn't know what she's talking about most of the time) and in the last few days I (rightly) informed Fatheroftheman he was a moron for stating that revealing the content of a PM was fine and that, anyway, he'd not connected me with it (odd, then that he used the three letters A, G & D - in that order - to identify the origin of said PM). If I'm acerbic, it's because I want to see things done right, without spurious & bogus deduction from inadequate data.

[Cam Mott]

Where is this Leila thing?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Leila states the opposite. Her review could be untrue or not accurate, though.

Her 'review' is fascinating - it's broadly correct, but manages to omit things that she really should mention. I'm halfway to convincing myself that she's actually heard nothing whatsoever but has been given a few pages of notes from someone who has. The tagging of the 'friends' B & S is somewhat suspicious.  

[Barnshine]

Leila states the opposite. Her review could be untrue or not accurate, though.

Her 'review' is fascinating - it's broadly correct, but manages to omit things that she really should mention. I'm halfway to convincing myself that she's actually heard nothing whatsoever but has been given a few pages of notes from someone who has. The tagging of the 'friends' B & S is somewhat suspicious.  

And now I went through the 'review' and found no mention of the crossfade. I must have been dreaming. But I do remember someone who claims to have heard the set and say that the crossfade is there... well, I probably *am* imagining it. There is really no reason for them to crossfade those two tracks.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Here's one reason why I'm very dubious - the review stream has each track isolated.

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

Offer expired 12:00 AM PST 9/25/11.

IF THAT WAS AN OPEN REVIEW STREAM... I WILL EXPLODE.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Offer expired 12:00 AM PST 9/25/11.

IF THAT WAS AN OPEN REVIEW STREAM... I WILL EXPLODE.

No, just Mikie pulling your chain. 

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

Oh, thanks, I was afraid I missed that one!

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

Here's one reason why I'm very dubious - the review stream has each track isolated.

The..... REVIEW STREAM IS OPEN?!?!?!

Expect a leak in 48 hours tops.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Here's one reason why I'm very dubious - the review stream has each track isolated.

The..... REVIEW STREAM IS OPEN?!?!?!

Nope - secure and restricted server, I've been told.

[hypehat]

Here's one reason why I'm very dubious - the review stream has each track isolated.

The..... REVIEW STREAM IS OPEN?!?!?!

Expect a leak in 48 hours tops.

It's been open for ages!

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

Here's one reason why I'm very dubious - the review stream has each track isolated.

The..... REVIEW STREAM IS OPEN?!?!?!

Nope - secure and restricted server, I've been told.

The last place to talk about "secure" is here

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

[Jason]

Here's one reason why I'm very dubious - the review stream has each track isolated.

The..... REVIEW STREAM IS OPEN?!?!?!

Nope - secure and restricted server, I've been told.

The last place to talk about "secure" is here

Someone tries to hack the review stream, BRI will hire SAMCRO to take out anyone who did so!