GOOD VIBRATIONS promo video ex-ci-ta-tions

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I don't mean to be insulting but it's obvious you know nothing about the production process - story-boarding, pre-production, location scouting, shot list, etc.

That's all I needed to read. Maybe you should at least have your points of debate line up with the facts before going off on that kind of nonsense. Good luck tracking down the origins of the Fire video, or any of the Smile promo film shoots. Make sure you report back with the results.

PS:

I have a hard time believiing that this is the 'offical GV' promo video but have no idea of the history or intentions of these films.

But what about the Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (Fire) video. It looks like they took video shot for that and edited in to the GV video.  The Fire stuff is totally out of place for GV.

And no one has yet explained the origins of the - Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (Fire): SMiLE Promo Video - 1967 (which looks like the intended purpose of the footage and seems to perfectly sync to the music.)

So it's obvious you know nothing about...oh, never mind.

That's the point, nobody has 'facts' on the "Fire" video.

If it irritates you that someone on this board is speculating a theory on something "Smile" related, you are obviously VERY new to this board or you are a pissed off person 24/7.

I suggest you remove head from rear and re-read exactly what I was writing.  

Though I understand the use of logic might be too complex an exercise for you.  In that case, continue to enjoy the pretty color photos of 1960's LA.

[Andrew G. Doe]

 It's OBVIOUS the 'Fire' video was scouted, story-boarded, etc.

Why obvious ?  Where's the storyline, the exposition, the development, the climax and the resolution ?  It's a series of unconnected shots. What place in the "narrative" does the girl with the ball have ? There's more linear development and coherent storyline in The Life of an American Fireman. Plus, storyboards aren't essential: ask DW Griffith.

Consider this - if Capitol were hurting for a "GV" promo, wouldn't they have used some stock footage (as was done for "H&V" ?) as opposed to assembling some seriously odd stuff ?  Further, if Brian had it shot expressly for the Fire Music, why compromise that by letting it be used for a totally different song ?

Finally:

to summarize:

1) You've presented zilch evidence on what Brian intended for this footage.
2) You know about as much of what Brian intended for this footage as I do.
3) You'd don't know when he wrote the "Fire" music.
4) You don't know what was in his head when he filmed this stuff.
5) You don't know if Brian had anything to do with the 'GV' promo video.  

1) Nor have you...
2) Exactly...
3) Nor do you...
4) Nor do you...
5) Nor do you...

Yet you can state with certainty that it was intended for the Fire Music.  

[Sam_BFC]

He doesn't seem that certain really:

The GV promo video?  Makes no sense.  And you don't know either.

For the "Fire" music?  Yes, it would seem to me.  But I don't know either.

[Cliff1000uk]

OK, this may sound really simple and I don't mean to patronise anyone but:

Do we know a memo exists from Capitol asking for a GV promo or is the fact taken from those asked to do the editing?

Looking at the sessions held at the time (Brian's Smile Party was on the 18th!) I'm inclined to think, until proven otherwise, this was a spur on a moment, "Let's get stoned and head to the Fire Station" moment which Brian got someone to film

Also-isn't Brian wearing the same blue t-shirt on the photo shoot where he's laughing covered in vegetables? Those could have been taken on the same day

[SurfRiderHawaii]

He doesn't seem that certain really:

The GV promo video?  Makes no sense.  And you don't know either.

For the "Fire" music?  Yes, it would seem to me.  But I don't know either.

Thanks Sam!

Wow AGD.  Someone actually took the time to READ my post.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

OK, this may sound really simple and I don't mean to patronise anyone but:

Do we know a memo exists from Capitol asking for a GV promo or is the fact taken from those asked to do the editing?

Looking at the sessions held at the time (Brian's Smile Party was on the 18th!) I'm inclined to think, until proven otherwise, this was a spur on a moment, "Let's get stoned and head to the Fire Station" moment which Brian got someone to film

Also-isn't Brian wearing the same blue t-shirt on the photo shoot where he's laughing covered in vegetables? Those could have been taken on the same day

I agree.  Questions, questions.  AGD alludes to Dennis pointing out Fire hats to Brian so one would tend to think their was a method to the madness. (but did he point them out before or after the Fire station/truck/hat footage was filmed?  I don't know, I don't know, I don't know...................................................................

[metal flake paint]

The promo films for "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" and "Sloop John B" have nothing to do with their lyrics, either.

As to "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" , if you are talking about the Boys in the woods, it has an esoteric/avante garde theme to the lyrics.  Mike is playing the central character, a normal dude minding his own business camping in the wooods.  He's not 'ready'/'made' for the monstrous world of 'today'.

Just to clarify, there was no such thing as a contemporaneous promo film for "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times."

The original promo from 1966 featured excerpts of "Wouldn't It Be Nice", "Here Today" and "God Only Knows".

In 1985's "An American Band" video, a re-edited version was set to "That's Not Me".

"Endless Harmony" features a new edit set to "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times." Kudos to Alan Boyd for directing that!

[Cliff1000uk]

OK, this may sound really simple and I don't mean to patronise anyone but:

Do we know a memo exists from Capitol asking for a GV promo or is the fact taken from those asked to do the editing?

Looking at the sessions held at the time (Brian's Smile Party was on the 18th!) I'm inclined to think, until proven otherwise, this was a spur on a moment, "Let's get stoned and head to the Fire Station" moment which Brian got someone to film

Also-isn't Brian wearing the same blue t-shirt on the photo shoot where he's laughing covered in vegetables? Those could have been taken on the same day

I agree.  Questions, questions.  AGD alludes to Dennis pointing out Fire hats to Brian so one would tend to think their was a method to the madness. (but did he point them out before or after the Fire station/truck/hat footage was filmed?  I don't know, I don't know, I don't know...................................................................

AGD said Dennis pointed them out in an antiques shop in London. I'm guessing this was between 6-8 Nov, so after the fire station footage.

Another quesion is, according to AGD's site, GV was released on Oct 10, so why did Capitol leave it until after it had been released to do a promo film.
Was the promo film for the UK market alone?

[Andrew G. Doe]

OK, this may sound really simple and I don't mean to patronise anyone but:

Do we know a memo exists from Capitol asking for a GV promo or is the fact taken from those asked to do the editing?

Looking at the sessions held at the time (Brian's Smile Party was on the 18th!) I'm inclined to think, until proven otherwise, this was a spur on a moment, "Let's get stoned and head to the Fire Station" moment which Brian got someone to film

Also-isn't Brian wearing the same blue t-shirt on the photo shoot where he's laughing covered in vegetables? Those could have been taken on the same day

I agree.  Questions, questions.  AGD alludes to Dennis pointing out Fire hats to Brian so one would tend to think their was a method to the madness. (but did he point them out before or after the Fire station/truck/hat footage was filmed?  I don't know, I don't know, I don't know...................................................................

You might not, but I do. Station 27 footage was shot in October (before 21st): London antique shop footage was shot between November 6th and 15th... and I said nothing about Dennis pointing out fire hats to Brian. That would be a splendid trick as they were some 5000 miles apart at the time. What I said was that Dennis spotted a fire hat and said how much Brian loves them.

Um... and you've ignored my questions about why use that footage for a promo if it was intended for something else, as you claim.

[ghost]

Why obvious ?  Where's the storyline, the exposition, the development, the climax and the resolution ?  It's a series of unconnected shots.

Sounds like an album I know...

[Jon Stebbins]

Interesting about the location considering my wife grew up on Holly Drive just down the street from where this was filmed...and I orig. met her in '87 at a party at a condo that's about 50 ft. from that Holly Drive tunnel. We can walk from her mom's Holly Dr. house to the Hollywood Bowl, where we all went to see Brian perform in '09. Maybe they should erect another Landmark here...the Good Vibrations California State Landmark...Yeah! I could pay my mother in law to maintain it.

[guitarfool2002]

I don't mean to be insulting but it's obvious you know nothing about the production process - story-boarding, pre-production, location scouting, shot list, etc.

That's all I needed to read. Maybe you should at least have your points of debate line up with the facts before going off on that kind of nonsense. Good luck tracking down the origins of the Fire video, or any of the Smile promo film shoots. Make sure you report back with the results.

PS:

I have a hard time believiing that this is the 'offical GV' promo video but have no idea of the history or intentions of these films.

But what about the Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (Fire) video. It looks like they took video shot for that and edited in to the GV video.  The Fire stuff is totally out of place for GV.

And no one has yet explained the origins of the - Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (Fire): SMiLE Promo Video - 1967 (which looks like the intended purpose of the footage and seems to perfectly sync to the music.)

So it's obvious you know nothing about...oh, never mind.

That's the point, nobody has 'facts' on the "Fire" video.

If it irritates you that someone on this board is speculating a theory on something "Smile" related, you are obviously VERY new to this board or you are a pissed off person 24/7.

I suggest you remove head from rear and re-read exactly what I was writing.  

Though I understand the use of logic might be too complex an exercise for you.  In that case, continue to enjoy the pretty color photos of 1960's LA.

There are facts on the "Fire" video and the fact is there never was a "Fire" video. Period. You can't accept that so you turn it into personal insults. Pathetic.

I re-read and quoted exactly what you had written and it still sounds like you don't have a clue about this topic. Or you just like to start debates to stir up trouble and use that to go into personal insult territory.

If you have a problem with me from "the old days", or whatever else, just let me know who you are or were back then. Otherwise go f*** yourself, asshole.

[guitarfool2002]

Oh, just for the record:

David Anderle talking to Paul Williams about Smile, late 60's:

"There was gonna be the Post article by Jules Siegel, he was on television, an incredible amount of excuses not to cut (record), things to get into. The little film for "Good Vibrations", which took time away, the guys being out of town, whatever, he was clinging onto excuses."

That "little film" for Good Vibrations seems to be what we're discussing.

[ghost]

Come on kids, play nice, it's just a little video someone shot and forgot allllll about back in 1966.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Come on kids, play nice, it's just a little video someone shot and forgot allllll about back in 1966.

What video ?

[ghost]

Come on kids, play nice, it's just a little video someone shot and forgot allllll about back in 1966.

What video ?

The one of your birth where you emerge from the womb holding a copy of Cool Head, Warm Amniotic Water

[guitarfool2002]

Thanks to "Been Too Long" and "The Other Anonymous":

1966


2011


That freeway on-ramp seems to have been a key location for filming. I never would have guessed that. It's too bad so many trees and shrubs are blocking the same angles they had in '66, I enjoy doing then-and-now comparisons of streets and towns like this. Geek central indeed!

[ghost]

That's pretty cool actually, I enjoy seeing that too.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I don't mean to be insulting but it's obvious you know nothing about the production process - story-boarding, pre-production, location scouting, shot list, etc.

That's all I needed to read. Maybe you should at least have your points of debate line up with the facts before going off on that kind of nonsense. Good luck tracking down the origins of the Fire video, or any of the Smile promo film shoots. Make sure you report back with the results.

PS:

I have a hard time believiing that this is the 'offical GV' promo video but have no idea of the history or intentions of these films.

But what about the Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (Fire) video. It looks like they took video shot for that and edited in to the GV video.  The Fire stuff is totally out of place for GV.

And no one has yet explained the origins of the - Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (Fire): SMiLE Promo Video - 1967 (which looks like the intended purpose of the footage and seems to perfectly sync to the music.)

So it's obvious you know nothing about...oh, never mind.

That's the point, nobody has 'facts' on the "Fire" video.

If it irritates you that someone on this board is speculating a theory on something "Smile" related, you are obviously VERY new to this board or you are a pissed off person 24/7.

I suggest you remove head from rear and re-read exactly what I was writing. 

Though I understand the use of logic might be too complex an exercise for you.  In that case, continue to enjoy the pretty color photos of 1960's LA.

There are facts on the "Fire" video and the fact is there never was a "Fire" video. Period. You can't accept that so you turn it into personal insults. Pathetic.

I re-read and quoted exactly what you had written and it still sounds like you don't have a clue about this topic. Or you just like to start debates to stir up trouble and use that to go into personal insult territory.

If you have a problem with me from "the old days", or whatever else, just let me know who you are or were back then. Otherwise go f*ck yourself, butthole.

My gosh, that is an amazingly, um, #$##$!@$ statement!  Maybe their was no 'Fire' video (just speculating wildly here, stab in the dark), because Brian dropped 'Smile', never released the music and, if legend is true, had some kind of mental freak-out after recording the music.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

AIf it irritates you that someone on this board is speculating a theory on something "Smile" related, you are obviously VERY new to this board or you are a pissed off person 24/7..)

[/quote]

If you have a problem with me from "the old days", or whatever else, just let me know who you are or were back then. Otherwise go f*ck yourself, butthole.

I've never had the misfortune to come across you before but thank you for so clearly and quickly displaying your mental state.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

OK, this may sound really simple and I don't mean to patronise anyone but:

Do we know a memo exists from Capitol asking for a GV promo or is the fact taken from those asked to do the editing?

Looking at the sessions held at the time (Brian's Smile Party was on the 18th!) I'm inclined to think, until proven otherwise, this was a spur on a moment, "Let's get stoned and head to the Fire Station" moment which Brian got someone to film

Also-isn't Brian wearing the same blue t-shirt on the photo shoot where he's laughing covered in vegetables? Those could have been taken on the same day

I agree.  Questions, questions.  AGD alludes to Dennis pointing out Fire hats to Brian so one would tend to think their was a method to the madness. (but did he point them out before or after the Fire station/truck/hat footage was filmed?  I don't know, I don't know, I don't know...................................................................

You might not, but I do. Station 27 footage was shot in October (before 21st): London antique shop footage was shot between November 6th and 15th... and I said nothing about Dennis pointing out fire hats to Brian. That would be a splendid trick as they were some 5000 miles apart at the time. What I said was that Dennis spotted a fire hat and said how much Brian loves them.

Um... and you've ignored my questions about why use that footage for a promo if it was intended for something else, as you claim.

AGD, just to help you; there are numbered buttons in the upper left hand corner of the screen where you can go back and 'read' prior posts.  As Sam pointed out, you maybe are not reading them clearly.

To quote my earlier post (I've said this like three times), "This official 'GV' Promo video was patched together because Capitol  Records needed a promo video fast and this was the footage they had available. That's my hypothesis and I'm sticking to it."

[ghost]

I've never had the misfortune to come across you before but thank you for so clearly and quickly displaying your mental state.

lol you said some jerky things to him before he responded with that to you!

[SurfRiderHawaii]

I've never had the misfortune to come across you before but thank you for so clearly and quickly displaying your mental state.

lol you said some jerky things to him before he responded with that to you!

You're right - I should have not made that "it's obvious you don't know editing, ......" comment

[Andrew G. Doe]

AGD, just to help you; there are numbered buttons in the upper left hand corner of the screen where you can go back and 'read' prior posts.  As Sam pointed out, you maybe are not reading them clearly.

To quote my earlier post (I've said this like three times), "This official 'GV' Promo video was patched together because Capitol  Records needed a promo video fast and this was the footage they had available. That's my hypothesis and I'm sticking to it."

Yeah, I know. This may amaze you, but I can read, and used a message board. But these were the questions you sidestepped:

Consider this - if Capitol were hurting for a "GV" promo, wouldn't they have used some stock footage (as was done for "H&V" ?) as opposed to assembling some seriously odd stuff ? (In other words, if it was odd for Brian to use that as a "GV" promo, it's odd cubed that Capitol would do so: your logic has to apply to both cases - can't pick and choose)  Further, if Brian had it shot expressly for the Fire Music, why compromise that by letting it be used for a totally different song ?

PS: a little civility would help your cause considerably. Plus, sarcasm doesn't work with me. You'll need to to much better than that.

[ghost]

such as?

such as telling him to take his head out of his ass, implying he can't think logically, telling him to just enjoy the pretty pictures instead ...