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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2011, 06:01:23 PM »

Updated session info in this thread.
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« Reply #26 on: October 09, 2011, 06:24:55 PM »

For lack of anything better to do till I have a job, the last couple days I've been cutting and pasting and putting together the sessions as per The Real Beach Boy's list...curse Brian for doing the easy stuff first, labeling and separating Look and Wind Chimes was easy, but once you get to Cabinessence this has become a full-time job...I finished up to Heroes and Villains and have immediately started dragging my feet because I know that's going to be madness, maybe I should just wait till the box comes out...
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« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2011, 06:33:53 PM »

Keep in mind, however, this list is most likely due to change when the box set comes out. There are some titles on the box set that have me thrown for a loop. Expect a new update on 11/1. Most likely half of the Heroes stuff will be reordered.
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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2011, 03:56:07 AM »

I have been working full time and spending time with my family. And yet I have felt compelled to compile all of this material for a long time.

So I started about a week ago and have been doing it my spare time. Luckily I have most of this in lossless format to work with (of course some of that lossless material is sourced from lossy but I can't be too picky. But the cool thing is how I have been editing it. First off I've taken every take and rehearsal and made it it's own separate track (for instance the tracking sessions for "Cabinessence" total 41 tracks from 1966/10/03!). I have eliminated all dead space at the beginning or ending (even sometimes in the middle) of dead space. I have gotten rid of a couple of nasty pops from "Holidays" takes 1 - 3. I'm generally improving the quality as much as possible without fucking with it too much (noise reduction, compression, etc.). I want to have this done before I get my box on the 1st so I can work all of that material in as well and change the dates, etc. to make the ultimate set of as much as we will ever have of these sessions. But I am stuck on a couple of things:

01) Unbooted tracks. such as this one (the first one I encountered):
from 12-6-66 "Cabinessence" Chorus vocal overdub, from acetate (mono) (0:29)
This has to have been something I've at least heard before. But where from? It's not on any boot? Not even Prokopy tapes or anything? This burns!!! Especially knowing that I will stumble across more obstacles like this many more times. Damn it!

02) I want to mix in the "Good Vibrations" sessions as well. I have SOT Unsurpassed Master #15, Pocket Symphony, Heroes & Vibrations, etc. What else am I missing? That could take a long time just to get that in a proper order.

I'm still going to continue working on this however. And I'm releaved to see I am not alone in attempting this project. Maybe we could all exchange notes via private messages or something. Anyway, I just got home from work and I'm going to start editing some more while my family is still asleep.

Joy!

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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2011, 09:13:23 AM »

Thank you very much (and to Craig)! Ill be working on that as well.

Been going through this and I have been having some setbacks and other odd things with this list. I've been having some fun with it too. Like for instance there is a great sounding (yet edited) track or "Prayer - Rehearsals" on Archaeology that I was able to edit with the between and after stuff from Vigotone. Nice fun, but I'm sure a better version is making the rounds somewhere, just not here.

 Embarrassed

I found that the "unbooted" takes 8-10 are on the SOT Source Tape. Not that I have gotten that far yet. I last left it working on "Child Is The Father Of The Man". And I found out that there were only 6 takes of the verse (not 10) and that take 6 was miscalled as take 5.

I'm getting sleepy having worked all night (dealing table games to a bunch of assholes in a Las Vegas casino) but I'll get back to it again tomorrow. Thank you for the information on "Good Vibrations". I think I will make a second and third box to supplement the grand one we're getting in a few weeks: the second one of outtakes of the outtakes and the third (which I will listen to least) the talking bits or "Psychedelic Sounds" if you will. Why not have 3 boxes? I'm sure I'll reach for the 1st (official) one more than the others. But I have fun going through this bootleg stuff because, man, this music transcends pop into a whole different bag. Far out.

Cheers

P.S. If anybody is making their own set, feel free to PM me so we can discuss it.
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« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2011, 12:55:50 PM »

I think it would be nice if we can make a list of all the essential Smile tracks/recordings/mixes we already have, but aren't present on the new box set. People can compile that list from their own collection and then have all the essential Smile tracks on two sets: one official and one 'extra'.
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« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2011, 01:01:57 PM »

That's actually what I plan to do when I get the box set all squared away and listened to and studied and what have you. The original list that I posted here (and have been updating every so often as part of my BBs audio project) took at least six months to properly articulate and organize by auditioning tons of audio material. I was "doo-yoob"ing in my sleep half the time!
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« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2011, 09:45:07 PM »

Bumped for further update thanks to Mr. Jasphart.
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« Reply #33 on: October 13, 2011, 02:19:14 AM »

Bumped for further update thanks to Mr. Jasphart.
Thanks for keeping the list updated; I'm following this thread closely!

I'm trying to trim down my smile playlist to match your list.
There are some tracks from the UM. 17 box that don't seem to appear on your list - are they duplicates or do they belong to a different session? They might be on the list somewhere and I'm just missing them but I've looked quite closely and can't spot them. They are:

   01/17 Heroes & Villains (Part 2, Takes 1 & 2)   1:40

   01/18 Heroes & Villains (Part 2, Takes 4-8)   2:35

   01/19 Heroes & Villains (Part 2, takes 14-15)   0:33

If you could clarify where these belong I'd really appreciate it. Thanks again!
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« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2011, 05:24:48 AM »

THE OLD MASTER PAINTER/YOU WERE MY SUNSHINE
11-30-66

Part 2, takes 1-8, 14-15 (stereo) (6:25)
Part 2, mono mix (mono) (1:14)
Part 2, stereo mix (stereo) (1:11)
Mono mix (mono) (1:08)
Part 2, mono mix ("Barnshine") (mono) (0:53)
Mark Linett/Alan Boyd 2011 mix (mono) (1:57)

Available on Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 "Smile Sessions" (part 2 takes 1-2, 4-8, 14-15, mono mix, stereo mix), Vigotone 2-CD "Smile" (final mono mix), unbooted (part 2 take 3, "Barnshine", but available in lesser quality in mp3 format), The Smile Sessions 5-CD (Mark Linett/Alan Boyd 2011 mix) (1:57)
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« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2011, 05:44:15 AM »

..I thought I had it all when I came into possession of SOT 16 and 17 to go along with Vigotone 110 and 111 and Archeology--wrong.  Never had heard Tune X\Tones until Secret Smile---great thread
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« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2011, 05:46:15 AM »

Brilliant, thanks (The Real Beach Boy)! I don't associate that song snippet with the old master painter sessions so didn't think to look there.
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« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2011, 07:17:12 AM »


THE OLD MASTER PAINTER/YOU WERE MY SUNSHINE
11-30-66

Part 2, takes 1-8, 14-15 (stereo) (6:25)
Part 2, mono mix (mono) (1:14)
Part 2, stereo mix (stereo) (1:11)
Mono mix (mono) (1:08)
Part 2, mono mix ("Barnshine") (mono) (0:53)
Mark Linett/Alan Boyd 2011 mix (mono) (1:57)

Available on Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 "Smile Sessions" (part 2 takes 1-2, 4-8, 14-15, mono mix, stereo mix), Vigotone 2-CD "Smile" (final mono mix), unbooted (part 2 take 3, "Barnshine", but available in lesser quality in mp3 format), The Smile Sessions 5-CD (Mark Linett/Alan Boyd 2011 mix) (1:57)

Hi, thanks for your updates. I'm wondering why you are calling all sessions and mixes Part 2. I thought Part 2 would we Barnshine, and part 1 the actual TOMP/YWMS.

Further there is one small thing: the stereo mix is actually on UM 16, not 17.

(O, and another: Barnshine with vocals is available on Secret Smile, but as a different mix on Project Smile, with the vocals much clearer and the instruments more on the background).

Thanks again!
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« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2011, 07:36:35 AM »


THE OLD MASTER PAINTER/YOU WERE MY SUNSHINE
11-30-66

Part 2, takes 1-8, 14-15 (stereo) (6:25)
Part 2, mono mix (mono) (1:14)
Part 2, stereo mix (stereo) (1:11)
Mono mix (mono) (1:08)
Part 2, mono mix ("Barnshine") (mono) (0:53)
Mark Linett/Alan Boyd 2011 mix (mono) (1:57)

Available on Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 "Smile Sessions" (part 2 takes 1-2, 4-8, 14-15, mono mix, stereo mix), Vigotone 2-CD "Smile" (final mono mix), unbooted (part 2 take 3, "Barnshine", but available in lesser quality in mp3 format), The Smile Sessions 5-CD (Mark Linett/Alan Boyd 2011 mix) (1:57)

Hi, thanks for your updates. I'm wondering why you are calling all sessions and mixes Part 2. I thought Part 2 would we Barnshine, and part 1 the actual TOMP/YWMS.

Further there is one small thing: the stereo mix is actually on UM 16, not 17.

(O, and another: Barnshine with vocals is available on Secret Smile, but as a different mix on Project Smile, with the vocals much clearer and the instruments more on the background).

Thanks again!

"Part 2, stereo mix" is the same track as track 13 on disc 1 of SOT 17. There is nothing of the sort on SOT 16. I refer to "Barnshine" as such to differentiate it from the other "Part 2" tracks in the list, as the other Part 2 mixes do not have the buried lead vocals.
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« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2011, 07:47:14 AM »

Thanks for your answer, it is clear to me now.
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« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2011, 08:03:41 AM »

Hi, something else I noticed: you mention one mono acetate mix for CIFOTM, and one stereo acetate mix. I think the stereo version is mono as well, but just in bad quality so that it sounds a bit like stereo.
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« Reply #41 on: October 13, 2011, 08:48:08 AM »

Fixed.

For the record, I split the inventory posts into their own thread, which I am going to lock. Any discussion is to be posted here. I will edit as necessary.

This thread is going to be un-sticky'd. However, let's try to keep all of the nitpicky (good nitpicky) comments about the inventory in this thread. Any new threads started will be merged with this one.
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« Reply #42 on: October 13, 2011, 10:06:45 AM »

Nice job, J!
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« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2011, 02:07:02 PM »

Fixed.

For the record, I split the inventory posts into their own thread, which I am going to lock. Any discussion is to be posted here. I will edit as necessary.

This thread is going to be un-sticky'd. However, let's try to keep all of the nitpicky (good nitpicky) comments about the inventory in this thread. Any new threads started will be merged with this one.

A question and a comment:

The music known as "False Barnyard" was a part of OMP/YAMS originally instead of H&V?  It was then popped out at some point for H&V (Cantina Mix) correct before Brian just decided to re-record the fade all together (Fade re-record 2-28-67)?

My comment is on the Psychedelic Talk as found on SOT 14.  I don't believe this is in any way a SMiLE era recording and in fact dates from a "Pet Sounds" session.  The reason I say this is because I vaguely recall playbacks of "Wouldn't It Be Nice" occurring in the background as Brian and his pals chatter away.
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« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2011, 02:19:21 PM »

Fixed.

For the record, I split the inventory posts into their own thread, which I am going to lock. Any discussion is to be posted here. I will edit as necessary.

This thread is going to be un-sticky'd. However, let's try to keep all of the nitpicky (good nitpicky) comments about the inventory in this thread. Any new threads started will be merged with this one.

A question and a comment:

The music known as "False Barnyard" was a part of OMP/YAMS originally instead of H&V?  It was then popped out at some point for H&V (Cantina Mix) correct before Brian just decided to re-record the fade all together (Fade re-record 2-28-67)?

My comment is on the Psychedelic Talk as found on SOT 14.  I don't believe this is in any way a SMiLE era recording and in fact dates from a "Pet Sounds" session.  The reason I say this is because I vaguely recall playbacks of "Wouldn't It Be Nice" occurring in the background as Brian and his pals chatter away.

On the first statement, yes on both counts.

I also had reservations on the Psychedelic Talk thing as well. I've heard conflicting reports from people who claim it's from Pet Sounds and people who swear up and down it's a Smile recording. I've not heard definitive proof either way, so it's still up in the air.
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« Reply #45 on: October 15, 2011, 07:55:46 AM »

Hi TheRealBeachBoy. Today I started looking at one track at a time, and I will post my comments/thanks and suggestions here. First track: Wind Chimes.

The 1st vocal overdub (from UM 17) is available as Assembly with vocal on the SOT Source Tape, in less good quality, but very slightly longer at the beginning and the end.

The ending take 3 is available from 3 sources: UM17 (best quality), SOT Source Tape (less good quality, still stereo) and Secret Smile (mono). UM 17 and Secret Smile start at the same point, but Secret Smile lasts 7 seconds longer. Source Tape stats later, lasts longer than UM 17 but shorter than Secret Smile. But it is in stereo. So, eventually all sources might be essential.

Futhermore there is a track on the SOT Source Tape called Wind Chimes (session) which is a not so good quality compilation of sessions also found on UM 17 (from takes 1-5). However, there are some small snippetts of sounds/instruments etcetera in between the takes that is not on UM 17, so I think it might be essential.

(And a small typo - Mark Linett 1988 mix (mono) (2:31) should be Mark Linett 1993 mix (mono) (2:31). The Vigotone mix is from 1988 I think.)

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« Reply #46 on: October 15, 2011, 08:27:10 AM »

Regarding the Prokopy Tape entry for Cabinessence

12-27-66

Tag, vocal overdub attempt (mono) (1:38)
Chorus/tag vocal overdub (mono) (1:46)
2nd chorus "Truck Drivin' Man" vocal overdub (stereo) (0:43)
Mono mix attempt (mono) (3:22)
Mono mix (mono) (3:31)
Mark Linett/Alan Boyd 2011 mix (mono) (3:32)

Available on Secret Smile (tag, vocal overdub attempt, chorus/tag vocal overdub, 2nd chorus "Truck Drivin' Man" vocal overdub), Prokopy Tapes (mono mix attempt), 20/20 (mono mix), The Smile Sessions 5-CD (Mark Linett/Alan Boyd 2011 mix) (Note: Chorus/tag vocal overdub is also on Brian's comp reel tape from December 1966)
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Going from memory of the linear notes for TPT from back in the day where I was researching this stuff like crazy, The Prokopy Tapes contain five versions of "Cabinessence".  They are as follows: The 20/20 mix, the instrumental (track assembly) from GV box set (disc 5) and then three deviating versions all found on the VigOtone bootleg.  Apologies for the unsophisticated identification but to my knowledge these mixes were a) doin doin b) instrumental coolie c) vocal coolie. 

Are one of these deviating mixes what you are indicating above?
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« Reply #47 on: October 15, 2011, 09:30:08 AM »

The 1st vocal overdub (from UM 17) is available as Assembly with vocal on the SOT Source Tape, in less good quality, but very slightly longer at the beginning and the end.

I will have to review this when I get home from work. I was unsure whether to include it or not on the list but it seems to merit a re-examination.

The ending take 3 is available from 3 sources: UM17 (best quality), SOT Source Tape (less good quality, still stereo) and Secret Smile (mono). UM 17 and Secret Smile start at the same point, but Secret Smile lasts 7 seconds longer. Source Tape stats later, lasts longer than UM 17 but shorter than Secret Smile. But it is in stereo. So, eventually all sources might be essential.

I'll have to take another look at those.

Futhermore there is a track on the SOT Source Tape called Wind Chimes (session) which is a not so good quality compilation of sessions also found on UM 17 (from takes 1-5). However, there are some small snippetts of sounds/instruments etcetera in between the takes that is not on UM 17, so I think it might be essential.

As far as I'm aware there's nothing new in there but I'll take another listen.

(And a small typo - Mark Linett 1988 mix (mono) (2:31) should be Mark Linett 1993 mix (mono) (2:31). The Vigotone mix is from 1988 I think.)

That mix is what was released on the box set. It was confirmed to have been made in 1988.
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« Reply #48 on: October 15, 2011, 09:36:47 AM »

Regarding the Prokopy Tape entry for Cabinessence

12-27-66

Tag, vocal overdub attempt (mono) (1:38)
Chorus/tag vocal overdub (mono) (1:46)
2nd chorus "Truck Drivin' Man" vocal overdub (stereo) (0:43)
Mono mix attempt (mono) (3:22)
Mono mix (mono) (3:31)
Mark Linett/Alan Boyd 2011 mix (mono) (3:32)

Available on Secret Smile (tag, vocal overdub attempt, chorus/tag vocal overdub, 2nd chorus "Truck Drivin' Man" vocal overdub), Prokopy Tapes (mono mix attempt), 20/20 (mono mix), The Smile Sessions 5-CD (Mark Linett/Alan Boyd 2011 mix) (Note: Chorus/tag vocal overdub is also on Brian's comp reel tape from December 1966)
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Going from memory of the linear notes for TPT from back in the day where I was researching this stuff like crazy, The Prokopy Tapes contain five versions of "Cabinessence".  They are as follows: The 20/20 mix, the instrumental (track assembly) from GV box set (disc 5) and then three deviating versions all found on the VigOtone bootleg.  Apologies for the unsophisticated identification but to my knowledge these mixes were a) doin doin b) instrumental coolie c) vocal coolie. 

Are one of these deviating mixes what you are indicating above?

No. This mix runs 3:22 and is on the Prokopy Tapes. The description of the track is below.

Quote from: Dave Prokopy
"Cabin Essence" [early version #3] (B.Wilson/V.D.Parks)
recorded: 3 & 11 October, 6 & 27 December 1966
source: bootleg [mono]

The final work done on "Cabin Essence" during the SMILE sessions consisted of Brian adding his "doin-doin" vocals to the "Home On The Range" section of the song.  One final test mix for the song was done, which can be heard here.  Note that this mix features all of the elements of the eventual 20/20 release, in order.  (Curiously absent is the "over and over" lead vocals, which had presumably been recorded by that point!)  Also listen for the stray whistle sounds and other miscellaneous chatter.  It's unclear whether this existed on the original tapes, or somehow "migrated" (via poorly-erased tapes during the bootlegging process) from other SMILE tracks.

So all that remained to be recorded at this point was the lead vocal on the "Home On The Range" sections.  This was done by Carl in 1968, presumably along with the vocals for the "truck drivin' man" section.  It's not exactly clear who sings that section, although Dennis lays claim to it in an interview: "On 'Cabin Essence,' there's a line in there--'truck drivin' man'--which I sang. [...]  It's mixed way down in the track and it's syncopated all the way through."

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« Reply #49 on: October 15, 2011, 10:46:43 AM »

I've been wanting to point this one out:

12-27-66

Tag, vocal overdub attempt (mono) (1:38)
Chorus/tag vocal overdub (mono) (1:46)
2nd chorus "Truck Drivin' Man" vocal overdub (stereo) (0:43)
Mono mix attempt (mono) (3:22)
Mono mix (mono) (3:31)
Mark Linett/Alan Boyd 2011 mix (mono) (3:32)

Available on Secret Smile (tag, vocal overdub attempt, chorus/tag vocal overdub, 2nd chorus "Truck Drivin' Man" vocal overdub), Prokopy Tapes (mono mix attempt), 20/20 (mono mix), The Smile Sessions 5-CD (Mark Linett/Alan Boyd 2011 mix) (Note: Chorus/tag vocal overdub is also on Brian's comp reel tape from December 1966)

I chose to not include this at all. It's totally a stereo mix (try your headphones) and has a 1968 lead vocal. What is this about a mono mix on 20/20???
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