To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory"

[changeng]

Hokey dokey!

This is probably a good time to start a thread of what discs you SHOULD have to claim a complete SMiLE outtakes/bootlegs/extra tracks collection.  If this list exists elsewhere (and more complete) , please chime in.  

Since we're two months from TSS, let's make sure everybody is as up-to-date as possible!  I haven't been on the lookout for several years - if I'm missing something, let me know.

And if anyone wants to get REAL specific (as to which tracks are on what) please do!

30 Years of The Beach Boys  Box Set
Pet Sounds Box Set (for the Good Vibrations tracks, in case you don't want the separate GV box set)

Vigotone - cd version of the old three vinyl lp set
Secret Smile
Unsurpassed Masters 18
Heroes And Villains Sessions parts 1 & 2
Heroes and Vibrations
Project Smile for the fun of it

Am i missing anything?

[smile-holland]

Unsurpassed Masters vol 18 is the Alternative SMILEY SMILE album. You better pick UM 16, 17 & 18 (Good Vibes box, SMiLE, and SMilE sessions box)

[Paul2010]

I did some research and looked at all my bootlegs and I think I may have a complete Smile collection by now. This is what I have:

Best Unsurpassed Masters (CD 4) - Unique Vega-Tables (and maybe Good Vibrations) mixes.
Heroes And Vibrations
Smile 1988 Mark Linet Rough Mixes - I think this one doesn't have any core tracks on it, just noise reduced Vigotone mixes
UM 15 - GV Sessions
UM 16 - Smile - For some stereo tracks - DYLW, TOMP, HGS, WF, CIFOTM, Look take 3, IWBA, WC/MOLC/Water Chant
UM 17 - Smile Sessions
UM 18 - Smiley Smile
Heroes And Villains Sessions Parts 1 & 2 - Some unique sessions/other parts
Heroes And Villains Sessions - Vol. 2 - This one seems to be available mp3 sourced only. I have found a flac version, but that seems to be mp3 sourced as well. However, the mp3 and flac discs are different in mastering, so both are needed for a core collection I think.
Psychedeic Sounds - Includes IIGS and All Day sessions (mp3 sourced)
Secret Smile - Various core tracks, Cabin Essence sessions, rough mixes, and upgrades for some Archaeology tracks.
Archaeology - Some unique tracks, like stereo HAV outtakes
Smile (Odeon) - Probably nothing special on this, only some alternate mixes made by the bootleg label itself I think.
Smile (Vigotone) 1st version. - I found two versions of this, and "version 1" seems to be the best source.
Smile Sessions (Sea Of Tunes Source Tape) - Again, some unique sessions/tracks.
Project Smile - For some small bits I don't have anywhere else.

And for official releases, you need:

Smiley Smile/Wild Honey
Friends/20/20
Sunflower/Surf's Up
Good Vibrations CD Single
Good Vibrations Box Set
Pet Sounds Sessions Box Set (for GV)
Hawthorne, CA (Stereo mixes/GV/With Me Tonight)
Endless Harmony (Good quality HAV/IIGS/Barnyard demo)

I think this seems to be all, if I missed something, please add it to the list!
Paul

[changeng]

Thanks, guys!  Was asleep last night when I started the thread. 

Is there any place online that some kind soul has taken the time to actually detail what is on each cd/lp that is necessary? 

Fr'instance, where a song is listed, what version, and where to find it?

Seems like a good thing to do, so the geekier of us can put a pseudo-library reference together, including the new stuff once we have it.

[The Shift]

Is there any place online that some kind soul has taken the time to actually detail what is on each cd/lp that is necessary? 
…
Seems like a good thing to do, so the geekier of us can put a pseudo-library reference together, including the new stuff once we have it.

like A Big Bag of Vegetables, I guess! 

You could add Long Lost Surf Songs Vol 2 – that was the first place I heard the faint "Sunshine" lyrics on "False Barnyard", though they're near-as-damn-it inaudible and incomprehensible.

There was a similar attempt at this idea a couple of year back:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,6617.0.html

[Paul2010]

The False barnyard lyrics are on Secret Smile as well, and possibly in better quality on Project Smile.
I would  be interested in such a "Smile complete" project, a bit like Purple Chick's Beatles Deluxe Editions. We could try and make a list. I once compared the BBOV list with my collection and I could find almost every track, with two or three exceptions. And there were a few tracks I had, but weren't on the list.

[JohnMill]

I did some research and looked at all my bootlegs and I think I may have a complete Smile collection by now. This is what I have:

Best Unsurpassed Masters (CD 4) - Unique Vega-Tables (and maybe Good Vibrations) mixes.

This is kind of off topic but I've wanted an answer on this for years.  Best of UM is the only place you can find the track for "Shut Down" correct?

On-Topic: There is a document entitled "SMiLE Just The Facts" which is essential reading about what exists as far as SMiLE recordings.  It tells you where everything can be found and does side by side analysis of tracks so you can see what overlaps where.  The only issue is I don't believe it was even updated to include the releases of "Secret Smile" and "Psychedelic Sounds" but since most of the recordings released on those collections are unique to those collections it might not even matter.

[Paul2010]

Hi JohnMill, unfortunately I wouldn't know whether that track is only to be found on that bootleg: I only have disc 4.

On topic again; I know that document, it was online at the Smile Shop web page.
Does anyone know how up to date the BBOV tracklist was? To my knowledge it was pretty much complete. I can try to post the tracklist (one disc at a time) and the source for each track listed. Anyone will be free to add related tracks, suggest different sources and discuss it.

[Paul2010]

In this thread

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=60c0720fef0b1d87823d0b1a95747732&topic=4765.0

I found the tracklist I meant: the 12 CD The Smile Sessions tracklist. I will try to find the sources for disc 1 tomorrow.

[Paul2010]

My first attempt at disc 1. It is by no means complete, there are some tracks listed that I couldn´t find with a quick search. Please participate and make the list complete! By the way, disc 1 and 2 are by far the hardest, the HAV sessions are hard to follow and they are featured on almost every bootleg, some parts multiple times and from multiple sources.

Disc 1:                  
1. H&V Verse (studio setup - oscillator query)   HAV Parts 1&2
2. H&V verse (rehearsal) Vol. 2
3. H&V verse (take 1) Vol. 2
4. H&V verse (takes 2 & 3)               
5. H&V verse (take 4) Vol. 2
6. H&V verse (instrumental stereo) Archaeology
7. H&V verse (instrumental mono mix) GV Box
8. H&V verse (backing vocal overdub)         
9. H&V verse (acetate Feb 10 1967 lead vox)   Vol. 2/Vigotone
10. H&V verse (1st vocal overdub) Vol. 2 (longer)/UM 17 (better)
11. H&V verse (2nd vocal overdub)   Vol. 2 (longer)/UM 17 (better)
12. H&V verse (3rd vocal overdub) Vol. 2 (longer)/UM 17 (better)
13. H&V verse (4th vocal overdub) Vol. 2 (longer)/UM 17 (better)
14. H&V verse (5th vocal overdub) Vol. 2 (longer)/UM 17 (better)
15. H&V verse (mono mix attempt 1) UM 17
16. H&V verse (mono mix attempt 2) UM 17
17. H&V verse (Mix session) Vol. 2
18. H&V verse (mono mix attempt 3) UM 17
19. H&V verse (test edit 1) Vol. 2
20. H&V verse (test edit 2) Vol. 2
21. H&V In the Cantina (session part 1)   Parts 1&2 (Rehearsals)
22. H&V In the Cantina (session part 2)            
23. H&V In the Cantina (session part 3)   Arch. 12-15/Vol. 2 (longer)
24. H&V In the Cantina (take 4) Vol. 2
25. H&V In the Cantina (voc overdub mono) UM 17
26. H&V In the Cantina (voc overdub mono with laughs) HAV Parts 1&2
27. H&V In the Cantina (stereo) Archaeology
28. H&V Soul Made Beautiful (session) Parts 1&2
29. H&V Sunny Down Snuff (backing vox session) Parts 1&2, Arch. (better quailty)
30. H&V Sunny Down Snuff Archaeology?
31. H&V Sunny Down Snuff (stereo) Archaeology?
32. H&V Hold On (take 9 piano track) I can only find take 8, which is on Vol. 2
33. H&V Gee (session) Arch. 23, 24, 28 + Vol. 2 t13, Parts 1&2?
34. H&V Gee (mix session) Parts 1&2
EXTRA: UM 17, Part 2 mono edit (d1t10) UM 17
35. H&V Part 2 variations   Vol. 2
36. H&V Part 2 variations (stereo) Archaeology
37. H&V Part 2 variations    Vol. 2
38. H&V Part 2 variations (stereo) Archaeology
39. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (session part 1) Parts 1&2?
40. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (session part 2) Parts 1&2?
41. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (final stereo) Parts 1&2
42. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (final mono)    Vol. 2
43. H&V Do alot Mono on Vol. 2, Stereo on Parts 1&2
44. H&V Tag (takes 1 & 2) UM 17
45. H&V Tag (takes 4 -    UM 17
46. H&V Tag (takes 14 & 15) UM 17
47. H&V Tag (vox reverb fx mono mix) UM 17
48. H&V Tag (alternate vox)               
49. H&V Tag (vox stereo mix) UM 17
                  

Vol. 2 is Heroes And Villains Sessions Vol. 2
Parts 1&2 is Heroes And Villains Sessions, Parts 1&2
Arch. is Archaeology

I couldn´t find sources for all underlined track titles.
I must have made some mistakes in my list, please correct them. If you all help we have a complete Smile outtakes list at some point!
                  

[changeng]

outstanding work, Paul!!!

If anyone else can help with this endeavor, please do !!!

[Paul2010]

Here is un upgraded list:

Disc 1:                  
1. H&V Verse (studio setup - oscillator query)                  Parts 1&2
2. H&V verse (rehearsal)                  Vol. 2 / Parts 1&2
3. H&V verse (take 1)                  Vol. 2
4. H&V verse (takes 2 & 3)                  
5. H&V verse (take 4)                  Vol. 2
6. H&V verse (instrumental stereo)                  Archaeology
7. H&V verse (instrumental mono mix)                  (I think) GV Box Set
8. H&V verse (backing vocal overdub)                  Vol. 2
9. H&V verse (acetate Feb 10 1967 lead vox)                  Vol. 2
EXTRA   H&V verse (Vocal overdub stereo session)               Archaeology (d1 t19)
10. H&V verse (1st vocal overdub)                  UM 17 / Vol. 2
11. H&V verse (2nd vocal overdub)                  UM 17 / Vol. 2
12. H&V verse (3rd vocal overdub)                  UM 17 / Vol. 2
13. H&V verse (4th vocal overdub)                  UM 17 / Vol. 2
14. H&V verse (5th vocal overdub)                  UM 17 / Vol. 2
15. H&V verse (mono mix attempt 1)                  UM 17   
16. H&V verse (mono mix attempt 2)                  UM 17   
17. H&V verse (Mix session)                  Vol. 2   
18. H&V verse (mono mix attempt 3)                  UM 17   
19. H&V verse (test edit 1)                  Vol. 2   
20. H&V verse (test edit 2)                  Vol.2   
21. H&V In the Cantina (session part 1)                  There are rehearsals on Parts 1&2, and takes 12-15 on Archaeology in best quality, but much longer on Parts 1&2   
22. H&V In the Cantina (session part 2)                     
23. H&V In the Cantina (session part 3)                     
24. H&V In the Cantina (take 4)                  Vol. 2   
25. H&V In the Cantina (voc overdub mono)                  UM 17   
26. H&V In the Cantina (voc overdub mono with laughs)                  Parts 1&2   
27. H&V In the Cantina (stereo)                  Archaeology   
28. H&V Soul Made Beautiful (session)                  Parts 1&2   
29. H&V Sunny Down Snuff (backing vox session)                  Parts 1&2, Arch. (better quailty)   
30. H&V Sunny Down Snuff                  Archaeology?   
31. H&V Sunny Down Snuff (stereo)                  Archaeology?
32. H&V Hold On (take 9 piano track)                  I can only find take 8, which is on Vol. 2
33. H&V Gee (session)                  Multiple sources: Archaeology, Vol. 2, Parts 1&2
34. H&V Gee (mix session)                  Parts 1&2?
35. H&V Part 2 variations                  Vol. 2 (Mono)
36. H&V Part 2 variations (stereo)                  Archaeology
37. H&V Part 2 variations                  Vol. 2 (Mono)
38. H&V Part 2 variations (stereo)                  Archaeology
39. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (session part 1)                  Untill now I found sessions on Parts 1&2 and on Archaeology (d1 t27+28).
Track 28 has a slight variation at the end ("it's dum") but otherwise track 27 and 28 are only sound quality upgrades over the Parts 1&2.
40. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (session part 2)                  
41. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (final stereo)                  Parts 1&2?
42. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (final mono)                  Vol. 2, track 16?
43. H&V Do alot                  Archaeology
44. H&V Tag (takes 1 & 2)                  UM 17
45. H&V Tag (takes 4 –                   UM 17
46. H&V Tag (takes 14 & 15)                  UM 17
47. H&V Tag (vox reverb fx mono mix)                  UM 17
48. H&V Tag (alternate vox)                  
49. H&V Tag (vox stereo mix)                  UM 17

I didn't pay attention to lossless/lossy, just which versions sound the best. As you see there are still some tracks i didn't find in my Smile collection.
They are:

4. H&V verse (takes 2 & 3)   
23. H&V In the Cantina (session part 3) - I found two sources of sessions, maybe I am missing something?
40. H&V dit dit dit hereoes and villains (session part 2)   - I found two sources, but one is longer and the other is higher quality audio.
Track 28 (Archaeology) has a slight variation at the end ("it's dum") but otherwise track 27 and 28 are only sound quality upgrades over the Parts 1&2. Maybe that scounts as two parts of sessions, otherwise I am missing something.
48. H&V Tag (alternate vox)   - I didn't find this one.

Tomorrow I'll try to complete disc 2.
Thanks for helping,
Paul

[obscurereference]

Hi Paul,
Did you ever get any further with this? I think if you can figure out disc 2 and get all the H&Vs sessions worked out the rest will be much easier!

I'm interested because I've set up my own playlist of every smile recording I can find - in chronological order just to make things more difficult! It's surprisingly listenable, and makes you realise just how much is out there already when you put it all together.

It's by no means definitive - it's constantly being tweaked when I spot duplicates or something which is in the wrong order, but I'd be happy to offer my help if you need any.

I do have an old post from a smile thread on the 'record room' messageboard (which doesn't seem to exist any more), where someone lists the circulating sessions and what releases they appear on. It seems to pre-date the H&V sessions 2 boot, but I still found it really useful. I can PM you the text of that if you don't already have it (or post it here).

Rob

[changeng]

WHEW !!!!

Brilliant - thanks for all that!!!  Can't wait to see what's actually NEW on this upcoming thing!

[Jason]

Keep in mind, a lot of the dates here most likely will change once the box set comes out and we have time to go over everything on it. A lot of the Heroes dates are most likely wrong.

[SloopJohnB]

I had been looking for such a list for a very long time. I don't really care about the dates, I just want to know what-can-be-found-where. Thanks a lot for this. 

[rogerlancelot]

Fantastic! I wish I knew where those "unbooted" tracks could be found though. I've been wanting to make a compilation for my car rides to work and back. I have everything else that is listed.

[rogerlancelot]

Regarding "Good Vibrations" sessions, is there anything not on SOT UM Vol. 15 worth noting?

[obscurereference]

Hugh,
I thought no, but recently I've found the 'SMiLE - just the facts' document at http://www.alphastudio.com/recordroom/

According to that there are a few unique GV tracks on the 'heroes and vibrations' boot. I've not checked them yet though.

Rob

[The Shift]

Phenomenal stuff here -  voluminous thanks to Paul 2010, The Real Beach Boy, Dar.ren and all who have compiled/helped compile these lists … the kind of thing I always wanted to do but never got around to doing.

[UK_Surf]

Big Bag of Vegetables track List:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,4765.60.html

[Jason]

Big Bag of Vegetables track List:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,4765.60.html

Everything there is accounted for in my list.

[Paul2010]

Hi The Real Beach Boy, is everything from the actual BBOV tracklist in your list, or everything from the 12 CD "The Smile Sessions" tracklist earlier in the thread? I think the latter is a more complete.
Thanks,
Paul

[Jason]

Yes on both counts. A lot of those tracks on the 12 CD set are duplicates, fakes, fan edits, or not Smile sessions.

[The Heartical Don]

Phenomenal stuff here -  voluminous thanks to Paul 2010, The Real Beach Boy, Dar.ren and all who have compiled/helped compile these lists … the kind of thing I always wanted to do but never got around to doing.

Same here. If this ain't fandom, my name is Wally Wilson.