Now that smile is being released..

[Les P]

Lifehouse is a pretentious concept.

It may be, but any album that would have included "Won't Get Fooled Again", " Pure & Easy", "Baba O'Reilly", "Join Together", "Greyhound Girl", and "Relay", would have been f***ing incredible, regardless of how much a "pretentious concept" it is.

It was actually gonna have Sister Disco and Who Are You on it too lol.

I'm betting that was later on, not in 1971.

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

Lifehouse Chronicles features demos of both songs.

[Les P]

Lifehouse Chronicles features demos of both songs.

I don't have LC...when were they demoed/written?  I always assumed they were written closer to 1978.

[Les P]

what do you think will be the album to take it's place as the most famous unreleased album of all times..I  want to throw in Jan Berry's version of "filet of soul","get back" (with original mixes/concept) or "carnival of light" (both by the Beatles) as contenders..any thoughts?

Not the most famous, but I'd love to see "The 'Can't Wait Too Long' Sessions."

[roll plymouth rock]

Lifehouse Chronicles features demos of both songs.

I don't have LC...when were they demoed/written?  I always assumed they were written closer to 1978.

they were intended to be a part of the original tracklisting, the who version of lifehouse 1971.

[roll plymouth rock]

How about the following. Bearing in mind you could probably start a decent sized thread on unreleased Neil Young albums......

Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Human Highway

Yeah I'm pretty excited for the unreleased albums that will (eventually) be released as a part of Archives Vol. 2

"Four unreleased albums from this period are being rebuilt and will be available in the NYA Special Release Series. Chrome Dreams, Homegrown and Oceanside-Countryside are the three unreleased studio albums. Also from this period is the unreleased Odeon-Budokan live recording produced by David Briggs and Tim Mulligan. These albums initially will be released in vinyl from analog masters as they originally were created for that format."

[Les P]

Lifehouse Chronicles features demos of both songs.

I don't have LC...when were they demoed/written?  I always assumed they were written closer to 1978.

they were intended to be a part of the original tracklisting, the who version of lifehouse 1971.

OK, thanks.  But I thought "Who Are You" was written after an altercation with some punk rockers...or does the demo have different lyrics?

[Dead Parrot]

I'm fairly sure they were written for a later attempt (of which there were a few) at completing Lifehouse circa 1977, and were not part of the original album as conceived in 1970/71.

FWIW, here's a tracklisting, based on the order Pete put them in on Lifehouse Chronicles

"Teenage Wasteland" (Lifehouse Chronicles)[3]
"Going Mobile" (Who's Next)
"Baba O'Riley" (Who's Next)
"Time Is Passing" (Who Came First) (recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Love Ain't for Keeping" (Who's Next)
"Bargain" (Who's Next)
"Too Much of Anything" (Odds & Sods) (recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Music Must Change" (Who Are You)
"Greyhound Girl" (Live at Lyon) (Believed to have been recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Mary" (Scoop)[3] (Recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Behind Blue Eyes" (Who's Next)
"Baba O'Riley (Instrumental)" (Lifehouse Chronicles)[3]
"Sister Disco'" (Who Are You)
"I Don't Even Know Myself" (Rarities Volume II)
"Put the Money Down" (Odds & Sods)
"Pure and Easy" (Who Came First) (Recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Getting in Tune" (Who's Next)
"Let's See Action" (Who Came First) (Recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Slip Kid" (The Who by Numbers)
"Relay" (Hooligans)
"Who Are You" (Who Are You)
"Join Together" (Hooligans)
"Won't Get Fooled Again" (Who's Next)
"The Song Is Over" (Who's Next)

[Ganz Allein]

they were intended to be a part of the original tracklisting, the who version of lifehouse 1971.

I'm fairly sure they were written for a later attempt (of which there were a few) at completing Lifehouse circa 1977, and were not part of the original album as conceived in 1970/71.

I think we got the better deal anyway with "Who's Next." It's concise and rockin'.  IMHO, the full "Pure & Easy" would've been a much better choice than "Love Ain't for Keeping," but "Join Together" and "Relay" are of lesser quality than the rest of the songs that made the final cut.

[SMiLE Brian]

they were intended to be a part of the original tracklisting, the who version of lifehouse 1971.

I'm fairly sure they were written for a later attempt (of which there were a few) at completing Lifehouse circa 1977, and were not part of the original album as conceived in 1970/71.

I think we got the better deal anyway with "Who's Next." It's concise and rockin'.  IMHO, "Join Together" and "Relay" are of lesser quality than the songs that made the final cut.

Who's next is the anti-Smiley Smile in terms of public reception.

[Les P]

I'm fairly sure they were written for a later attempt (of which there were a few) at completing Lifehouse circa 1977, and were not part of the original album as conceived in 1970/71.

FWIW, here's a tracklisting, based on the order Pete put them in on Lifehouse Chronicles

"Teenage Wasteland" (Lifehouse Chronicles)[3]
"Going Mobile" (Who's Next)
"Baba O'Riley" (Who's Next)
"Time Is Passing" (Who Came First) (recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Love Ain't for Keeping" (Who's Next)
"Bargain" (Who's Next)
"Too Much of Anything" (Odds & Sods) (recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Music Must Change" (Who Are You)
"Greyhound Girl" (Live at Lyon) (Believed to have been recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Mary" (Scoop)[3] (Recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Behind Blue Eyes" (Who's Next)
"Baba O'Riley (Instrumental)" (Lifehouse Chronicles)[3]
"Sister Disco'" (Who Are You)
"I Don't Even Know Myself" (Rarities Volume II)
"Put the Money Down" (Odds & Sods)
"Pure and Easy" (Who Came First) (Recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Getting in Tune" (Who's Next)
"Let's See Action" (Who Came First) (Recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Slip Kid" (The Who by Numbers)
"Relay" (Hooligans)
"Who Are You" (Who Are You)
"Join Together" (Hooligans)
"Won't Get Fooled Again" (Who's Next)
"The Song Is Over" (Who's Next)

This is more my understanding too.  I just checked copyrights and "Sister Disco" and "Who Are You" were copyrighted 1978 (not a guarantee they weren't written much earlier, but if they had been intended for 1971 Lifehouse I think they would have an earlier copyright).  A Who version of "Mary" has never turned up...kind of a Who holy grail for me as I find the Townshend demo very haunting.  In subsequent performances he plays it acoustically, and I wonder if The Who would have made it sound more like "Behind Blue Eyes." 

[Les P]

they were intended to be a part of the original tracklisting, the who version of lifehouse 1971.

I'm fairly sure they were written for a later attempt (of which there were a few) at completing Lifehouse circa 1977, and were not part of the original album as conceived in 1970/71.

I think we got the better deal anyway with "Who's Next." It's concise and rockin'.  IMHO, the full "Pure & Easy" would've been a much better choice than "Love Ain't for Keeping," but "Join Together" and "Relay" are of lesser quality than the rest of the songs that made the final cut.

In the original "Odds and Sods" liner notes, even Townshend expresses surprise that "Pure & Easy" didn't make it on the album. 

[punkinhead]

what do you think will be the album to take it's place as the most famous unreleased album of all times..I  want to throw in Jan Berry's version of "filet of soul","get back" (with original mixes/concept) or "carnival of light" (both by the Beatles) as contenders..any thoughts?

Carnival of Light was to be an album?
I thought it was just a song.

From what AGD has said, it's nothing to write home about

[OneEar/OneEye]

but "Join Together" and "Relay" are of lesser quality than the rest of the songs that made the final cut.

Join Together is one of my all time favorite Who tunes.  It and Pure and Easy would have been nice additions to Who's Next, but it's kcikin' album as it is too.  An incredible leap for them sonically/production wise - must have blown minds at the time.  

[FatherOfTheMan Sr101]

I'm fairly sure they were written for a later attempt (of which there were a few) at completing Lifehouse circa 1977, and were not part of the original album as conceived in 1970/71.

FWIW, here's a tracklisting, based on the order Pete put them in on Lifehouse Chronicles

"Teenage Wasteland" (Lifehouse Chronicles)[3]
"Going Mobile" (Who's Next)
"Baba O'Riley" (Who's Next)
"Time Is Passing" (Who Came First) (recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Love Ain't for Keeping" (Who's Next)
"Bargain" (Who's Next)
"Too Much of Anything" (Odds & Sods) (recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Music Must Change" (Who Are You)
"Greyhound Girl" (Live at Lyon) (Believed to have been recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Mary" (Scoop)[3] (Recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Behind Blue Eyes" (Who's Next)
"Baba O'Riley (Instrumental)" (Lifehouse Chronicles)[3]
"Sister Disco'" (Who Are You)
"I Don't Even Know Myself" (Rarities Volume II)
"Put the Money Down" (Odds & Sods)
"Pure and Easy" (Who Came First) (Recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Getting in Tune" (Who's Next)
"Let's See Action" (Who Came First) (Recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Slip Kid" (The Who by Numbers)
"Relay" (Hooligans)
"Who Are You" (Who Are You)
"Join Together" (Hooligans)
"Won't Get Fooled Again" (Who's Next)
"The Song Is Over" (Who's Next)

This is more my understanding too.  I just checked copyrights and "Sister Disco" and "Who Are You" were copyrighted 1978 (not a guarantee they weren't written much earlier, but if they had been intended for 1971 Lifehouse I think they would have an earlier copyright).  A Who version of "Mary" has never turned up...kind of a Who holy grail for me as I find the Townshend demo very haunting.  In subsequent performances he plays it acoustically, and I wonder if The Who would have made it sound more like "Behind Blue Eyes." 

Mary, Pete's Solo Who Are You (Better, IMO) and Teenage Wasteland (NOT BABA O' RILEY) Make the set worth every penny.

[Dead Parrot]

  A Who version of "Mary" has never turned up...kind of a Who holy grail for me as I find the Townshend demo very haunting. 

I seem to remember reading something about a tape of the version of "Mary" by The Who showing up, but the tape being so damaged as to be unusable.

[Les P]

  A Who version of "Mary" has never turned up...kind of a Who holy grail for me as I find the Townshend demo very haunting. 

I seem to remember reading something about a tape of the version of "Mary" by The Who showing up, but the tape being so damaged as to be unusable.

I've read that too, but always have hoped maybe a rough mix cassette would show up under Pete's sink.  I guess not just the Beach Boys have had a hard time keeping their tape archives intact.

[ghost]

From what AGD has said, it's nothing to write home about

dear mom and pop

it's me punkinhead. college is going good i can drink many beers before vomiting now. mY grAdess ar GooD. i miss my pad n the places ive known. kiss the dog for me.

plank

[sockittome]

The Beach Boys - Smile

My reasoning? It was never finished. Therefore it's unreleased. We're getting a box set of the sessions. Period.

Exactly.  It amuses me just how much people are over-scrutinizing this release.  No matter how well they put these fragments together, there will still be noticeable holes were vocals should have been.  I think there well be more than a few people who walk away from this not completely satisfied.

And technically speaking, SMiLE did see an official release back in 2004...

No incorrect BWPS was released.

In the words of George Carlin: "Are we gonna go through this sh*t again?"

[Alex]

Whn needs Lifehouse when we already have The Who Sell Out?

[Jay]

Lifehouse Chronicles features demos of both songs.

I don't have LC...when were they demoed/written?  I always assumed they were written closer to 1978.

they were intended to be a part of the original tracklisting, the who version of lifehouse 1971.

No they weren't. That was from another attempt at Lifehouse several years later, with some newly written material.

[Magic Transistor Radio]

Pharoah the Great recorded 4300 BC. But the tapes were destroyed in the Red Sea collapse in pursuit of the Israelites.

[roll plymouth rock]

Whn needs Lifehouse when we already have The Who Sell Out?

That's like saying why do we need Pet Sounds when we have Beach Boys Party?

[ghost]

Why do we need that pretentious heap of overproduction anyway when just as much tender emotion is found in places on Party and just as much youthful enthusiastic idealism.

[roll plymouth rock]

Why do we need that pretentious heap of overproduction anyway when just as much tender emotion is found in places on Party and just as much youthful enthusiastic idealism.

Because popular recording artists need to continue making records in order to sustain their career.