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Does Brian have special mono mixes?
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If Brian only hears with his left ear, how does he ever listen back to any of his music mixed in stereo? yes, I've read that he goes from speaker to speaker etc as one would to try and get a grasp of it, but he must know that what he's hearing is nothing like what others are with more capable hearing in both ears. So how does he approve of mixes? Does he not care about copies for HIMSELF? How can Brian - if he would ever want to - put on one of his albums (even just to check something out for a second, etc) and hear it satisfactorily when it's in stereo?
This leads me to another important topic: Brian's RocknRoll album. Something he learned from Phil Spector (aka God). Is no one else excited? Forget Smile, that's old news. Let's do something new, Pleasure Island!!!
It should be in mono, though. If he releases a stereo album influenced by Phil Specto... well, what's the point? Why does everything have to be catered for the most careless listener? Mono is a fine art. I think that if Brian was given CONTROL to produce PLEASURE ISLAND with complete dictatorial command and MIX IT HIMSELF INTO MONO then we would get something of very high quality. Could it not be music's move to stereo that alienated our beloved Brian? If mono ruled into the 90s and beyond - would we be still hearing genius ever newly created singles?
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I would love for him to do a mono album. Everything is defacto stereo today, it's almost experimental by today's standards to do a record in real full-blown mono. Didn't he have an operation at some point to let him hear out of both ears? To be honest I have no idea about his deafness, it seems the story changes every time I hear it.
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I recall hearing the operation story, but to this day he still says he can't hear out of his left ear, so I'd imagine there wasn't much success. Shame
I'd guess, at best, Mr.Wilson gets collapsed stereo versions of his newer stuff. Would be cool to imagine people finishing up the record and being like, "Alright Brian, your turn!" and they let him sit in the room and mix it himself/for himself, but alas, I doubt it happens.
Also, wat @ implying stereo is for the "careless listener". Stereo is for the listener with two ears. 5.1 is apparently for the listener with 5.1 ears.
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Quote from: Sgt. SMiLE on August 04, 2011, 06:33:06 PM
I would love for him to do a mono album. Everything is defacto stereo today, it's almost experimental by today's standards to do a record in real full-blown mono. Didn't he have an operation at some point to let him hear out of both ears? To be honest I have no idea about his deafness, it seems the story changes every time I hear it.
You must be reading some very badly-researched stories then. Yes, Brian had an operation in the late sixties: didn't work, as Carl stated in the 1971
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articles. The cause is what varies - Audree said it was a damaged ninth nerve, thus congenital, Brian's stated that it was A) a kid down the block with a baseball bat... B) Murry with a 2x4/slap/baseball bat... C) "I don't know, it's always been like this". Take your pick.
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Where did I get the story of Murray saving Brian's life by grabbing him by his ear as he was falling from a moving train, this damaging the ear??
Am I imaging this or did I really read it someplace?
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Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on August 04, 2011, 09:49:24 PM
Quote from: Sgt. SMiLE on August 04, 2011, 06:33:06 PM
I would love for him to do a mono album. Everything is defacto stereo today, it's almost experimental by today's standards to do a record in real full-blown mono. Didn't he have an operation at some point to let him hear out of both ears? To be honest I have no idea about his deafness, it seems the story changes every time I hear it.
You must be reading some very badly-researched stories then. Yes, Brian had an operation in the late sixties: didn't work, as Carl stated in the 1971
Rolling Stone
articles. The cause is what varies - Audree said it was a damaged ninth nerve, thus congenital, Brian's stated that it was A) a kid down the block with a baseball bat... B) Murry with a 2x4/slap/baseball bat... C) "I don't know, it's always been like this". Take your pick.
Have Carnie or Wendy ever had hearing problems? If they haven't, then I guess we can rule out a congenital defect. Unless there are any other relatives who have had similar problems.
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Quote from: Jay on August 04, 2011, 10:59:37 PM
Quote from: Andrew G. Doe on August 04, 2011, 09:49:24 PM
Quote from: Sgt. SMiLE on August 04, 2011, 06:33:06 PM
I would love for him to do a mono album. Everything is defacto stereo today, it's almost experimental by today's standards to do a record in real full-blown mono. Didn't he have an operation at some point to let him hear out of both ears? To be honest I have no idea about his deafness, it seems the story changes every time I hear it.
You must be reading some very badly-researched stories then. Yes, Brian had an operation in the late sixties: didn't work, as Carl stated in the 1971
Rolling Stone
articles. The cause is what varies - Audree said it was a damaged ninth nerve, thus congenital, Brian's stated that it was A) a kid down the block with a baseball bat... B) Murry with a 2x4/slap/baseball bat... C) "I don't know, it's always been like this". Take your pick.
Have Carnie or Wendy ever had hearing problems? If they haven't, then I guess we can rule out a congenital defect. Unless there are any other relatives who have had similar problems.
Just cause none of his family members don't have anything similar doesn't mean that it wasn't necessarily.... You know? I don't know how to properly word that sentence right now.
But yeah, stuff can happen "in utero." Lots of people smoked, drank and were around people who smoked & drank back then. Not that people today are any better off.... Who knows what went down in Audree's uterus!
Not saying anything did, but sometimes babies are born with things. Chromosomes & DNA are pretty crazy things. But so are 2x4s. We'll knever know, pointless to spackulate.
THe important thing is that Brian's hearing loss did not at all affect his abilities to write music.
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Quote from: stack-o-tracks on August 04, 2011, 11:17:40 PM
THe important thing is that Brian's hearing loss did not at all affect his abilities to write music.
Or did it?!
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Quote from: stack-o-tracks on August 04, 2011, 11:17:40 PM
THe important thing is that Brian's hearing loss did not at all affect his abilities to write music.
Or did it?!
It did.
Since Brian can only hear with his left ear, it is the right hemisphere of his brain interpreting the sound. Brian is always in Wonderland.
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I have on occasion covered one of my ears when listening to music. It is very difficult to get a "full picture", so to speak, of a song with only one ear. Which makes what Brian accomplished in the 1960's even more incredible.
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If you've never had proper hearing in one ear, your other ear compensates enough that most of the time you don't notice it. Covering a good ear for a few minutes (or hours even) is not going to give you the same perspective that Brian has on hearing things. I imagine his only real loss is the inability to locate the direction of sound as well as someone with two good ears (you can still determine distance because your brain works out the differences in volume and echo). I'm sure Brian can enjoy music by sitting in a room with the two stereo speakers positioned close together and hear relatively the same nuances as those of us to two functioning ears. It is true that if Brian was to determine the placement of instruments and vocals in a stereo field it would have to be more of an intellectual process for him.
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Quote from: Jay on August 04, 2011, 11:50:27 PM
I have on occasion covered one of my ears when listening to music. It is very difficult to get a "full picture", so to speak, of a song with only one ear. Which makes what Brian accomplished in the 1960's even more incredible.
Nonsense man, it's easy. Years ago someone here like H suggested listening to Brian's mono mixes from ONE SPEAKER (god) with your RIGHT EAR COVERED and left ear facing the speaker, or even up against it as i've read of Brian doing.
I play the following albums somewhat obsessively: Today, Summer Days, Smiley, Honey and all through a 25 watt marshall guitar amp. I am god.
They sound amazing this way. One Speaker, Phil Spector, GOD. I don't know if that makes sense to you. But I get into Brian's headspace, or try to, when I hear his music. Like the single 1967 Herozenvillains is very trippy to me. The organ - a fucking BALDWIN ENDORSEMENT OR NOT - is so expressive and has a sound texture that seems to exist outside the speaker very substantially. imagine being brian playing it loud! all day! or mike love leaning on it or next to him picking up the vibration! man, it's a crazy thought. can someone tell me whether there's existent tapes with audible content of one Brian Wilson doing nought but playing the piano, or organ, for a long time, forming songs in mid air? i've heard the sessions with brother dennis, but want to hear - for example, the holy grail of such thoughts - brian conceiving smile piece by piece with van dyke at the piano together. f*** the wrecking crew, i find BRIAN & VAN DYKE PARKS alone together more interesting. just imagine Brian coming upon the music to the fade in Cabinessence at the piano. VDP must have got giddy. Brian sounds like he's on something on that Herozenvillains piano demo, is it known what?
Who else thinks Brian's 70s TV appearances were PURE GENIUS?! Come on, they are inimitable masterpieces. His Sloop John Be is amazing! He seems to enjoy it almost falling apart with his rickety strange child in a crib playing honky tonk sound, but then he's back again pounding out that left hand bass line like it's nothing! just like hey guys did you miss me, alright lets pull this fukkin thing back together eh? and then he's back again, and you can feel in just that, all the power that made the beach boys. that spark, that when nicely lit, charms your whole mind upon hearing and seeing. Brian is God. Love You is the new Gospel. The Eternal Message Is: SMiLE, Remember the Day, Remember the Night, The Children Know The Way, Child is Father of the Man, Our Love Is Here To Stay, S'Wonderful, Till I Die. We don't pray, we get our groove on to Funky Pretty, Roller Skating Child, Let Us Go On This Way, MONA.
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Quote from: ghost on August 04, 2011, 11:38:56 PM
Since Brian can only hear with his left ear, it is the right hemisphere of his brain interpreting the sound. Brian is always in Wonderland.
That's not how the brain works - or maybe you were joking
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Quote from: ghost on August 05, 2011, 08:30:12 AM
Quote from: Jay on August 04, 2011, 11:50:27 PM
I have on occasion covered one of my ears when listening to music. It is very difficult to get a "full picture", so to speak, of a song with only one ear. Which makes what Brian accomplished in the 1960's even more incredible.
Nonsense man, it's easy. Years ago someone here like H suggested listening to Brian's mono mixes from ONE SPEAKER (god) with your RIGHT EAR COVERED and left ear facing the speaker, or even up against it as i've read of Brian doing.
I play the following albums somewhat obsessively: Today, Summer Days, Smiley, Honey and all through a 25 watt marshall guitar amp. I am god.
They sound amazing this way. One Speaker, Phil Spector, GOD. I don't know if that makes sense to you. But I get into Brian's headspace, or try to, when I hear his music. Like the single 1967 Herozenvillains is very trippy to me. The organ - a friggin' BALDWIN ENDORSEMENT OR NOT - is so expressive and has a sound texture that seems to exist outside the speaker very substantially. imagine being brian playing it loud! all day! or mike love leaning on it or next to him picking up the vibration! man, it's a crazy thought. can someone tell me whether there's existent tapes with audible content of one Brian Wilson doing nought but playing the piano, or organ, for a long time, forming songs in mid air? i've heard the sessions with brother dennis, but want to hear - for example, the holy grail of such thoughts - brian conceiving smile piece by piece with van dyke at the piano together. f*ck the wrecking crew, i find BRIAN & VAN DYKE PARKS alone together more interesting. just imagine Brian coming upon the music to the fade in Cabinessence at the piano. VDP must have got giddy. Brian sounds like he's on something on that Herozenvillains piano demo, is it known what?
Who else thinks Brian's 70s TV appearances were PURE GENIUS?! Come on, they are inimitable masterpieces. His Sloop John Be is amazing! He seems to enjoy it almost falling apart with his rickety strange child in a crib playing honky tonk sound, but then he's back again pounding out that left hand bass line like it's nothing! just like hey guys did you miss me, alright lets pull this fukkin thing back together eh? and then he's back again, and you can feel in just that, all the power that made the beach boys. that spark, that when nicely lit, charms your whole mind upon hearing and seeing. Brian is God. Love You is the new Gospel. The Eternal Message Is: SMiLE, Remember the Day, Remember the Night, The Children Know The Way, Child is Father of the Man, Our Love Is Here To Stay, S'Wonderful, Till I Die. We don't pray, we get our groove on to Funky Pretty, Roller Skating Child, Let Us Go On This Way, MONA.
have you tried unplugging yourself at the socket and turning yourself back on again?
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Do you mean - have I died the meditative death & transcended duality through the vortex into the void singularity of infinitely inwardly potentialized space consciousness?
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Do you mean - have I died the meditative death & transcended duality through the vortex into the void singularity of infinitely inwardly potentialized space consciousness?
no - I mean you seem to be suffering a serious case of postarrhea. And some of those posts are extremely loose
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hearing works in the brain just as much as the ear(s) ... brian can "comprehend" stereo but i doubt he finds any specific enjoyment from it ... it's pointless for him.
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hearing works in the brain just as much as the ear(s) ... brian can "comprehend" stereo but i doubt he finds any specific enjoyment from it ... it's pointless for him.
Yes, we certainly know that Brian can recognize the previously unheard clarity of the PET SOUNDS (and other) stereo remixes which is probably why he has requested, when possible, to include the stereo remix version on subsequent compilations in place of the original mono. While there is the potential for him to realize that this would be make the collections more accessible to modern listeners, I suspect he's not as enamored of the original mono mixes as much as some of his fans.
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I am pretty severely hearing impaired in the right ear. Not deaf. But so bad that if a person is sitting to my right at a restaurant , I nearly have to turn my head 90 degrees in their directin to understand what they are saying. But, I can listen to stereo by adjusting the speakers so the right ear is very close to one speaker (2-3 feet), and the other is across the room. Also, on adjustable headphones I can set the left side low and the right side on high volume and turn up the overall volume on the amp getting a decent taste of stereo albiet not what I heard when my ears were much younger and functioned normally. So , what I am geting at, is that maybe Brian is not deaf in one ear and hears well enough to "get" stereo with some effort.
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I am pretty severely hearing impaired in the right ear. Not deaf. But so bad that if a person is sitting to my right at a restaurant , I nearly have to turn my head 90 degrees in their directin to understand what they are saying. But, I can listen to stereo by adjusting the speakers so the right ear is very close to one speaker (2-3 feet), and the other is across the room. Also, on adjustable headphones I can set the left side low and the right side on high volume and turn up the overall volume on the amp getting a decent taste of stereo albiet not what I heard when my ears were much younger and functioned normally. So , what I am geting at, is that maybe Brian is not deaf in one ear and hears well enough to "get" stereo with some effort.
If this were so, why would Brian admit to having to rely on Carl and others to mix? He could have been making adequate stereo mixes himself.
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I am pretty severely hearing impaired in the right ear. Not deaf. But so bad that if a person is sitting to my right at a restaurant , I nearly have to turn my head 90 degrees in their directin to understand what they are saying. But, I can listen to stereo by adjusting the speakers so the right ear is very close to one speaker (2-3 feet), and the other is across the room. Also, on adjustable headphones I can set the left side low and the right side on high volume and turn up the overall volume on the amp getting a decent taste of stereo albiet not what I heard when my ears were much younger and functioned normally. So , what I am geting at, is that maybe Brian is not deaf in one ear and hears well enough to "get" stereo with some effort.
Brian has, at best, 4-6% hearing in his right ear: I'd call that functionally deaf. Try this: put something on the stereo then turn the balance to almost entirely hard left (but not quite). That's what he hears.
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I am pretty severely hearing impaired in the right ear. Not deaf. But so bad that if a person is sitting to my right at a restaurant , I nearly have to turn my head 90 degrees in their directin to understand what they are saying. But, I can listen to stereo by adjusting the speakers so the right ear is very close to one speaker (2-3 feet), and the other is across the room. Also, on adjustable headphones I can set the left side low and the right side on high volume and turn up the overall volume on the amp getting a decent taste of stereo albiet not what I heard when my ears were much younger and functioned normally. So , what I am geting at, is that maybe Brian is not deaf in one ear and hears well enough to "get" stereo with some effort.
Brian has, at best, 4-6% hearing in his right ear: I'd call that functionally deaf. Try this: put something on the stereo then turn the balance to almost entirely hard left (but not quite). That's what he hears.
Mine may be a bit better than 6 % but not by much. On the other hand I'm not producing records, only listening.
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