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Quote from: Peter Ames Carlin on February 17, 2006, 09:30:50 PM
Run: Mike had a lot to say about Brian's 'Smile,' but we didn't talk specifically about the tour. He was more interested in the album itself, and certain legal rights and privileges that might or might not have been violated.
I'm excited...
Can't wait to read your book....!!
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Very much looking forward to this book!
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What did Mike say about the SMiLE-music? Not the legal issues or the history, but the music itself?
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Get the book!
Be surprised!
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Yes, I agree with Ian, buy the book. And not just for yourself, but also for friends, relatives, strangers, etc.
But regarding Mike's views on "Smile," they seemed to be evolving. For instance he wanted to make clear that just because he didn't understand VDP's lyrics didn't mean he didn't like them, or that they shouldn't be used. It was an interesting interpretation, and one that made VDP gape in wonder when I repeated it to him. But you know how these things go.
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But regarding Mike's views on "Smile," they seemed to be evolving. For instance he wanted to make clear that just because he didn't understand VDP's lyrics didn't mean he didn't like them, or that they shouldn't be used. It was an interesting interpretation, and one that made VDP gape in wonder when I repeated it to him. But you know how these things go.
Well, that'll make Cam Mott very happy!!
Can't wait for the book!
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Sounds great, i'll be buying.
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Don´t worry, I will definately buy it.
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Well, that'll make Cam Mott very happy!!
Can't wait for the book!
I'm sure a wider view and better understanding will make us all happy. I'm looking forward to it too.
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buy the book
That phrase sounds familiar...all our resident authors use it.
Seriously, this sounds like the most interesting and illuminating Beach Boys related book ever.
Peter, apologies if this has been asked before, but how did you get into the Beach Boys universe? Were just a long-time fan, or were you already involved with earlier projects?
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Andreas: Mostly a longtime fan. I came in with the "Endless Summer" crew in '74, got deeply into the BW myth/legend in '76 and stuck around ever since. Books, bootlegs, lots of shows, the whole thing. I met Dennis on the street in Seattle in '76, and the other guys (sans Brian) at a show I was reviewing in '87. Then I was writing a profile of Brian for People in '98 and got to hang out with him for a day or two, and that really started my serious writing about him. You can check out americanheritage.com (search for brian wilson) to see a recent example.
In the last decade or so I started thinking about Brian and the BB's in terms of American cultural history, both regarding their work (which I think echoes/extends the more dreamy, utopian aspects of the American character) and their lives (which reiterates the less pleasant facets). The tension between these two themes is what makes the music so indelible, I think. And what makes them, and particularly Brian, such fascinating and powerful characters.
Naturally, the story of "Smile" became the real pivot point to the whole story. It's all there, from the transcendence offered in the music to the fascination/anger it always seems to evoke.
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It sounds like you have a great perspective on things. Definitely looking forward to the book!
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Hi Peter. Any thoughts on Andy Paley, and how he fits into - and was subsequently ejected from - Brian's world? My observation is that he was really good for Brian, both musically and personally, and his loss is nobody's gain. It's a piece of the puzzle that, well, puzzles me!
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I really look forward to this book as well. I was wondering, what you thought of Van Dyke and which Beach Boy was the coolest? Did you talk to Bruce? He seems to take one side one day and one the other.
Also, does it go to the present day?
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Susan: Andy is a cool guy and he and Brian did a lot of good work together. I'm particularly fond of the '90s stuff, and never really understood why it didn't come out. Why they went their separate ways kind of depends on whom you ask. It's like so many BW relationships, from VDP to David Sandler to Joe Thomas and beyond. Eventually they run out of steam and that's it. Brian's pretty good at not coming off like the heavy in these situations. But it sure does happen a lot in his life, doesn' it?
Forces: I love VDP, he's a terrific guy. Bruce I met briefly in '87, interviewed on the phone in '98 and then talked on the phone with/emailed a bunch enroute to his deciding not to do an invu this summer. I'm not sure what to think of him at this point, so I'll deflect that. Which of the BB's is the coolest? Hmm. Living or dead? Does David Marks count? or Blondie and Ricky? Or whoever is in the group right now?
Narrative-wise, the book goes up to the Fall of '05.
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Peter,
I noticed on the Smile Shop where you said a lot of your conclusions are "interpretive" . . . which is always a necessary thing, to a degree, in writing history or biography.
But it'll be interesting to see how the masses jump on you when the book comes out. Writing books based on people's memories is a dicey game.
I suspect you'll get hammered from both sides . . . Brian vs. Not . . . but it all comes with the territory (as you well know).
I'm really looking forward to reading this one. Great to have new Beach Boys scholarship in the pipeline.
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I really am very much looking forward to reading the book.
Peter, did Hal and Carol (were those the only two Crew you interviewed?) contribute anything new, beyond the usual accolades along the lines of what we read in the PS box set notes? I'd love to have a conversation with Hal, man I can't even tell you. Oh, hey, your publisher isn't interested in any additional scholarly beach-boys related books, is it?
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Hi Mark: Sure, I expect people from every given side to find stuff that they disagree with. The Brian world positively bristles with partisans with strong opinions, yes? Including the observers. (see also: the armed militias patrolling the which 'smile' songs were supposed to be in what order debate) Naturally I want everyone to love, like or at least respect my version of events. But is that realistic? I dunno. I hope so.
AEijtzsche: I don't know if I got any serious revelations from Hal and Carol. A few interesting tidbits, for sure. And when it comes to selling beach boys books....you're on your own. Took me years (literally) to get mine going.
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I'm sure I won't have any problems getting a huge buzz going for "
Santa Ana Winds: The Danelectro Bass Technique of Al Jardine
The untold heartbreak, trouble, and ultimate triumph of the under-rated Beach Boy: An info-novel"
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I still like the Monster In A USA Hat name.
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Waiting for a Bus -- the Life of Al Jardine.
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Man, I tell ya, in all seriousness, I would love to write Al's biography. He's my favourite Beach Boys and I have a feeling he's got a compelling story to tell.
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He would just get sued if he tried to tell it to anyone.
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Man, I tell ya, in all seriousness, I would love to write Al's biography. He's my favourite Beach Boys and I have a feeling he's got a compelling story to tell.
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